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Two imams pulled from plane bound for North Carolina

Was Juan Williams a passenger by any chance?
 
This is terrible. They went through security what twice? And they still dont allow them to fly?
 
Dea said:
Muslim group: two imams pulled from plane bound for North Carolina - CNN.com

I understand the fear after all that has happened over the past few years. However is it necessary to pull two individuals who have passed security off a plane, because they've made some people uncomfortable?

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Obviously the pilots felt strongly enough to bring the plane back to the terminal after going out to taxi, and stand their ground. I don't know the details beyond that, nor does anyone else to my knowledge, but hats off to the pilots for having the guts to follow through on their convictions. I am sure they didn't do it on a whim.

Then the two ejected from the flight called anti-American CAIR... first thing. They can call whoever they like, but CAIR wouldn't be my first choice.

Deuce:
Ancient white ladies are not responsible for terrorism worldwide.

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A couple of imams could never intentionally cause a ruckus, right? I'm sure they were on their best airplane behaviour.

We can make that assumption, right? And we can assume a couple pilots are bigots, right?

Yes we can! Let's do it for a couple more pages.
 
ecofarm said:
A couple of imams could never intentionally cause a ruckus, right? I'm sure they were on their best airplane behaviour.

We can make that assumption, right? And we can assume a couple pilots are bigots, right?

Yes we can! Let's do it for a couple more pages.
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Well there aren't any reports of it, all the articles I've read say the blokes were well behaved, so it seems a fair assumption that the pilot was a bigot.
 
Let's assume that theyre evil cause their muslim and the pc media didnt report that they were causing a ruckus, randomly attempting to get their **** thrown off a plane on purpose.


**** NO im not going to assume that. Damn... jeeze.
 
Deuce said:
Well it could only be a couple because those are the only two black guys who wear berets in the entire country.
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Are you are kidding right? You don't know much about people in the news do you. There are many hundreds of them,and at one time there were 10,000.

Here are 6 and none of them are the ones in the other picture

The Panthers say they are not the New ones but the Media that talked about them called them that.
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Well there aren't any reports of it, all the articles I've read say the blokes were well behaved, so it seems a fair assumption that the pilot was a bigot.
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I would think (I do not know... do you) the pilots were acting on information from flight attendants, who informed the pilots, so if you want to call someone a bigot, you should redirect your aim at the flight attendant(s) being bigots or bigoted. Or?

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Councilman said:
Are you are kidding right? You don't know much about people in the news do you. There are many hundreds of them,and at one time there were 10,000.

Here are 6 and none of them are the ones in the other picture

The Panthers say they are not the New ones but the Media that talked about them called them that.
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So.... your point is you're scared of them?
 
SE102 said:
Let's assume that theyre evil cause their muslim and the pc media didnt report that they were causing a ruckus, randomly attempting to get their **** thrown off a plane on purpose.


**** NO im not going to assume that. Damn... jeeze.
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1. Who said it was random?
2. Did the media report that the pilots are bigots and thus worthy of being fired (or worse)?


I'm just sayin', check your assumptions.
 
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zimmer said:
I would think (I do not know... do you) the pilots were acting on information from flight attendants, who informed the pilots, so if you want to call someone a bigot, you should redirect your aim at the flight attendant(s) being bigots or bigoted.
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If you have a concern as a pilot or flight attendant you have every right to ensure safety. If a post earlier is correct and these guys were checked over again by your airport security people and these people were still refused their seats then I'm afraid Spud is correct.

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Or?
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Your airport security doesn't work properly - which to me is far more of a concern than two unarmed passengers being refused flight after being checked twice (especially if an enhanced check is made on the second search).
 
zimmer said:
I would think (I do not know... do you) the pilots were acting on information from flight attendants, who informed the pilots, so if you want to call someone a bigot, you should redirect your aim at the flight attendant(s) being bigots or bigoted. Or?

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Well all reports are of the pilot, after kicking the imams off the plane, wouldn't let them board again after extra security checks, so with no real reason to kick them off the plane, bigotry seems the most obvious answer on behalf of the pilot.
 
Or, they were a disturbance and it doesn't much matter if that was over-reaction or legitimate concern. We don't need a major disturbance continuing into the flight, that's obvious. Somewhere between over-reaction and legitimate concern is the truth, but the plane's undisturbed journey is the pilot's primary concern.
 
