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Obama Says He Will Not Release Bin Laden Photo

The AP position revolves around "transparency." From the link:

Last Monday, the AP filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the photographic and video evidence taken during the raid on bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The organization's FOIA request included a reminder of the president's campaign pledge and a plea to be more transparent than his predecessor. "The Obama White House 'pledged to be the most transparent government in U.S. history," wrote the AP, "and to comply much more closely with the Freedom of Information Act than the Bush
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Showing a mutilated corps is being "transparent", how again? Is it supposed to be proof of .. of what? That Bin Laden is really dead? That he really was shot? Is there some question as to the facts of the matter that could be proven by showing a picture of the dead body?

There simply is no compelling reason to release the photo. Doing so would prove exactly nothing.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The AP position revolves around "transparency." From the link:



Showing a mutilated corps is being "transparent", how again? Is it supposed to be proof of .. of what? That Bin Laden is really dead? That he really was shot? Is there some question as to the facts of the matter that could be proven by showing a picture of the dead body?

There simply is no compelling reason to release the photo. Doing so would prove exactly nothing.
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The compelling reason is the transparency he promised and this is just another example of him withholding information that some believe to be critical. He is not intended to be Censor in Chief.

Of course it would be better for him and his supporters if everyone just forgot about this and moved on but the system doesn't work that way, nor should it. Maybe he'll eventually cave as he did with his birth certificate. Who really knows what this guy will do next?
 
Dittohead not! said:
There simply is no compelling reason to release the photo. Doing so would prove exactly nothing.
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It is part of the process of evidence collecting

If, the President had just been up front about this from the beginning, I don't think it would have been a issue.

What we simple have here is... NO body, NO crime scene photography....NADA

How are we suppose to stand by the President if he is not being honest?
 
ric27 said:
It is part of the process of evidence collecting

If, the President had just been up front about this from the beginning, I don't think it would have been a issue.

What we simple have here is... NO body, NO crime scene photography....NADA

How are we suppose to stand by the President if he is not being honest?
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What do you mean no crime scene photography? Pics of the compound after his killing are on the internet.

Where are the pics of a deceased Pat Tillman? Where are the crime scene photos? There actually was dishonesty in that whole affair.
 
ric27 said:
It is part of the process of evidence collecting

If, the President had just been up front about this from the beginning, I don't think it would have been a issue.

What we simple have here is... NO body, NO crime scene photography....NADA

How are we suppose to stand by the President if he is not being honest?
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If a photo were to be released, naysayers would simply say it was faked. A photo proves nothing at all in the age of digital photography.
 
Dittohead not! said:
If a photo were to be released, naysayers would simply say it was faked. A photo proves nothing at all in the age of digital photography.
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Ya... the photo would become a conspiracy.
 
Dittohead not! said:
If a photo were to be released, naysayers would simply say it was faked. A photo proves nothing at all in the age of digital photography.
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That's not the issue. You and I know he is dead

Mishandling bin Laden's Body....Alan Dershowitz: Mishandling bin Laden's Body - WSJ.com

The president's decision to withhold photographs of the dead Osama bin Laden is only the last in a series of terrible mistakes in the handling of his body. Although there should be no doubt that bin Laden is actually dead, there are grave doubts as to the circumstances surrounding his death. Was he shot in cold blood? Was he shot in the back or in the front? Were his hands raised in surrender? Was he actively resisting?

Many of these doubts could have been resolved if bin Laden's body had been subjected to the usual investigatory techniques routinely employed in homicide cases. His body should have been subjected to an autopsy, to forensic testing by an experienced medical examiner, to extensive photographing of entrance and exit wounds, to paraffin testing for gun-powder residue, and to other such forensic examination.
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ric27 said:
That's not the issue. You and I know he is dead

Mishandling bin Laden's Body....Alan Dershowitz: Mishandling bin Laden's Body - WSJ.com
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Yes, we know he's dead. Of course, not everyone will believe that he is dead, but he is, thank God, or Allah, or whoever. Actually, thank the Navy Seals and their CIC. We also know that he was continuing to plot terrorist attacks against the United States.

