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Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

Removable Mind said:
TD...your tortoise shell gets sooooo illuminous when you get all hot and bothered...

Brady ninnes? How many people to you care about has ever been shot in the head?

DUDE...I live in Texas. Texas babies are born with a license to carry a concealed weapon.
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i don't get mad very easily. that's why I can carry a weapon all sorts of places. Sarah Brady is a twit-my uncle was KIA in Okinawa and neither my father nor my Aunt hated Japanese and certainly not Mitsubishi. trying to punish gun owners for the criminal insanity of a nutcase is pathetic. Brady is a power hungry meglomaniac btw. I know, I took her apart piece by piece when she decided to show up at our City's Council meeting to push some ninny gun ban.

she uses her husband's pathetic condition as a way to fame and fortune. we knew that the minute her "ultimate goal" was accomplished (the background check that would have not STOPPED John Hinckley) she would not stop her jihad or give up her spotlight.
 
The Texas legislature through this action offers no additional help to emotionally or mentally troubled students beyond letting them carry firearms on campus. Brilliant!
 
Chappy said:
The Texas legislature through this action offers no additional help to emotionally or mentally troubled students beyond letting them carry firearms on campus. Brilliant!
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I guess you really don't understand that you can only carry if you have a license and nutjobs who want to kill others have proven time and time again that they don't obey laws against murder or gun restrictions; remember Charles Whitman Jr? he didn't have a license

same with the guy at VA tech

why do you want active shooters to have a safe working environment?
 
Chappy said:
The Texas legislature through this action offers no additional help to emotionally or mentally troubled students beyond letting them carry firearms on campus. Brilliant!
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Hilarious-I believe all of those who want to disarm honest people or who are afraid of guns should post such signs. They should not feel tainted by living under the protection of the umbrella people like us provide to them. since crooks don't know whose home is armed, this creates a deterrence even against breaking into unarmed homes. So let the Chappy's and the others who whine about armed citizens let all the potential robbers, rapists and arsonists know that those righteous hoplophobes proudly declare they are not using the fear of death to keep the misunderstood miscreants out of their homes.
 
CCW laws, or even decriminalizing/legalizing CCW without a permit are not the problem.

Stupid people are and stupid people will continue to be stupid, regardless of what laws there are, what programs are in place, etc.
 
Chappy said:
The Texas legislature through this action offers no additional help to emotionally or mentally troubled students beyond letting them carry firearms on campus. Brilliant!
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You do realize that "mentally troubled" people can't legally get a hand gun, right?
 
Chappy said:
Someone should have told Jared Lee Loughner that.
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Oh, that crazed **** :shock: That banana twinkie would have found another way, and that's thing, no law out there will prevent someone from killing another person. Murder, attempted murder and the like are already illegal and that didn't stop Jared Lee aka potato head. Only the law abiding follow laws, so you are only affecting the law abiding by placing restrictions on weapons.
 
DashingAmerican said:
You do realize that "mentally troubled" people can't legally get a hand gun, right?
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Obviously you aren't from Texas. Ever hear of illegal street vendors who sell to ex-cons, gangbangers, etc, etc... Being crazy doesn't prevent them from reading directions on about a bazillion websites that show how to make a hand gun. :comp: :shoot
 
I thought that joke of a state seceded last year? If not, can't we vote them off the continent?
 
upsideguy said:
I thought that joke of a state seceded last year? If not, can't we vote them off the continent?
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Upside...that's not nice. You need to direct that crack at an asscrack by the name of Rick Perry. Ever hear of the term "wacknut"? Perry is the poster child for wacknut. There is an intrinsic level of ignorance that a person would have to have to even subscribe to the idea of seceding, which really goes beyond political ignorance. Perry is below that level.

Most people in Texas have better sense. Texas couldn't exist as an independent nation, despite it's vast amount of diverse resources.
 
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It would be one thing if the people voted for it, but they didn't.
 
Removable Mind said:
Obviously you aren't from Texas. Ever hear of illegal street vendors who sell to ex-cons, gangbangers, etc, etc... Being crazy doesn't prevent them from reading directions on about a bazillion websites that show how to make a hand gun. :comp: :shoot
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So... because criminals will always have access to guns, you support imposing restrictions that will only impact the law-abiding? That makes perfect sense...
 
