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Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

Boo Radley said:
I wouldn't carry a knife for that reason either, but a gun accident has more potential to do greater damage.
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No. The Mayor knows of one man who was whittling on the front porch of a friend in Idaho. Who managaed to cut his femoral artery while alone on a country doorstep. He was found dead and bled.

Can't get more greater damage than dead.
 
ric27 said:
Take a deep breath Turtle, LOL. Its just a discussion

Keep training.
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My job is to shed light and not to master.

My 13 year old son can outshoot most police officers in this country with a Glock 17 (he averages about 445 on the "Glock indoor league" event) and a Smith and Wesson 38 caliber Model 10 (ie what used to be the standard police weapon for a century. Why. because he shoots about 10,000 rounds a year
 
Mayor Snorkum said:
No. The Mayor knows of one man who was whittling on the front porch of a friend in Idaho. Who managaed to cut his femoral artery while alone on a country doorstep. He was found dead and bled.

Can't get more greater damage than dead.
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true, and a guy I met was flat on his back in the nam after he was thrown from his door gunner position when his hughey crash landed and Charlie was about to stick him with a bayonet on the end of an SKS and this guy lashed out with his Randall and charlie lost both legs faster than a NY second and was dead before the gunner was able to finish the job with a throat slash
 
Boo Radley said:
I agree. But this seems quite proper to me.
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No.

Proper gun regulation is:

If you're an ex-con and you're caught with a gun, you're going back to jail.

If you're anyone and you use a firearm in the commission of a crime, even when it is not fired, it's armed assault, and you're going to jail.

Owning a weapon should not be subject to any requirements whatsoever.

The carrying of a weapon should be restricted only in the most precise of conditions, such as no guns in a fireworks factory. Bad idea, that.

When I think is explained as to why I think, it is a little more. I disagree that we have to wait for the event. Now, it will happen sooner or later, but there is no need to wait for it. We can have foresight.
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So, you're aware of the Bureau of Pre-Crime, and that it's being established today under Obama?

Is there an Amendment wending it's way through the States allowing Pre-Crime to be considered in prosecutions?
 
ric27 said:
Take a deep breath Turtle, LOL. Its just a discussion

Keep training.
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...a discussion in which you threw out a completely idiotic, and easily refuted claim. You should expect to be called on it.
 
TurtleDude said:
My job is to shed light and not to master.

My 13 year old son can outshoot most police officers in this country with a Glock 17 (he averages about 445 on the "Glock indoor league" event) and a Smith and Wesson 38 caliber Model 10 (ie what used to be the standard police weapon for a century. Why. because he shoots about 10,000 rounds a year
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Excellent. The two rounds, double tap, controlled pairs etc... is also a good training tool for him.

Bullets don't always work the way you would like. Multiple hits up close are a must. He doesn't need to just hit. He needs to hit faster than the BG does, and there is a good chance, the BG will hit at close range. So the question becomes "How fast can he hit?"

I can't tell you how exactly how many rounds it will take to put the BG down in his next future gun fight. I can tell you it will most likely be more than one. Make him train for it.
 
ric27 said:
Excellent. The two rounds, double tap, controlled pairs etc... is also a good training tool for him.

Bullets don't always work the way you would like. Multiple hits up close are a must. He doesn't need to just hit. He needs to hit faster than the BG does, and there is a good chance, the BG will hit at close range. So the question becomes "How fast can he hit?"

I can't tell you how exactly how many rounds it will take to put the BG down in his next future gun fight. I can tell you it will most likely be more than one. Make him train for it.
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i have shot someone in a mugging

I have studied over 5000 shootings-In a prior legal job I represented an insurance company that covered several of the largest law enforcement agencies in my area. I handled cases involving a cop who shot a guy who worked with him fatally-while he claimed it was self defense (the other guy flicked a knife at him as a joke) the evidence suggested the cop had two guns and had unloaded one and got confused and fired the loaded revolver accidentally

I have forgotten more about fatal and near fatal shootings than 99 percent of the cops in this country
 
It is a good idea, not only criminals may have guns.
 
ric27 said:
lol...gun safety course on what? God help them if they ever have to draw and fire under stress.

I think it was 2 weeks ago...I watched a guy fire 50-60 rounds at a "bad guy" target 5 yds away, and only place about half the rounds on paper, and only 12 on the actual "bad guy"... I heard him comment to his buddy "yup, he's dead" (I wanted to shout at him "so are a whole lotta inocent bystanders")... I then watched him reload, holster his trusty sidearm, and swagger out of the range.

Make no mistake, I fully support the shall issue, but I would like to see some kind of qualification standard.
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Most of the civilian gun-packers I know are well-trained and quite accurate. I would know, I've spent a lot of time working with and training such people. Actually I'd go so far as to say that the average CCW citizen probably isn't any worse at gunhandling than the average cop. (I'd know that too, being an ex-cop.)

I've taken women who could barely hit the broadside of a barn even if you give them 5 minutes to aim; given them an hour or two of training, and watched them put 15 rounds into an 8" group in the middle of the K-zone at 15 yards. Learning to use a gun reasonably well isn't THAT hard. Some people act as if it takes a 4 year degree to use a gun in self-defense.... um no. An afternoon of good training can put you ahead of 90% of the BG's, especially if it includes awareness/crime prevention and tactical judgement.





ric27 said:
Its simple logic...

When the Constitution and its Amendments were written, firearms training was something most people got from their fathers. Practice was afforded by hunting and self defense.

If you want to search for an historical precedent, for several hundred years, when the longbow was a crucial arm in England's armies, archery butts were set up in every village and the men were required to practice and compete.

