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Official: Bin Laden buried at sea

Opteron said:
I'm still not sure why they buried him at sea, I was expecting an autopsy, holding the body, or something.
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I believe they buried him so quickly due to the rites and traditions of Islam. The deceased must be buried at least 24 hours after death. Also, they buried him at sea to prevent a buriel site for his followers. Good thinking, and I hope it pays off.
 
shablon said:
They eliminated Osama because they did not want the world to know about the Zionists blowing up the World Trade Center
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Shablon, I'm new to this forum, and I haven't heard this before. Is there a thread that explains how Zionists were resonsible for 9/11, and if not, could you start one and explain your position? Thanks!!
 
DiAnna said:
This burial at sea stuff... in itself I don't care. Crab food is all his corpse is good for. However, the timeline is bugging me. They shoot the dude, drag him into a chopper, then take a long chopper ride back to Kabul, about 400 miles. They unload the body, take reams of photographs and video, perform an autopsy (no matter what they say, you know they did this), take a bunch of tissue samples for DNA analysis... among other things... then load the body up back into a chopper, fly some 1,200-1,500 miles to the nearest carrier group, then go through a complete Islamic-based burial prep... all within 24 hours? I don't know how fast choppers fly, but even at 100 miles per hour it would have taken 20 hours from Islamabad to Kabul and Kabul to the Arabian Sea.

I'm not buying it. That's the "show how we respect Islamic tradition" version for public distribution. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't in cold storage at a top secret military facility waiting for the DNA and other tests to be completed before being flown back over the ocean and dumped out of a chopper.

I'm not saying that's what happened, but logic tells me that the time required for that scenario makes the 24-hour turnaround a bit suspect.
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Good points. I wouldn't mind seeing a timeline on how this was carried out, but this may never be available for public consumption. I would say that it is possible, but they would have to be moving at a good clip. This is the military, though, and they can move pretty fast when needed!
 
Kali said:
Not trying to be a Debbie Downer but those that think sending this prick into the sea will result in no shrines are fooling themselves.
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I'm not saying it will prevent shrines and the like, but I do feel that having an actual burial site would have acted as a focal point for his lemmings to flock to.
 
Degreez said:
Check your cities again... It was Abbottabad, Pakistan to a base in Jalalabad, Afghanstan. From there it was taken to the USS Carl Vinson in the northern Arabian Sea. Military helicopters can travel at 200 mph with ease.
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If he was taken to Jalalabad, then to the Northern Arabian Sea, I think it is very doable.
 
ADG said:
Even if they kept the body, there would be those who would deny he were dead.
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The worst part is that there are plenty of conspiracy nuts, like my ex-husband, who are already doing this (American citizens). I think America is getting dumber by the day.
 
They shouldn't have given him a "proper" Islamic burial. But whatever, his body isn't breathing whether he was stuffed with bacon and fed to homosexual dogs or if he was buried within 24 hours at sea.
 
Councilman said:
When I first heard he was buried at sea, I thought, brilliant, It makes it impossible to make his burial place a shrine but then they will make a shrine of the place he was killed, or where ever they want if that is the objective.

I think to announce that he was buried at sea will be seen as a desecration and might make it more likely that he will be made some kind of a martyr, I have no idea how to avoid this out come.

Unfortunately there is no safe way to avoid making a martyr out of a mass murderer who is a radical Islamic self proclaimed saviour of the Cult of Islam.

It's a hard thing to combat and there is no easy way to end the life of such a person and avoid the inevitable outcome we now face.

I have been involved reporting murders and and mass murder and this is a unique case.

I wish there were a safe and easy way to avoid this but, I cannot think of a way. This might be the best way to deal with this bastard.

I have nothing but respect for the team that killed this scum bag.

And I have to say Obama surprised me in this case. It is the first time he did the right thing.
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I agree, there may be no way to prevent him from becoming a martyr, but I heard a report yesterday from a reporter in Afganistan that said that many young Afganis do not know about 9/11 or who bin Laden is. This surprised me, but I do forget how primitive the communication system is in Afganistan, and that it was almost ten years since the towers fell. Or maybe I and and the reporter are just wishing that the scumbags death will not become a rallying cry.
 
digsbe said:
They shouldn't have given him a "proper" Islamic burial. But whatever, his body isn't breathing whether he was stuffed with bacon and fed to homosexual dogs or if he was buried within 24 hours at sea.
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The burial was not done for him or his followers. Even Muslims who hated bin Laden would have been offended if he was not buried properly. This was PR, and a gesture that we are not at war with Islam, but with the terrorists who hide behind the Qu'ran to commit murder.
 
ADG said:
The burial was not done for him or his followers. Even Muslims who hated bin Laden would have been offended if he was not buried properly. This was PR, and a gesture that we are not at war with Islam, but with the terrorists who hide behind the Qu'ran to commit murder.
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Do these Muslims give a flying flip about how the people bin Laden murdered were buried? Why we cater to this abortion of religion and human rights is beyond me. And the mere fact that Pakistan harbored and protected this man for a decade makes this country an enemy in my mind.
 