Ikari said:
The reality of the situation is actually allowing concealed carry on campus is a non-effect. You will not statistically see any increase or decrease in crime nor would you often find that one could stop the campus killer before he kills a lot of folk.
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What about the stories you hear about guns being discovered in lockers or falling out of backpacks? Admittedly, it seems unlikely in most cases that the students were planning on going on a rampage (more likely they just wanted to show off to their friends or something...). However, with laws like this in effect, nobody would be able to question that kid. And, frankly, I do think a desire to bring a gun to class deserves some questioning.
 
Krhazy said:
What about the stories you hear about guns being discovered in lockers or falling out of backpacks? Admittedly, it seems unlikely in most cases that the students were planning on going on a rampage (more likely they just wanted to show off to their friends or something...). However, with laws like this in effect, nobody would be able to question that kid. And, frankly, I do think a desire to bring a gun to class deserves some questioning.
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The stories you hear are just that... stories.


Many people carry guns everywhere they are legally able to do so. Do they all deserve questioning as well?
 
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What I find interesting is the fact that we didn't have a campus gun ban to shoot down anyway (pun intended). Much ado about nada.
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, you know I disagree. Just had law enforcement here speaking on what a stupid idea that was. But I'm sure they know little about the matter.

Do we want to do this again? ;) :coffeepap
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And it's my experience that law enforcement accomplishes little more than counting dead bodies and writing speeding tickets anyway.

When it comes to this type of violence, the police are wildly ineffective. They stop nothing.
 
upsideguy said:
I thought that joke of a state seceded last year? If not, can't we vote them off the continent?
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LOL, the bitterness of Colorado for its utter dependence on Texas never ceases to amaze. Just keep your slopes open, and we'll keep subsidizing your economy, as well as sending our developers out there to build stuff for you to work and live in.
 
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Removable Mind said:
Upside...that's not nice. You need to direct that crack at an asscrack by the name of Rick Perry. Ever hear of the term "wacknut"? Perry is the poster child for wacknut. There is an intrinsic level of ignorance that a person would have to have to even subscribe to the idea of seceding, which really goes beyond political ignorance. Perry is below that level.

Most people in Texas have better sense. Texas couldn't exist as an independent nation, despite it's vast amount of diverse resources.
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You are right. That was not nice. I should be kinder to the less fortunate.

Sorry, by Texas is not my kind of state (though I will acknowledge that one man's trash is another's treasure, and it does have some redeeming qualities to some). I, for one, do not like its politics nor its climate. It just is generally not my favorite place to visit (though it is a more interesting place than many), yet I must go there reasonably often. Rick Perry's in your face silliness last year (combined with is whining this year as he had to pay the political price for his silliness) just put Texas from something I can live with to an outright irritant to me. The quiet, arrogant fat boy just became the loud, arrogant fat boy.
 
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Erod said:
LOL, the bitterness of Colorado for its utter dependence on Texas never ceases to amaze. Just keep your slopes open, and we'll keep subsidizing your economy, as well as sending our developers out there to build stuff for you to work and live in.
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Don't let upsideguy speak for the entire state. Denver is the red-headed step child of Colorado with their silly draconian attempts to usurp state gun laws. In fact, Denver is a bit like the proverbial sewage system for the rest of Colorado. All the refuse and biological waste in the state seems to flow that direction. ;)

I happen to like Texas. :mrgreen:
 
