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Obama administration fights to save healthcare law

Anyone opposing AffordableCare is either a stooge for the plutocrats or a dupe.

that's an awful lotta dupes

remember november---most house seats since 1938, most state reps and leg's in history, 10 gubs, 6 senators...

We need this law.

why do so many want out?

Helping Americans Keep the Coverage They Have and Promoting Transparency | HHS.gov

why does ANTHONY WEINER wanna waiver?

Anthony Weiner: Waiver might work for New York - Kate Nocera - POLITICO.com

for NEW YORK?

do you KNOW mr weiner?
 
Where did anyone claim that the healthcare bill would instantly save businesses lots of money?

PolitiFact | Obama said health care reform will reduce the cost of health care

"We agree on reforms that will finally reduce the costs of health care," Obama said. "Families will save on their premiums; businesses that will see their costs rise if we do nothing will save money now and in the future. This plan will strengthen Medicare and extend the life of that program. And because it gets rid of the waste and inefficiencies in our health care system, this will be the largest deficit reduction plan in over a decade.

"Now, I just want to repeat this because there's so much misinformation about the cost issue here. You talk to every health care economist out there and they will tell you that whatever ideas are -- whatever ideas exist in terms of bending the cost curve and starting to reduce costs for families, businesses, and government, those elements are in this bill."
 
The only (sic) worse than this reform would have been to have done nothing, which is really what those opposing in congress largely wanted.

you don't know PAUL RYAN either?

wow
 
tone it down to something more like what s actually being proposed.

what's actually being proposed?

what imagination are you inhabiting?

the only thing being proposed is ryan

and repeal

and weiner wants a waiver

whereya been?

LOL!

i think you're confusing virtual with real

buy a tv
 
you're just gonna have to live it, libs, love it

it's all yours, obamacare

Oh puh-lease....If you look at the numbers, there are as many hard core liberals that are against the healthcare plan as there are conservatives. The main problem with the healthcare law is the Republican ideas that were put into it as an attempted compromise. I agree that the law should be changed....but take the 45% that like the healthcare law and add in the 20% or so liberals that oppose it because of the lack of a healthy public option and you have 2/3rds of the country in support of it.
Scrap the Republican plan to require people to buy insurance, add in the public option and I'd support it.
 
there are as many hard core liberals that are against the healthcare plan as there are conservatives

then no one likes it

Scrap the Republican plan to require people to buy insurance, add in the public option and I'd support it

too late

obamacare is a DONE DEAL

crammed thru senate via RECONCILIATION mere days after the party was prepared to DEEM the dumb thing downstairs

with ZERO senate republicans in assent and ONE in pelosi's place, mr cao, the vietnamese seminarian from new orleans who was voted outta office

obamacare, baby, it's all blue

remember november
 
Oh puh-lease....If you look at the numbers, there are as many hard core liberals that are against the healthcare plan as there are conservatives. The main problem with the healthcare law is the Republican ideas that were put into it as an attempted compromise. I agree that the law should be changed....but take the 45% that like the healthcare law and add in the 20% or so liberals that oppose it because of the lack of a healthy public option and you have 2/3rds of the country in support of it.
Scrap the Republican plan to require people to buy insurance, add in the public option and I'd support it.

This is why many misread the statistics.
 
Obama's problem with this is that he started, and pushed the debate on a premise of not blaming, not demonizing, and talking through ideas from both sides. Since the beginning he, and his administration, has demonized, blamed, rejected ideas from across the isle, and is now through his administration is using scare tactics to obfuscate the obvious in that American's don't want this plan, don't like this plan, and want to start over and fix this constitutionally, not through heavy handed dictatorship of this plan.

j-mac
 
Obama's problem with this is that he started, and pushed the debate on a premise of not blaming, not demonizing, and talking through ideas from both sides. Since the beginning he, and his administration, has demonized, blamed, rejected ideas from across the isle, and is now through his administration is using scare tactics to obfuscate the obvious in that American's don't want this plan, don't like this plan, and want to start over and fix this constitutionally, not through heavy handed dictatorship of this plan.

j-mac

j, while I don't believe he successfully brought in the change in this area he said he would, the republicans in congress who made clearly early on that the main thing was to oppose Obama NO MATTER WHAT share the blame in this. Any kind of change in this area requires both sides actually try.
 
Who was it that said there are two liars in society, liars, and damned statistics.


j-mac

Mark Twain. And he's correct. Those who read the satistics to say the public wants the goverment to do less are lying (I say lying because they know what we all know). There's a a fairly even split. As many want the government to do more as want less.
 
j, while I don't believe he successfully brought in the change in this area he said he would, the republicans in congress who made clearly early on that the main thing was to oppose Obama NO MATTER WHAT share the blame in this. Any kind of change in this area requires both sides actually try.

Joe, God love ya! You're just plain wrong on this. Listen, this HC debate and law was crafted, pushed, and voted in the middle of the night completely by a demo majority in all three branches. The GOP was powerless to do ANYTHING to stop, change, or move it in any way. That was clear enough by how the GOP was locked out of the closed door meetings on the plan. So you can try and spin it all you want, but the truth is that all the GOP could do was cause noise.

