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Osama Bin Laden is dead

Are you familiar with the term "legal order"? seriously, "I was ordered to do it" is a good enough excuse for you?




So, to some it up, the killing of OBL is a problem for you....

yes, I am. And there are lines a soldier should not cross. Certainly, marching millions into tthe showers would not be an order you can excuse. But others are more gray, as it would be here. I would not target the SEALS here at all.

And yes, some people have less problem with killing OBL no matter what the law. I understand that. And it is one of a few reasons why Obama will not be charged. But breaking laws sets a precedence. And once we break a law today, it is possible we can expand the critieria later. It becomes easier to justify law breaking. I simply prefer we follow the law. We have nothing to fear from a live OBL. And having him stand trial and answer to world, being shown clearly what he is, would not eb something we should have feared.
 
yes, I am. And there are lines a soldier should not cross. Certainly, marching millions into tthe showers would not be an order you can excuse. But others are more gray, as it would be here. I would not target the SEALS here at all.


You want to have your cake and eat it to. sorry, that does not fly. Whether you "march" one person into a shower, or carry out an illegal assasination, it is your responsibility to refuse illegal orders.


And yes, some people have less problem with killing OBL no matter what the law. I understand that. And it is one of a few reasons why Obama will not be charged. But breaking laws sets a precedence. And once we break a law today, it is possible we can expand the critieria later. It becomes easier to justify law breaking. I simply prefer we follow the law. We have nothing to fear from a live OBL. And having him stand trial and answer to world, being shown clearly what he is, would not eb something we should have feared.


Sorry you are sad to see OBL go.... :shrug:
 
You want to have your cake and eat it to. sorry, that does not fly. Whether you "march" one person into a shower, or carry out an illegal assasination, it is your responsibility to refuse illegal orders.





Sorry you are sad to see OBL go.... :shrug:

rev, details matter. It is not true that all things are equivilant. Judgement is often required.

And silliness concerning OBL is not helpful. I have said I shed no tears for OBl. This is about us and rule of law. it always has been. He is meaningless.
 
rev, details matter. It is not true that all things are equivilant. Judgement is often required.

One can be held responsible for ones actions under the UCMJ, did you miss that class?


And silliness concerning OBL is not helpful. I have said I shed no tears for OBl. This is about us and rule of law. it always has been. He is meaningless.

It's not silly at all, you rosie, moore, and beck all have the same silly position.
 
That seems like murder to me if not done in a cmbat (sic) situation of some type

it seems like murder?

LOL!

I would think it would be a problem for most

you think the assassination of the author of 9-11 is a problem?

for most?

LOL!

buy a tv
 
And it is one of a few reasons why Obama will not be charged

obama charged?

with killing ubl?

LOL!

utterly preposterous

who's gonna charge him, champ?

the senate, the world court?

how completely outta touch can a talker be?

think much?
 
One can be held responsible for ones actions under the UCMJ, did you miss that class?




It's not silly at all, you rosie, moore, and beck all have the same silly position.

Again, not missing it. But as I point out, details matter. I doubt very seriously even if Obama were charged, that the SEALS would be.

And yes, silly.
 
I doubt very seriously even if Obama were charged, that the SEALS would be

even if obama were charged...

LOL!

think much?

anyway, america is thankful to president obama for NOT dismantling the anti terror policies of his predecessor (gitmo, detention, wiretapping...), allowing our agents and seals to accomplish this assassination

USA!
 
That's one opinon. But then killing him would not be an asssassination. It would be something else. I worded myself carefully above to account for this opinion.

It's not opinion. Tell us, what party of what country do they represent? What elections did they win? We sure can note though how once again liberals tend to side with this nations enemies.

And yes, some people have less problem with killing OBL no matter what the law. I understand that. And it is one of a few reasons why Obama will not be charged. But breaking laws sets a precedence. And once we break a law today, it is possible we can expand the critieria later. It becomes easier to justify law breaking. I simply prefer we follow the law. We have nothing to fear from a live OBL. And having him stand trial and answer to world, being shown clearly what he is, would not eb something we should have feared.