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Erod said:
In Texas, we don't have many home invasions. Criminals know there's a very likely chance that they encounter a homeowner loaded for bear, and with our Castle laws, the shooter won't even be bothered with a court appearance.
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"Home invasion" isn't a crime per se. As such the FBI doesn't keep track of it exactly. But Texas isn't near the bottom of burglary, robbery nor violent crime.
source:FBI UCR - Crime in the United States 2009
Of course, this doesn't mean that Texas wouldn't be even worse if not for w/e gun laws--just that not "many home invasions" may not be all that much.
Code: 
RANKED BY BURGLARY
State				Violent crime	Murder	Forcible rape	Robbery	AggrAssault	Property crime	Burglary	Larceny-theft	Motor vehicle theft
ARKANSAS	Per100k		517.7		6.2		47.3	89.4		374.8	3,773.7		1,203.1		2,359.3		211.2
NORTH CAROLINA	Per100k		404.3		5.3		24.6	126.1		248.4	3,668.1		1,149.5		2,305.2		213.5
NEW MEXICO	Per100k		619.0		8.7		52.6	93.1		464.7	3,735.8		1,095.8		2,317.8		322.2
ALABAMA		Per100k		449.8		6.9		31.9	132.9		278.1	3,772.4		1,037.2		2,499.9		235.3
OKLAHOMA	Per100k		501.1		6.2		41.5	90.7		362.7	3,573.8		1,030.0		2,261.7		282.2
LOUISIANA	Per100k		620.0		11.8		30.3	135.9		442.0	3,794.6		1,029.5		2,504.3		260.8
TENNESSEE	Per100k		667.7		7.3		31.7	153.2		475.5	3,754.1		1,010.9		2,505.4		237.8
GEORGIA		Per100k		426.1		5.8		23.4	148.6		248.3	3,666.6		1,000.7		2,328.7		337.2
SOUTH CAROLINA	Per100k		670.8		6.3		35.3	125.7		503.4	3,888.6		992.8		2,598.4		297.4
MISSISSIPPI	Per100k		281.3		6.4		31.8	100.4		142.6	2,953.3		987.9		1,782.5		183.0
FLORIDA		Per100k		612.5		5.5		29.7	166.7		410.6	3,840.8		981.1		2,588.6		271.1
TEXAS		Per100k		490.9		5.4		33.4	153.5		298.7	4,015.5		969.4		2,737.2		308.9
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RANKED BY ROBBERY
State		Population	Violent crime	Murder 	Forcible rape	Robbery	AggrvAssault	Property crime	Burglary	Larceny-theft	Motor vehicle theft
DC		per100k		1,345.9		24.0	25.0	731.9	565.0	4,745.4		616.4		3,206.5		922.5
NEVADA		per100k		702.2		5.9	38.6	227.8	429.8	3,055.6		832.1		1,755.1		468.4
MARYLAND	per100k		589.9		7.7	20.3	210.7	351.3	3,200.7		649.7		2,206.7		344.2
DELAWARE	per100k		636.6		4.6	38.2	188.8	405.0	3,349.6		783.2		2,351.0		215.5
ILLINOIS2, 3 	per100k		497.2		6.0	30.2	177.6	283.4	2,736.9		603.0		1,927.3		206.6
CALIFORNIA	per100k		472.0		5.3	23.6	173.4	269.7	2,731.5		622.6		1,665.1		443.8
FLORIDA		per100k		612.5		5.5	29.7	166.7	410.6	3,840.8		981.1		2,588.6		271.1
OHIO		per100k		332.1		4.5	34.8	154.1	138.7	3,270.9		902.9		2,169.8		198.3
PUERTO RICO	per100k		264.5		22.5	1.6	153.6	86.7	1,410.0		466.8		770.9		172.2
TEXAS		per100k		490.9		5.4	33.4	153.5	298.7	4,015.5		969.4		2,737.2		308.9
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RANKED BY VIOLENT CRIME
State		Population	Violent crime	Murder	Forcible rape	Robbery	AggrvAssault	Property crime	Burglary	Larceny-theft	Motor vehicle theft
DC		per100k		1,345.9		24.0	25.0		731.9	565.0		4,745.4		616.4		3,206.5		922.5
NEVADA		per100k		702.2		5.9	38.6		227.8	429.8		3,055.6		832.1		1,755.1		468.4
SOUTH CAROLINA	per100k		670.8		6.3	35.3		125.7	503.4		3,888.6		992.8		2,598.4		297.4
TENNESSEE	per100k		667.7		7.3	31.7		153.2	475.5		3,754.1		1,010.9		2,505.4		237.8
DELAWARE	per100k		636.6		4.6	38.2		188.8	405.0		3,349.6		783.2		2,351.0		215.5
ALASKA		per100k		633.0		3.1	73.3		93.8	462.7		2,946.0		515.0		2,189.2		241.8
LOUISIANA	per100k		620.0		11.8	30.3		135.9	442.0		3,794.6		1,029.5		2,504.3		260.8
NEW MEXICO	per100k		619.0		8.7	52.6		93.1	464.7		3,735.8		1,095.8		2,317.8		322.2
FLORIDA		per100k		612.5		5.5	29.7		166.7	410.6		3,840.8		981.1		2,588.6		271.1
MARYLAND	per100k		589.9		7.7	20.3		210.7	351.3		3,200.7		649.7		2,206.7		344.2
ARKANSAS	per100k		517.7		6.2	47.3		89.4	374.8		3,773.7		1,203.1		2,359.3		211.2
OKLAHOMA	per100k		501.1		6.2	41.5		90.7	362.7		3,573.8		1,030.0		2,261.7		282.2
ILLINOIS2, 3 	per100k		497.2		6.0	30.2		177.6	283.4		2,736.9		603.0		1,927.3		206.6
MICHIGAN4	per100k		497.0		6.3	45.3		123.7	321.7		2,837.8		760.5		1,782.6		294.7
MISSOURI	per100k		491.8		6.4	26.8		124.5	334.1		3,385.3		731.3		2,362.1		291.9
TEXAS		per100k		490.9		5.4	33.4		153.5	298.7		4,015.5		969.4		2,737.2		308.9
 
