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U.S. Payrolls Grew 244,000 in April; Unemployment at 9%

My link ????

sorry, not yours. you did say your information was in line with conservative's though, and conservative's information DOES NOT state that all funds have been paid back, because they have not. we are realizing a profit because banks and other entities are paying us interest.
 
you posted that my claims were refuted. they were not, and you also posted i ran away. i did not. juvenile posturing on your part to then come back and change the questions.

My apology for claiming that you would run away, glad to see you still here now how about responding to my link that shows a profit to the taxpayers and then telling me where the money went since the deficit continues to rise after those repayments?
 
sorry, not yours. you did say your information was in line with conservative's though, and conservative's information DOES NOT state that all funds have been paid back, because they have not. we are realizing a profit because banks and other entities are paying us interest.

My link showed that the taxpayers would get a profit on the repayment of TARP funds, where did that money go?
 
My apology for claiming that you would run away, glad to see you still here now how about responding to my link that shows a profit to the taxpayers and then telling me where the money went since the deficit continues to rise after those repayments?

that's just silly. can YOU tell me where my tax dollars went? spent, of course. i didn't realize there was a separate pool of repaid tarp dollars to be spent for a specific purpose. care to explain how that works?
 
that's just silly. can YOU tell me where my tax dollars went? spent, of course. i didn't realize there was a separate pool of repaid tarp dollars to be spent for a specific purpose. care to explain how that works?

There shouldn't be a separate pool and that is the point, why hasn't the TARP repayment been used to lower the deficit? Money was spent in 2008 and here were are in 2011, where did the repayment go?
 
There shouldn't be a separate pool and that is the point, why hasn't the TARP repayment been used to lower the deficit? Money was spent in 2008 and here were are in 2011, where did the repayment go?

really coservative, how simple can you be? if the tarp dollars are being spent on what we need to spend, they are being used to lower the deficit. silly. what do you think they're doing, stealing it?
 
really coservative, how simple can you be? if the tarp dollars are being spent on what we need to spend, they are being used to lower the deficit. silly. what do you think they're doing, stealing it?

They are being used by Obama to support his spending programs and not being used to repay the loans from the taxpayers thus the deficit isn't being reduced and the deficit is worse than it should be.
 
The fact remains, Obama has spent over a trillion dollars and we have more unemployed today than when Obama took office and over 2.6 million fewer employed today than in January 2009. That isn't pretty good under any circumstances. The current debt today is 14.3 trillion or up 3.5 trillion in a little over two years and these are the results we get?

Must we rehash the same tired argument in every thread you come across?

Our national economy lost BILLIONS when the housing bubble burst. Corperate American could NOT pay its way out of ITS debt not only to its shareholders but to investors or the U.S. Treasury (federal loan guarantees). The ONLY entity with the financial clout to bail out the banks (and assist the auto industry) was the U.S. Treasury itself. No matter how many times I or others tell you this or provide you the evidence, you still refuse to believe that Pres. Obama came into office with THE LARGEST DEBT AND DEFICIT OF ANY PRESIDENT IN U.S. HISTORY! But you want to run him out of office on a rail for what? Executing TARP - a program enacted by his predecessor - in a far better fashion than was originally outlined? Trying to get financial support (Stimulus) to the States (which many Governors say they'd have gone bankrupt long ago without) that Conservatives claim are soverign but are still coming to the Treasury with their collective hands out-stretched?

You really should come down out of those anti-Obama/hardline Conservative clouds and try seeing our nation's economic problems for what they really are. Pres. Obama didn't create this mess! It's been long in the making since the Reagan era only many of you on the Right refuse to accept it. Instead, you defend the enourmous defense spending under every Republican President since Reagan only because our Constitution calls for "providing for the common defense" of the nation. Nevermind that both Reagan and both Bushs run up large deficits primarily via defense spending, none of which was paid for! And you claim that Obama is spending money from the Treasury as if it were his own personal printing press. Yet, you ignore THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT REAGAN, GH AND GW BUSH ALL DID!!! They cared nothing about running up deficits, but you want to condemn Obama for doing so to HELP lift this country out of debt, but you won't say a damned thing about the debts THREE REPUBLIC PRESIDENT ran up.