Are you kidding here? We can't even get KSM to trial in a military tribunal without you libs screaming about his "rights"... Give me a break here Joe, just be square and tell us you support OBL.

j-mac
 
It's not opinion. Tell us, what party of what country do they represent? What elections did they win? We sure can note though how once again liberals tend to side with this nations enemies.


If they represented no one, they would have no followers, no members, no one to act. Not sure what country you're speaking of, but we saw in Iraq a number of Saudis and Syrians come to the call.



Are you kidding here? We can't even get KSM to trial in a military tribunal without you libs screaming about his "rights"... Give me a break here Joe, just be square and tell us you support OBL.

j-mac

The largest obsticle to trying KSM, besides the fer mongering, is that Bush violated rule of law. it's difficult to back track that stuff. It could be done, but with great difficulty. Had we adhered to rule of law from the begining, we'd all be the better for it.
 
Bush violated rule of law

then obama wiretapped, detained and used info gained from wiretapping

before he directed this assassination, that is

think much?

string up the slasher, we're better than him
 
And having him stand trial and answer to world, being shown clearly what he is, would not eb something we should have feared.

Stand trial. That was NEVER going to happen

Trial - It would have given him a world wide stage to make speeches, criticize Pres. Bush for the military tribunals, Gitmo, wiretapping, alleged torture, etc, and in so doing, Obama puts himself on the line.

Life in prison - UBL starts his own prison army with all the anti-US Muslims in our prison system, provide all of his Muslim needs, pay for his dialysis, ****loads acts of terrorism seeking his freedom. Here at home and abroad, etc, etc

Death - it would take 20-25 years to get through the appeals process and more of the above

Obama's only option was to assassinate him.....ARMED or UNARMED. Period
 
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They violated a lot of laws, including US law. I have no problem in a US court.

Haven't listened to either one, but if they speak to rule of law, I guess I would have to agree. Not so much civil rights, as the one that makes assassination illegal. A law that is only a law for some carries no meaning. I wouldn't use the words monsters, but I would suggest that one of the things that makes a people good is how well the obey and follow rule of law.

Obama broke no law!!! End of story. get over this dude
 
On another note.....

Have you noticed that since this happened, it's like Japan's nuclear crisis never happened?

In three months, no one will care about bin Laden either.

People's attention spans are so short these days.

I disgaree. Esp in reguards to those that lost loved ones on 9/11 and esp those living in NY. You are wrong here.
 
Obama broke no law!!! End of story. get over this dude

Such certainty. I hope your right. But, if he assassintated, killed as in an execution, I would beg to differ. The law must apply to all, or there is no law.
 
If they represented no one, they would have no followers, no members, no one to act.

So what country are they a political party of? Come on man tell us.

Not sure what country you're speaking of, but we saw in Iraq a number of Saudis and Syrians come to the call.

No, I am not sure who you think they represent. What country, what party. Is there an election we can point to where they have had a hand in participation in? Your fundamental lack of understanding what OBL, and AQ stood for is glaring.

The largest obsticle to trying KSM, besides the fer mongering, is that Bush violated rule of law.


Says you.

it's difficult to back track that stuff. It could be done, but with great difficulty. Had we adhered to rule of law from the begining, we'd all be the better for it.

How can you face yourself in the mirror living in such an ignoble, unlawful country Joe?

j-mac
 
So what country are they a political party of? Come on man tell us
.


Believe it or not, politics is not limited to a single country. A movement can be seen as polticial but not nationalistic.

No, I am not sure who you think they represent. What country, what party. Is there an election we can point to where they have had a hand in participation in? Your fundamental lack of understanding what OBL, and AQ stood for is glaring.

No country. Like minded people.



Says you.

And rightly so.


How can you face yourself in the mirror living in such an ignoble, unlawful country Joe?

j-mac

I have a healthy self and national esteem. I'm not as easily shaken as some. I can question and make judgements without falling aprt. :coffeepap
 
I have a healthy self and national esteem

fascinating

meanwhile, it's kind of a shame that president barack the slasher continued all those criminal operations initiated by his predecessor, thus making possible this assassination

oh well, so much for changing america's image abroad

wiretapping, anyone?

rendition?
 