Had they sent a predator drone to take him out, he'd be just as dead (probably- one reason they didn't was the lack of a positive verification, but that's an aside) and no one would have known the exact cause of death.

And, no one would care, except perhaps for the jihadis.

Bottom line: Bin Laden is dead, gone, and no longer plotting terrorist attacks against America. He was a soldier fighting us, and he was killed. End of story. Why are the circumstances of his death any more important than those of any other member of Al Qaeda who has died at the hands of our soldiers?
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Yes, we know he's dead. Of course, not everyone will believe that he is dead, but he is, thank God, or Allah, or whoever. Actually, thank the Navy Seals and their CIC. We also know that he was continuing to plot terrorist attacks against the United States.

Had they sent a predator drone to take him out, he'd be just as dead (probably- one reason they didn't was the lack of a positive verification, but that's an aside) and no one would have known the exact cause of death.

And, no one would care, except perhaps for the jihadis.

Bottom line: Bin Laden is dead, gone, and no longer plotting terrorist attacks against America. He was a soldier fighting us, and he was killed. End of story. Why are the circumstances of his death any more important than those of any other member of Al Qaeda who has died at the hands of our soldiers?
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One problem the "conspiracy theory" (ie: reported facts that opposes the front page story) is that OBL has been dead for years... like 2002.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yes, we know he's dead. Of course, not everyone will believe that he is dead, but he is, thank God, or Allah, or whoever.
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Let me ask Elvis...................:mrgreen:
 
Wake said:
If it were a lie, Osama could merely make another video.
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Things being as they are, I doubt if anyone would believe another doctored tape, no matter how well it is presented or how well the image is produced.

As it stands now, his two sons know he's dead because they knew where he was hiding out, probably visited him at his stronghold many times during his years of forced isolation.

ricksfolly
 
I didnt read all 24 pages of this thread but thought I throw my comment out there anyway.

I generally do not agree with Obama but I think he made the right decision not to release the picture. It would serve no purpose.
 
muciti said:
I didnt read all 24 pages of this thread but thought I throw my comment out there anyway.

I generally do not agree with Obama but I think he made the right decision not to release the picture. It would serve no purpose.
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Being open and transparent with the people doesn't have to serve a purpose. It is not up to the US President to decide what people should and shouldn't see.

Now he is going to let the politicians see the photos but the public cannot. I don't see what sense that makes, but it does suggest a strongly elitist attitude.
 
Grant said:
Being open and transparent with the people doesn't have to serve a purpose. It is not up to the US President to decide what people should and shouldn't see.

Now he is going to let the politicians see the photos but the public cannot. I don't see what sense that makes, but it does suggest a strongly elitist attitude.
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Oh, no...elitism. God save us from that.....
 
Don't you guys think it would be a good idea thought to release the photos? OR Do you think there is ANY level of proof that will convince people in doubt?

 
SEAL helmet cams recorded entire bin Laden raid - CBS Evening News - CBS News

CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports the 40 minutes it took to kill bin Laden and scoop his archives into garbage bags were all recorded by tiny helmet cameras worn by each of the 25 SEALs.

Officials reviewing those videos are still reconstructing a more accurate version of what happened. We now know that the only firefight took place in the guest house, where one of bin Laden's couriers opened fire and was quickly gunned down. No one in the main building got off a shot or was even armed, although there were weapons nearby.
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The SEALs first saw bin Laden when he came out on the third floor landing. They fired, but missed. He retreated to his bedroom, and the first SEAL through the door grabbed bin Laden's daughters and pulled them aside.