You're a hypocrit - a partisan hack of the highest degree. I have no time to waste on folks who refuse to see reason because they refuse to take off their partisan blinders.
 
They are being used by Obama to support his spending programs and not being used to repay the loans from the taxpayers thus the deficit isn't being reduced and the deficit is worse than it should be.

And yet you keep asking, "Where'd the money that was repaid from TARP loans go?" You've said several times that the Treasury hasn't "accounted" for the repayments; it's not on the books so you claim. Yet, you come right back and claim that the Obama Administration is "reallocating" the money to spending (social) programs. Do us all a favor and provide the proof then you have my full, undivided attention. Until then, you're just blowing smoke.

Do the members of this forum a favor and change the channel to your partisan hatred for a change. Your old song and dance routine has gotten very old.
 
What the hell just a few billion more in losses.

not quite.

In post #124

I ask you this question
“Did your partisan blinders fail to see the three and a half years between the Gov. loan and the payoff and profit?”

This was your reply in post #126

This isn't a loan, this was a govt. takeover and buyout. You don't seem to know the difference.


Tell me, why you don’t think that it is a loan? After all when the someone has equity in a company (in this case the Gov. ) and call it a loan, there is a pretty good case for assuming it’s a loan.Then you have this little factoid.

April 28, 2011

< The U.S. government is going to be out of the auto business - at least the auto business run from Auburn Hills, Mich., - as the Chrysler Group LLC announces a plan that will repay the $7.5 billion in loans made to Chrysler by the U.S. Treasury Dept. and the Canadian government.>

Chrysler to Repay Bailout Loans With More Loans - AutoObserver

Ahem…
(“Did your partisan blinders fail to see the three and a half years between the Gov. loan and the payoff and profit?”)
another year and a half to go,hard telling how many American jobs can be saved if Obama has his way.:mrgreen:
 
Must we rehash the same tired argument in every thread you come across?

Our national economy lost BILLIONS when the housing bubble burst. Corperate American could NOT pay its way out of ITS debt not only to its shareholders but to investors or the U.S. Treasury (federal loan guarantees). The ONLY entity with the financial clout to bail out the banks (and assist the auto industry) was the U.S. Treasury itself. No matter how many times I or others tell you this or provide you the evidence, you still refuse to believe that Pres. Obama came into office with THE LARGEST DEBT AND DEFICIT OF ANY PRESIDENT IN U.S. HISTORY! But you want to run him out of office on a rail for what? Executing TARP - a program enacted by his predecessor - in a far better fashion than was originally outlined? Trying to get financial support (Stimulus) to the States (which many Governors say they'd have gone bankrupt long ago without) that Conservatives claim are soverign but are still coming to the Treasury with their collective hands out-stretched?

You really should come down out of those anti-Obama/hardline Conservative clouds and try seeing our nation's economic problems for what they really are. Pres. Obama didn't create this mess! It's been long in the making since the Reagan era only many of you on the Right refuse to accept it. Instead, you defend the enourmous defense spending under every Republican President since Reagan only because our Constitution calls for "providing for the common defense" of the nation. Nevermind that both Reagan and both Bushs run up large deficits primarily via defense spending, none of which was paid for! And you claim that Obama is spending money from the Treasury as if it were his own personal printing press. Yet, you ignore THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT REAGAN, GH AND GW BUSH ALL DID!!! They cared nothing about running up deficits, but you want to condemn Obama for doing so to HELP lift this country out of debt, but you won't say a damned thing about the debts THREE REPUBLIC PRESIDENT ran up.

You're a hypocrit - a partisan hack of the highest degree. I have no time to waste on folks who refuse to see reason because they refuse to take off their partisan blinders.

So the world began with Reagan? I don't think so, yet you have the nerve to call someone else a 'partisan hack'??? Get real man.

j-mac
 
Must we rehash the same tired argument in every thread you come across?