Considering the opinions I have seen online from the majority of everyday Muslims is one of relief that Bin Laden is dead and can't bastardize their faith any more, I am a little confused as to why we'd afford him any special religious treatment in death.

Oh well. At least the ****er is gone. He and Saddam can take turns porking Satan in Hell.
 
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DiAnna said:
-- perform an autopsy (no matter what they say, you know they did this), take a bunch of tissue samples for DNA analysis... among other things...
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Apparently if an autopsy is needed then the 24 hour rule can be waived.

US officials say Osama Bin Laden's body was treated with respect and buried at sea, but some Muslims argue there was no good reason for not burying it on land.

Islamic tradition requires the dead to be buried as soon as possible, unless an autopsy is required.

The US military took this requirement very seriously, burying the body within hours.

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Councilman said:
-- I think to announce that he was buried at sea will be seen as a desecration and might make it more likely that he will be made some kind of a martyr, I have no idea how to avoid this out come --
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Well spotted, other muslims are already beginning to discuss the sea burial and this will cause problems.

Why at sea?

According to UK-based Imam Dr Abduljalil Sajid,

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There is no necessity for an imam to be present, he says, but the procedures should be carried out by Muslims at least one of whom "knows the minimum basic Muslim law of burial".

Whether any such person was present is impossible to know, he says, based on the limited information provided. But he also questions whether sea burial was appropriate in this case.

It is correct to carry out a burial at sea when someone dies on a sea journey, he says, but in this case there was no sound reason for it.

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Mohammed Qudah, a professor of Islamic law at the University of Jordan, who told the Associated Press news agency that burying Bin Laden at sea was not forbidden if there was nobody to receive the body and provide a Muslim burial.

But he went on: "It's neither true nor correct to claim that there was nobody in the Muslim world ready to receive Bin Laden's body."

The agency also quoted Dubai's grand mufti Mohammed al-Qubaisi, saying that sea burials were permissible only in extraordinary circumstances, adding: "This is not one of them."

"If the family does not want him, it's really simple in Islam: You dig up a grave anywhere, even on a remote island, you say the prayers and that's it," he said.

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Personally, I think the US did the right thing (including not bothering with taking him alive) and within the circumstances. It appears other countries did not want him and the US did not have the time or luxury of contacting all countries of the world to find a free island space as suggested by Dubai's Mohammed al-Qubaisi.

What also bothers me is that many of these imams now speaking out on how a muslim should be buried are suggesting that Bin Laden deserved a proper religious burial.

Originally also, Muhammed wanted muslim ritual to be different from jewish and christian ritual - so I suppose the US has accidentally come across a novel way of differentiation from the jewish and christian practice of burying people in the ground....
 
Erod said:
Do these Muslims give a flying flip about how the people bin Laden murdered were buried?
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Well, "these Muslims" that I was referring to are the 1 billion Muslims (I think that is the count now) living in the U.S.A, Afganistan and elsewhere that do not support al-Quaeda, but who would look favorably on the burial as respectful to their beliefs. As I said, it is PR.

And the mere fact that Pakistan harbored and protected this man for a decade makes this country an enemy in my mind.
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I totally agree. From certain reports I've heard, our operatives went out of their way NOT to inform the Pakistani's of the mission because they didn't want bin Laden tipped off. The Pakistani's didn't know about the operation until the helicopter was taking off from the compound after killing bin Laden. The Pakistani's were going to scramble jets to take out the helicopters and had asked us if we had any aircraft in the area, and it was only then that we disclosed what had happened. This tells me that our government knows the kind of 'ally' we have in Pakistan.
 
ADG said:
Shablon, I'm new to this forum, and I haven't heard this before. Is there a thread that explains how Zionists were resonsible for 9/11, and if not, could you start one and explain your position? Thanks!!
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Oh, please let's not get into idiotic conspiracy theories again. In fact why isn't there a section for conspiracy theories?
 
Even the most heinous serial killer is given a "decent" funeral after his execution.
 
tjinta ibis said:
Even the most heinous serial killer is given a "decent" funeral after his execution.
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I was thinking about this earlier on when a friend pointed out that Megatron was buried at sea too and look what a disaster we had to put up with when "Transformers 2" came out....

:mrgreen:
 
tjinta ibis said:
Oh, please let's not get into idiotic conspiracy theories again. In fact why isn't there a section for conspiracy theories?
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I understand. I can't help but be curious, though. I guess I'm a conspiracy theory rubber necker.
 
Degreez said:
Check your cities again... It was Abbottabad, Pakistan to a base in Jalalabad, Afghanstan. From there it was taken to the USS Carl Vinson in the northern Arabian Sea. Military helicopters can travel at 200 mph with ease.
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Thanks! The original report I heard said they flew to Kabul, but from Jalalabad to the Arabian Sea at 200 mph... definitely doable. I still think there's a fair chance his body is in cold storage somewhere. ;)
 
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