theangryamerican said:
Don't let upsideguy speak for the entire state. Denver is the red-headed step child of Colorado with their silly draconian attempts to usurp state gun laws. In fact, Denver is a bit like the proverbial sewage system for the rest of Colorado. All the refuse and biological waste in the state seems to flow that direction. ;)

I happen to like Texas. :mrgreen:
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And I happen to love Colorado, too. Just funnin' with him after his ridiculous post a few earlier.

Denver is much like Austin in the regard you speak. Ironic in that all these wealthy, conservative business people build this amazing city in a beautiful setting, then a bunch of bike-riding, one-bath-a-week liberals gravitate there just to bitch in unison.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
"Home invasion" isn't a crime per se. As such the FBI doesn't keep track of it exactly. But Texas isn't near the bottom of burglary, robbery nor violent crime.
source:FBI UCR - Crime in the United States 2009
Of course, this doesn't mean that Texas wouldn't be even worse if not for w/e gun laws--just that not "many home invasions" may not be all that much.
Code: 
RANKED BY BURGLARY
State				Violent crime	Murder	Forcible rape	Robbery	AggrAssault	Property crime	Burglary	Larceny-theft	Motor vehicle theft
ARKANSAS	Per100k		517.7		6.2		47.3	89.4		374.8	3,773.7		1,203.1		2,359.3		211.2
NORTH CAROLINA	Per100k		404.3		5.3		24.6	126.1		248.4	3,668.1		1,149.5		2,305.2		213.5
NEW MEXICO	Per100k		619.0		8.7		52.6	93.1		464.7	3,735.8		1,095.8		2,317.8		322.2
ALABAMA		Per100k		449.8		6.9		31.9	132.9		278.1	3,772.4		1,037.2		2,499.9		235.3
OKLAHOMA	Per100k		501.1		6.2		41.5	90.7		362.7	3,573.8		1,030.0		2,261.7		282.2
LOUISIANA	Per100k		620.0		11.8		30.3	135.9		442.0	3,794.6		1,029.5		2,504.3		260.8
TENNESSEE	Per100k		667.7		7.3		31.7	153.2		475.5	3,754.1		1,010.9		2,505.4		237.8
GEORGIA		Per100k		426.1		5.8		23.4	148.6		248.3	3,666.6		1,000.7		2,328.7		337.2
SOUTH CAROLINA	Per100k		670.8		6.3		35.3	125.7		503.4	3,888.6		992.8		2,598.4		297.4
MISSISSIPPI	Per100k		281.3		6.4		31.8	100.4		142.6	2,953.3		987.9		1,782.5		183.0
FLORIDA		Per100k		612.5		5.5		29.7	166.7		410.6	3,840.8		981.1		2,588.6		271.1
TEXAS		Per100k		490.9		5.4		33.4	153.5		298.7	4,015.5		969.4		2,737.2		308.9
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RANKED BY ROBBERY
State		Population	Violent crime	Murder 	Forcible rape	Robbery	AggrvAssault	Property crime	Burglary	Larceny-theft	Motor vehicle theft
DC		per100k		1,345.9		24.0	25.0	731.9	565.0	4,745.4		616.4		3,206.5		922.5
NEVADA		per100k		702.2		5.9	38.6	227.8	429.8	3,055.6		832.1		1,755.1		468.4
MARYLAND	per100k		589.9		7.7	20.3	210.7	351.3	3,200.7		649.7		2,206.7		344.2
DELAWARE	per100k		636.6		4.6	38.2	188.8	405.0	3,349.6		783.2		2,351.0		215.5
ILLINOIS2, 3 	per100k		497.2		6.0	30.2	177.6	283.4	2,736.9		603.0		1,927.3		206.6
CALIFORNIA	per100k		472.0		5.3	23.6	173.4	269.7	2,731.5		622.6		1,665.1		443.8
FLORIDA		per100k		612.5		5.5	29.7	166.7	410.6	3,840.8		981.1		2,588.6		271.1
OHIO		per100k		332.1		4.5	34.8	154.1	138.7	3,270.9		902.9		2,169.8		198.3
PUERTO RICO	per100k		264.5		22.5	1.6	153.6	86.7	1,410.0		466.8		770.9		172.2
TEXAS		per100k		490.9		5.4	33.4	153.5	298.7	4,015.5		969.4		2,737.2		308.9
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RANKED BY VIOLENT CRIME
State		Population	Violent crime	Murder	Forcible rape	Robbery	AggrvAssault	Property crime	Burglary	Larceny-theft	Motor vehicle theft
DC		per100k		1,345.9		24.0	25.0		731.9	565.0		4,745.4		616.4		3,206.5		922.5
NEVADA		per100k		702.2		5.9	38.6		227.8	429.8		3,055.6		832.1		1,755.1		468.4
SOUTH CAROLINA	per100k		670.8		6.3	35.3		125.7	503.4		3,888.6		992.8		2,598.4		297.4
TENNESSEE	per100k		667.7		7.3	31.7		153.2	475.5		3,754.1		1,010.9		2,505.4		237.8
DELAWARE	per100k		636.6		4.6	38.2		188.8	405.0		3,349.6		783.2		2,351.0		215.5
ALASKA		per100k		633.0		3.1	73.3		93.8	462.7		2,946.0		515.0		2,189.2		241.8
LOUISIANA	per100k		620.0		11.8	30.3		135.9	442.0		3,794.6		1,029.5		2,504.3		260.8
NEW MEXICO	per100k		619.0		8.7	52.6		93.1	464.7		3,735.8		1,095.8		2,317.8		322.2
FLORIDA		per100k		612.5		5.5	29.7		166.7	410.6		3,840.8		981.1		2,588.6		271.1
MARYLAND	per100k		589.9		7.7	20.3		210.7	351.3		3,200.7		649.7		2,206.7		344.2
ARKANSAS	per100k		517.7		6.2	47.3		89.4	374.8		3,773.7		1,203.1		2,359.3		211.2
OKLAHOMA	per100k		501.1		6.2	41.5		90.7	362.7		3,573.8		1,030.0		2,261.7		282.2
ILLINOIS2, 3 	per100k		497.2		6.0	30.2		177.6	283.4		2,736.9		603.0		1,927.3		206.6
MICHIGAN4	per100k		497.0		6.3	45.3		123.7	321.7		2,837.8		760.5		1,782.6		294.7
MISSOURI	per100k		491.8		6.4	26.8		124.5	334.1		3,385.3		731.3		2,362.1		291.9
TEXAS		per100k		490.9		5.4	33.4		153.5	298.7		4,015.5		969.4		2,737.2		308.9
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Keep in mind that Texas is a HUGE state, and parts of it skew the numbers for us in almost every regard. We never rank well educationally, but not because we don't have good schools. We have a HUGE population of non-English-speaking students, particularly in the South, that don't test well at all, which brings our averages down tremendously.