Our national economy lost BILLIONS when the housing bubble burst. Corperate American could NOT pay its way out of ITS debt not only to its shareholders but to investors or the U.S. Treasury (federal loan guarantees). The ONLY entity with the financial clout to bail out the banks (and assist the auto industry) was the U.S. Treasury itself. No matter how many times I or others tell you this or provide you the evidence, you still refuse to believe that Pres. Obama came into office with THE LARGEST DEBT AND DEFICIT OF ANY PRESIDENT IN U.S. HISTORY! But you want to run him out of office on a rail for what? Executing TARP - a program enacted by his predecessor - in a far better fashion than was originally outlined? Trying to get financial support (Stimulus) to the States (which many Governors say they'd have gone bankrupt long ago without) that Conservatives claim are soverign but are still coming to the Treasury with their collective hands out-stretched?

You really should come down out of those anti-Obama/hardline Conservative clouds and try seeing our nation's economic problems for what they really are. Pres. Obama didn't create this mess! It's been long in the making since the Reagan era only many of you on the Right refuse to accept it. Instead, you defend the enourmous defense spending under every Republican President since Reagan only because our Constitution calls for "providing for the common defense" of the nation. Nevermind that both Reagan and both Bushs run up large deficits primarily via defense spending, none of which was paid for! And you claim that Obama is spending money from the Treasury as if it were his own personal printing press. Yet, you ignore THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT REAGAN, GH AND GW BUSH ALL DID!!! They cared nothing about running up deficits, but you want to condemn Obama for doing so to HELP lift this country out of debt, but you won't say a damned thing about the debts THREE REPUBLIC PRESIDENT ran up.

You're a hypocrit - a partisan hack of the highest degree. I have no time to waste on folks who refuse to see reason because they refuse to take off their partisan blinders.

Sorry you feel that way but I will put my reputation and results up against yours any day. There are a lot of partisan hacks here especially those that have no problem spending over a trillion dollars on a stimulus package that did nothing but stimulate debt and reduced employment by 2.9 million workers. I don't have a lot of respect for leftwing loons and usually buried them in the market place. The economic ignorance of the left is staggering.

"Your" President makes Jimmy Carter look good and he along with the declining number of supporters are the ones that are happy to have him in the WH.

You and others don't have a clue how our economy works and ignores what made this country great. Instead you promote the creation of victims and demonize the private sector most of whom make up 80% of the job creation and are being ignored by Obama and liberal economic policy.

I don't have much respect either for people who demonize a 1.7 trillion dollar Reagan debt but ignore the 3.5 trillion that Obama has added in just two years.

Before calling anyone a hypocrit or partisan hack look in the mirror. Get a job in the real world and then come back and tell me how you did.
 
not quite.

In post #124

I ask you this question

This was your reply in post #126




Tell me, why you don’t think that it is a loan? After all when the someone has equity in a company (in this case the Gov. ) and call it a loan, there is a pretty good case for assuming it’s a loan.Then you have this little factoid.

April 28, 2011

< The U.S. government is going to be out of the auto business - at least the auto business run from Auburn Hills, Mich., - as the Chrysler Group LLC announces a plan that will repay the $7.5 billion in loans made to Chrysler by the U.S. Treasury Dept. and the Canadian government.>

Chrysler to Repay Bailout Loans With More Loans - AutoObserver

Ahem… another year and a half to go,hard telling how many American jobs can be saved if Obama has his way.:mrgreen:

Why wasn't it a loan? Hmmm, the govt. had majority control of the company and put its own individual in charge. That isn't a loan, that is a take over. Chrysler and GM repaid taxpayer loans with new loans and the govt. paid over $52 a share to GM/Chrysler for controllling interest. Those shares are worth $32 today.

Obama is just your kind of President, implementing a European style socialist economy with cradle to grave coverage. Interesting that many of those European countries are undoing that disaster they have. Arrogant liberals are always smarter than previous liberals, right?
 
So the world began with Reagan? I don't think so, yet you have the nerve to call someone else a 'partisan hack'??? Get real man.

j-mac

Thanks, exactly to the point.
 
DETROIT (AP) -- A union official says General Motors plans to add 250 to 400 jobs at its transmission factory in Toledo, Ohio.

Local union President Ray Wood says GM will invest $260 million to build fuel-efficient, eight-speed automatic transmissions in Toledo starting late next year.

CEO Dan Akerson and United Auto Workers Vice President Joe Ashton are scheduled to make the announcement on Monday, along with local and state elected officials.

union reps, gm's ceo and the uaw?