Mark Twain. And he's correct. Those who read the satistics to say the public wants the goverment to do less are lying (I say lying because they know what we all know). There's a a fairly even split. As many want the government to do more as want less.

Well, it is true that the people today seem to want to vote themselves riches from the Treasury, to wit is a deathnell to the republic. But we don't have the leadership now to show a different course. Most of these entitlements were enacted by demo politicans, and bleeding hearts decades ago, now you are seeing that you reep what you have sown.

j-mac
 
Not wrong j. Go back and read republican comments. They didn't start out on day one locking republicans out. That occured after republicans made clear their single purpose was to oppose anything Obama did. I challenge you to back and look with nutural eyes.

And your reading of the polling is more koolaid drinking. First both parties are to blame of excessive spending. Second, this can be done more effectively if we stoped the demoizing, the misinformation and just sat down to solve the problem. It would be better for the country, but not so good for the wedge issues our politicians so need.
 
Not wrong j. Go back and read republican comments. They didn't start out on day one locking republicans out. That occured after republicans made clear their single purpose was to oppose anything Obama did. I challenge you to back and look with nutural eyes.

And your reading of the polling is more koolaid drinking. First both parties are to blame of excessive spending. Second, this can be done more effectively if we stoped the demoizing, the misinformation and just sat down to solve the problem. It would be better for the country, but not so good for the wedge issues our politicians so need.


Hey, tell that to your hero Obama, he just recently sent Sebeilus to Capital hill to testify that repubs want to kill seniors with their HC proposal in their budget proposal.

Scare tactic, demonization, and pure misinformation.....Now what?

j-mac
 
Obama's problem with this is that he started, and pushed the debate on a premise of not blaming, not demonizing, and talking through ideas from both sides. Since the beginning he, and his administration, has demonized, blamed, rejected ideas from across the isle, and is now through his administration is using scare tactics to obfuscate the obvious in that American's don't want this plan, don't like this plan, and want to start over and fix this constitutionally, not through heavy handed dictatorship of this plan.

j-mac

That's not true on any level. The reason why we got stuck with the poor Republican idea of requiring people to purchase insurance is because Obama was bending over trying to compromise with the Republicans by implementing their ideas. We should have simply stuck to our guns and pushed the public option which was a much much much better idea. The overwhelming majority of Americans want healthcare reform and the vast majority of Americans supported the public option. The problem was...a handful of bluedog democrats and the Republicans, which sides with the insurance companies....wouldn't support it.
 
Hey, tell that to your hero Obama, he just recently sent Sebeilus to Capital hill to testify that repubs want to kill seniors with their HC proposal in their budget proposal.

Scare tactic, demonization, and pure misinformation.....Now what?

j-mac

I've never claimed the politics of fear is limited to only one side. both sides use it because it works. My complaint is with us for allowing it to. You won't see me defending this comment, but I can show you folks, maybe even you (I'd have to look) defending the death panel and socialist nonsense.
 
I've never claimed the politics of fear is limited to only one side. both sides use it because it works. My complaint is with us for allowing it to. You won't see me defending this comment, but I can show you folks, maybe even you (I'd have to look) defending the death panel and socialist nonsense.


Explain to me what the panel enacted in the stimilus package that oversees treatment costs, and has the power to deny treatment is then?

j-mac
 
That's not true on any level. The reason why we got stuck with the poor Republican idea of requiring people to purchase insurance is because Obama was bending over trying to compromise with the Republicans by implementing their ideas. We should have simply stuck to our guns and pushed the public option which was a much much much better idea. The overwhelming majority of Americans want healthcare reform and the vast majority of Americans supported the public option. The problem was...a handful of bluedog democrats and the Republicans, which sides with the insurance companies....wouldn't support it.

Yes, it was so popular that they had to vote it in on a party line vote at 11:58 pm Christmas eve....Uh huh....pfft.


j-mac
 
Explain to me what the panel enacted in the stimilus package that oversees treatment costs, and has the power to deny treatment is then?

j-mac

Actually it doesn't. I linked earlier that the language specifically forbids them from doing that. Like all insurance comapnies it is set to examine effective treatment versus ineffective treatment. This is not about denying care, but making sure you pay for care that works. Your insurance company does that and more. Much more. So, it is plainly dishonest to call this a death panel. In fact, as shown repeatedly, it would likely lead to more care approved than you have now with your insurance company.
 
As many want the government to do more as want less

LOL!

that must be why the electorate so richly rewarded the party of no on tsunami tuesday---most house seats since 1938, most state reps and leg's in history, 10 gubs, 6 senators...

sure, republicans were sent to washington (and madison and richmond and albany, etc) in record numbers cuz americans want govt to do MORE

how outta touch can a 60 second submitter be
 
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Who was it that said there are two liars in society, liars, and damned statistics.


j-mac
Mark Twain. And he's correct. Those who read the satistics to say the public wants the goverment to do less are lying (I say lying because they know what we all know). There's a a fairly even split. As many want the government to do more as want less.

I believe the actual quotation is 'lies... damned lies... and statistics'.
 
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