Likewise, crime in this state is very heavy along our borders and in certain areas within our cities. There are very concentrated areas of crime, moreso than most states.
 
theangryamerican said:
So... because criminals will always have access to guns, you support imposing restrictions that will only impact the law-abiding? That makes perfect sense...
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Sorry EROD, don't mean to step on all of your statistics...which are pretty cool by the way...but I encourage all to read them.

Now, back to "TheAngryAmerican's post...

Wow...for some reason...my post to your reply to this just disappeared so it turns up later..I'll try to get close to my point as possible as the previous in my following comments.

I'm a gun owner. That being said....

I'm confused by your comment about me supporting or imposing restrictions of any kind. In fact, I've never mentioned anything close to supporting or suggesting restricting guns.

You might want to re-read my comment to a poster who basically said, "Selling guns to the mentally ill is illegal" and I also assumed that the poster was alluding to: Since it's illegal, therefore the mentally ill can't get access to a gun.

I just stated the fact that guns are bought and sold daily under the radar of authorities. It's been like that for eons, and will continue to be like that. And it doesn't really matter if a person is mentally ill or a criminal...or whoever wants a gun...can buy one via an illegal street vendor.

I don't hunt. So, I might not own a gun if it weren't for criminals, mentally impaired who might just go off the deep end...and of course governments.

Welp, that's it...thanks.
 
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