When the second SEAL entered, bin Laden's wife rushed forward at him -- or perhaps was pushed by bin Laden. The SEAL shoved her aside and shot bin Laden in the chest. A third seal shot him in the head.
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BmanMcfly said:
One problem the "conspiracy theory" (ie: reported facts that opposes the front page story) is that OBL has been dead for years... like 2002.
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Still reading the supermarket tabloids, I see. What's the latest on the ghost of Elvis and those aliens in Roswell?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Still reading the supermarket tabloids, I see. What's the latest on the ghost of Elvis and those aliens in Roswell?
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No, just :

1 - 2001: FOXNews.com - Report: Bin Laden Already Dead - U.S. & World
2 - 2002 : CNN.com - Pakistan's Musharraf: Bin Laden probably dead - January 18, 2002
3 - 2002 : FBI Official Thinks Bin Laden Is Dead - CBS News
4 - 2005 : Senator Harry Reid Told Osama Bin Laden Killed in Pakistan Earthquake
5 - 2006 : French Intelligence Also Suspects Osama bin Laden Is Dead
6 - 2007 : YouTube - Benazir Bhutto: Bin Laden was Murdered
7 - 2009 : The American Spectator : Osama bin Elvis
8 - 2009 : Zardari says Osama dead
9 - This escapade of resurrecting a dead guy to kill him again...

Thanks - The Corbett Report | Osama Bin Laden Pronounced Dead…For the Ninth Time

So which of these times Osama died was the correct one??
 
Dittohead not! said:
The time he was killed by the Navy Seals and the event videoed by their helmet cams, when Al Qaeda confirmed his death.

Maybe he had nine lives, like a cat.

Or, maybe the other times were just rumors and wishful thinking.
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Umm, that video cut out after the landing... so the video does not exist, Alquaida "agreed that bin laden was dead" using a group that is itself tied to intelligence agencies.

The body was dumped at sea where nobody would ever find it... the story has changed multiple times, big shootout, lone gunman, cowardly bin laden, aggressive bin laden... it wouldn't be so bad had they made up their minds in the beginning.

Has there REALLY been anything about this story that indicates that the government is being forthcoming about what happened???

He's probably been long dead, either killed in an explosion somewhere, or whatever... in the end "bin laden" was reduced to audio tapes and anonymous message board entries anyway...

Oh did you also notice that the 3 of 4 replacements for bin laden are americans??

I always thought that the rules on bounties like that was to bring the body dead or alive??
 
On the CBS report....
No one in the main building got off a shot or was even armed,
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I think its reasonable that, the seal team could have subdued/restrain UBL then cuff him

Bin Laden could have been brought back alive from Abbottabad
 
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BmanMcfly said:
Umm, that video cut out after the landing... so the video does not exist, Alquaida "agreed that bin laden was dead" using a group that is itself tied to intelligence agencies.

The body was dumped at sea where nobody would ever find it... the story has changed multiple times, big shootout, lone gunman, cowardly bin laden, aggressive bin laden... it wouldn't be so bad had they made up their minds in the beginning.

Has there REALLY been anything about this story that indicates that the government is being forthcoming about what happened???

He's probably been long dead, either killed in an explosion somewhere, or whatever... in the end "bin laden" was reduced to audio tapes and anonymous message board entries anyway...

Oh did you also notice that the 3 of 4 replacements for bin laden are americans??

I always thought that the rules on bounties like that was to bring the body dead or alive??
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I'm not sure anyone has been paid a "bounty".

but it will be interesting seeing you support the "deather" position.
 
the white house is changing its story again

may 4: Panetta: 25 Minute blackout during raid on bin Laden compound - Telegraph

yesterday: SEAL helmet cams recorded entire bin Laden raid - CBS Evening News - CBS News

doesn't the slasher want the world to see that our seals shot an unarmed man

either way, kudos go to the slasher for NOT dismantling the anti terror policies of his predecessor---gitmo, detention, wiretapping, etc---thus allowing our agents and seals to GET the target

prosecute the cia, anyone?
 
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