LOL!

said what?

84 billion is 84 billion, bud

bottom line
 
despite the impact nature has had on our national economy coupled with higher gas prices, the private sector continues to add jobs.

yes, mcdonalds hired sixty thousand and ONE MILLION americans appeared desperate to flip those burgers

what's that say about the state of our economy

I predict that as the summer comes around we'll start seeing alot more hiring in housing (re)construction

Housing crash is getting worse Brett Arends' ROI - MarketWatch

and infrastructure

Obama: "No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Projects" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

All-in-All, the 2Q jobs report for FY2011 is looking pretty good under the circumstances.

cuomo, brown and two dozen other governors are slashing like never before in our memory

cities and counties are doing the same

truly, the loss in public sector employment will be difficult to overcome

inflation in gas and food are killing consumers

the shaky dollar is spooking investors

interest rates will rise

and mcdonalds isn't likely to be hiring soon

the weather should improve, it's true
 
living on that public pension, huh?

not yet, but soon

as i've been saying for years, the amount of money coming in to this house is obscene

stay up
 
yes, mcdonalds hired sixty thousand and ONE MILLION americans appeared desperate to flip those burgers

what's that say about the state of our economy



Housing crash is getting worse Brett Arends' ROI - MarketWatch



Obama: "No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Projects" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News



cuomo, brown and two dozen other governors are slashing like never before in our memory

cities and counties are doing the same

truly, the loss in public sector employment will be difficult to overcome

inflation in gas and food are killing consumers

the shaky dollar is spooking investors

interest rates will rise

and mcdonalds isn't likely to be hiring soon

the weather should improve, it's true

So are you upset the government is not doing more to support artificially high housing prices?
 
GM's Profit Up, But Results Disappoint - WSJ.com
GM Seems to be doing ok
GM's income rose to $3.2 billion, or $1.77 a share, from $865 million or 55 cents a share, lifted by $1.5 billion in gains on sale of holdings in Delphi Automotive LLP and Ally Financial. Without those gains, its earnings before interest and taxes rose 18% to $2 billion, and North American profit climbed just 8% to $1.3 billion, less than analysts had expected. Revenue increased 15%, to $36.2 billion, from $31.5 billion.
 
Current Share Price is $31.39 and the initial cost to the taxpayer was $52 a share. Not looking good to me

Thinking far to short term

The auto industry typically takes 4 years to bring new cars to the market, and significantly change its profits and sales based on qualilty product. GM is bring some good cars to the market in the next year or so, and as the Government motors tag drops off its sales will increase. So will its share price
 
Thinking far to short term

The auto industry typically takes 4 years to bring new cars to the market, and significantly change its profits and sales based on qualilty product. GM is bring some good cars to the market in the next year or so, and as the Government motors tag drops off its sales will increase. So will its share price

The Taxpayers owning any private business should be short term and that is how it was sold. we weren't told that we were going to lose billions on this venture which served only to save union contracts. Ford was successful without a takeover and the taxpayers aren't paying anything with Ford.
 
The Taxpayers owning any private business should be short term and that is how it was sold. we weren't told that we were going to lose billions on this venture which served only to save union contracts. Ford was successful without a takeover and the taxpayers aren't paying anything with Ford.
good lord, again, showing how little you know about the economy...i know i have explained to you SEVERAL TIMES what would have happened if all those jobs were lost..union members were not the only ones that would have been screwed...perhaps you should take a few economic classes.
 
good lord, again, showing how little you know about the economy...i know i have explained to you SEVERAL TIMES what would have happened if all those jobs were lost..union members were not the only ones that would have been screwed...perhaps you should take a few economic classes.

You have no idea if the jobs would have been lost. How many jobs did United Airlines lose by declaring bankruptcy? How about Delta Airlines? Your precious unions have been saved at taxpayer expense. Wonder why Ford didn't need a bailout and a takeover by the govt. Ask your union stewards why Ford is still privately owned and unionized? Perhaps you should stop posting and do some research or have your union buddies do it for you as that is what you do best, get others to do what you should do yourself. One of these days you are going to look back and wonder what happened to your life being a wage slave and rising to head wrench operator on the assembly line.
 
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