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Well all reports are of the pilot, after kicking the imams off the plane, wouldn't let them board again after extra security checks, so with no real reason to kick them off the plane, bigotry seems the most obvious answer on behalf of the pilot.
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Perhaps the US need to pick up on it's security checks. People ought to feel safe when they get on a plane. If it was bigotry and bigotry in the US has reached this level they have a real problem.
 
SE102 said:
So.... your point is you're scared of them?
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Seriously I don't mean to insult anyone.

FYI this is what we call an analogy: A comparison between two things, typically on the basis of their structure and for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
If you have a concern as a pilot or flight attendant you have every right to ensure safety. If a post earlier is correct and these guys were checked over again by your airport security people and these people were still refused their seats then I'm afraid Spud is correct.
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Well, we have had shoe bombers, underwear bombers, people passing through security with box cutters and other "dangerous materials" so that illustrates the system is not perfect. The pilots are the last line of defense for the passengers before the plane takes off.

So that kinda nukes Spud's theory now... doesn't it?

Your airport security doesn't work properly - which to me is far more of a concern than two unarmed passengers being refused flight after being checked twice (especially if an enhanced check is made on the second search).
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The pilots felt otherwise about these two passengers. See italicized above.

alexa said:
Perhaps the US need to pick up on it's security checks. People ought to feel safe when they get on a plane. If it was bigotry and bigotry in the US has reached this level they have a real problem.
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How many flights are there in the US daily? Assigning the US a bigot's label is pretty lame when you consider who has done the attacking, and the number of flights that take-off without nary an incident. "Reached this level...":roll:

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alexa said:
If it was bigotry and bigotry in the US has reached this level they have a real problem.
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Yes. You nailed it. The US as stopped allowing muslims to use airplanes.



I wish "this" was the level of bigotry in the US, and everywhere; however, the level of bigotry goes WAY BEYOND a disturbance on an airplane - everywhere in the world. Get a grip.
 
zimmer said:
Well, we have had shoe bombers, underwear bombers, people passing through security with box cutters and other "dangerous materials" so that illustrates the system is not perfect. The pilots are the last line of defense for the passengers before the plane takes off.

So that kinda nukes Spud's theory now... doesn't it?
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:lol: What did the pilot see that three security checks missed?
 
ecofarm said:
Or, they were a disturbance and it doesn't much matter if that was over-reaction or legitimate concern. We don't need a major disturbance continuing into the flight, that's obvious. Somewhere between over-reaction and legitimate concern is the truth, but the plane's undisturbed journey is the pilot's primary concern.
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Yes, and black people on the bus used to be a disturbance.

Those North Carolinians need to grow some balls.
 
spud_meister said:
:lol: What did the pilot see that three security checks missed?
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I do not know, and neither do you, but these men or women believed the plane should leave the taxi-way and return to the terminal. These pilots don't take such action for fun.

First it automatically causes a level of scrutiny by the authorities of several departments. You think they want to go through debriefings of why they made that choice? The EASY choice would have been to hope all went OK and put the bird in the air. I am 100% sure they realized the seriousness of their actions and were willing to carry through on it anyway.

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zimmer said:
I do not know, and neither do you, but these men or women believed the plane should leave the taxi-way and return to the terminal. These pilots don't take such action for fun.

First it automatically causes a level of scrutiny by the authorities of several departments. You think they want to go through debriefings of why they made that choice? The EASY choice would have been to hope all went OK and put the bird in the air. I am 100% sure they realized the seriousness of their actions and were willing to carry through on it anyway.

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Right, and considering that A) They stuck the imams on the next flight, and B) That nothing happened on that next flight, it seems to me that the pilot's fears were entirely unfounded.
 
spud_meister said:
Right, and considering that A) They stuck the imams on the next flight, and B) That nothing happened on that next flight, it seems to me that the pilot's fears were entirely unfounded.
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It just goes round n round dont it?
 
ecofarm said:
Yes. You nailed it. The US as stopped allowing muslims to use airplanes.



I wish "this" was the level of bigotry in the US, and everywhere; however, the level of bigotry goes WAY BEYOND a disturbance on an airplane - everywhere in the world. Get a grip.
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So you are saying you are a bigoted nation that no longer allows Muslims on areoplanes and you seem to find that no big thing because you also engage in even more bigotry. Not all of you yet, so there may still be hope but you are presenting a pretty sick picture of your country.
 
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