I don't think we'll ever get everyone to agree on the training issue.


To me....no training time - no Glock 9
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Sure, I'd like for everyone to take some basic training in gun safety and gun handling, if they're going to own a gun. Goodness knows I've seen enough allegedly-trained cops who were crappy unsafe gun handlers. The problem with this is that if you make it LAW, you give the government another "choke point" to restrict or potentially eliminate gun ownership for the masses. If the government gets to "set" the amount of training, how much it will cost, what kind of tests you must pass, and so on... they can make it damned hard for Joe Average to own a gun. Certain jurisdictions like D.C. and Chicago have made it plain they'd jump on any chance to keep citizens disarmed, and I'd prefer not to trust government with that much power over a vital Constitutional right.
 
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ric27 said:
To me....no training time - no Glock 9
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You cannot require people to pass a test before they can exercise a right - any right, not just the right to arms - without violating the Constitution.
 
PzKfW IVe said:
You cannot require people to pass a test before they can exercise a right - any right, not just the right to arms - without violating the Constitution.
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There are plenty of people I'd love to see pass a test demonstrating they could form a coherent thought before they were able to exercise their right to free speech...but, alas... :mrgreen:
 
theangryamerican said:
There are plenty of people I'd love to see pass a test demonstrating they could form a coherent thought before they were able to exercise their right to free speech...but, alas... :mrgreen:
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Obama would not have won then. Remember that idiot who brayed that now that Obama was president she would no longer have to worry about paying for gas or her mortgage
 
I'll have to disagree with the governor on this because as a college student myself I don't feel any safer than I was before when I WAS on campus in fact I know feel less save because now you don't know when you'll get shot by an stupid college kid welding a gun or that went "accidentally went off in the holster."


Turtle is wrong again! My Aunt and I work with criminals so does
My dad in fact is a fire Marshall and is a police officer and in fact they both don't carry their guns all the time.. Only when they think its necessary like for example when someone called my home saying "he found my cellphone" after I had forgotten my purse at the water burger near Galveston, Texas they stole the items in question from my purse idiotically thought they could rob him and me again but lets just say my daddy took care of the person who stole from his little girl. I love my dad ^^.
 
TurtleDude said:
Obama would not have won then. Remember that idiot who brayed that now that Obama was president she would no longer have to worry about paying for gas or her mortgage
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Um>..........< There are idiots like that on the right side as well Turtle lets just say I'm not like that idiotic woman. I understand the need for guns but I also think that their should be some controls on it. Like they should have a test and at least know not to do this type of idiotic move.




And apparently a small gun was shot in this one.


 



Also another reason in these two episodes in the second video it takes about at the :16 mark its gets good.

 
RyrineaHaruno said:
Um>..........< There are idiots like that on the right side as well Turtle lets just say I'm not like that idiotic woman. I understand the need for guns but I also think that their should be some controls on it. Like they should have a test and at least know not to do this type of idiotic move.

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In the first video the "kid" is obviously under 21 and should not have the weapon and is committing a felony by handling it.

RyrineaHaruno said:
And apparently a small gun was shot in this one.

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Ummm... That is an airsoft gun. It shoots a 6mm plastic bb that is used in a game much like paintball.

Nuff said. :roll:
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
I'll have to disagree with the governor on this because as a college student myself I don't feel any safer than I was before when I WAS on campus in fact I know feel less save because now you don't know when you'll get shot by an stupid college kid welding a gun or that went "accidentally went off in the holster."


Turtle is wrong again! My Aunt and I work with criminals so does
My dad in fact is a fire Marshall and is a police officer and in fact they both don't carry their guns all the time.. Only when they think its necessary like for example when someone called my home saying "he found my cellphone" after I had forgotten my purse at the water burger near Galveston, Texas they stole the items in question from my purse idiotically thought they could rob him and me again but lets just say my daddy took care of the person who stole from his little girl. I love my dad ^^.
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How am i wrong just because of some silly story about one person? when your dad retires is he going to be gun free

and I never said anything about carrying
 
speaking of youtube

lets disarm DEA TFOs

 
RyrineaHaruno said:
Um>..........< There are idiots like that on the right side as well Turtle lets just say I'm not like that idiotic woman. I understand the need for guns but I also think that their should be some controls on it. Like they should have a test and at least know not to do this type of idiotic move.
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Because -some- people are stupid, everyone's rights should be curtailed?
That's your argument?
You sure?
Because, you know, it can be applied elsewhere pretty easily, and once you agree to the premise, there's no going back...
 
theangryamerican said:
...a discussion in which you threw out a completely idiotic, and easily refuted claim. You should expect to be called on it.
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I stand by 100% on what I posted and keep training :)
 
ric27 said:
I stand by 100% on what I posted and keep training :)
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Then, by all means, please speak to the story I told about my gun accident. Would you consider that to be a major accident?
 
theangryamerican said:
Then, by all means, please speak to the story I told about my gun accident. Would you consider that to be a major accident?
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by far the most common injuries caused by firing a weapon is improper grip on the gun

from people who bruise their shoulder by not properly holding a shotgun to people who get abraded by the slide on their semi auto pistol creasing the top of their hand or smacking a finger, firing ranges are witness to such injuries on a daily basis
 
TurtleDude said:
by far the most common injuries caused by firing a weapon is improper grip on the gun

from people who bruise their shoulder by not properly holding a shotgun to people who get abraded by the slide on their semi auto pistol creasing the top of their hand or smacking a finger, firing ranges are witness to such injuries on a daily basis
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I received a bloody nose once while firing a gun - stout loads from a S&W 629; the concussion popped a vessel.
Does that count?
 
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