.Believe it or not, politics is not limited to a single country. A movement can be seen as polticial but not nationalistic.


AQ is a terror org that attacked us unprovoked. Now you may wish to support them through covering that up as in redefining them as some quasi political entity. It doesn't mean they are.


No country. Like minded people.

Sorry dude, you are spinning here....Our own IRS defines a "political org" as follows:

Definition of a Qualified State or Local Political Organization


A qualified state or local political organization is a political organization that meets the following requirements:

*
The organization limits its exempt function to the selection process relating solely to any state or local public office or office in a state or local political organization;

*
The organization is required under a state law to report to a state agency (and the organization does so) the information that otherwise would be required to be reported on Form 8872. The organization will meet this requirement even if the state law does not require reporting of the identical information required on Form 8872, so long as at least the following information is required to be reported under the state law and is reported by the organization:

o
The name and address of every person who contributes $500 or more in the aggregate to the organization during the calendar year and the amount of each contribution, and
o
The name and address of every person to whom the organization makes expenditures aggregating $800 or more during the calendar year, and the amount of each expenditure.

However, if the state law requires the reporting of any additional information specified in Internal Revenue Code section 527(j)(3), the organization will meet this requirement only if it reports that additional information to the state agency;

*
The state agency makes the reports filed by the organization publicly available;

*
The organization makes the reports filed with the state agency publicly available in the manner described in Code section 6104(d); and

*
No federal candidate or office holder controls or materially participates in the direction of the organization, solicits contributions to the organization, or directs any of the organization's disbursements.
Definition of a Qualified State or Local Political Organization

wiki says this:

A political party is a political organization that typically seeks to influence government policy, usually by nominating their own candidates and trying to seat them in political office. Parties participate in electoral campaigns, educational outreach or protest actions. Parties often espouse an expressed ideology or vision bolstered by a written platform with specific goals, forming a coalition among disparate interests.

Political party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please try if you can and explain how AQ fits this criteria in your eyes.

And rightly so.

You'll excuse me if I disagree.

I have a healthy self and national esteem.

I don't think you do Joe.

You believe this country ignoble, and engaged in illegal activity, to the extent that rather than exercise our sovereignty, we should beg UN approval for ever increasing functions that are solely in our own interests.


I'm not as easily shaken as some. I can question and make judgements without falling aprt.

You certainly do have a flair for exaggeration.

j-mac
 
Sounds like his politics are guiding his opinion, more than anything else. The, "un-American", part kind gave it away.


I think politics are guiding the opinions of those that so desperately want Bush to have some part of this glory! Unfortunately for them, even McCain has come out against those that want to make water boarding seem like a piece of cake and clarified the nonsense that it had anything to do with finding Bin Laden.
 
Lol...you make it sound like we cut heads off our captives. A little stress and duress here and there...is what we use


Which all just happens to go against the Constitution, ratified treaties against it (Supreme Law of the Land), the Geneva Convention.......

And this from those who claim to love the Constitution and want to abide by it! Ha!
 
View the link before responding.


Like the video points out that he is a CIA official? I didn't get that from the video. That he is Bush's former speech writer makes him an expert on CIA interrogations? Ha!

It appears that either McCain or Theissen is lying, and they are both Republicans!

Former prisoner of war John McCain weighed in today on the assertions that torture played a role in tracking down Osama bin Laden.

“That’s false,” wrote the senior U.S. Senator from Arizona, in an editorial published in the Washington Post today.

McCain continued:

The trail to bin Laden did not begin with a disclosure from Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times. The first mention of Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti — the nickname of the al-Qaeda courier who ultimately led us to bin Laden — as well as a description of him as an important member of al-Qaeda, came from a detainee held in another country, who we believe was not tortured. None of the three detainees who were waterboarded provided Abu Ahmed’s real name, his whereabouts or an accurate description of his role in al-Qaeda.

Update – McCain: Torture Didn’t Help Locate Bin Laden - Osha Gray Davidson - Edison 2.0 - Forbes
 
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