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Osama Bin Laden is dead

Whovian said:
It was a side discussion that started because of the news... in her Earth Science class. If it was poly sci, I'd be concerned.
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I had a die hard communist prof once. Interesting guy actually Very passionate though.
 
j-mac said:
What a dishonest way to make an argument...Why am I not surprised?

j-mac
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Not to mention it jumps like, 54654654 steps to make a point. It's a stretch, and (thankfully) he seems to be one of few who actually believe that Bush II had nothing to do with getting Osama.
 
j-mac said:
What a dishonest way to make an argument...Why am I not surprised?

j-mac
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Dishonest? The statement was made when people were questioning why Bush took his efforts off of Bin Laden and started focusing on Iraq. What efforts do you have to show that Bush did anything to focus on Bin Laden once they decided to pursue the Cheney/Rumsfield imperialistic agenda?
 
tessaesque said:
Not to mention it jumps like, 54654654 steps to make a point. It's a stretch, and (thankfully) he seems to be one of few who actually believe that Bush II had nothing to do with getting Osama.
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Oh please.....you guys are so desperate to try to rehabilitate GWB that you cannot stomach the idea that Obama did in two years what Bush couldn't accomplish in 8. If Bush hadn't decided to use 911 to justify an invasion of Iraq, Bin Laden could have been captured years ago.
 
disneydude said:
Dishonest? The statement was made when people were questioning why Bush took his efforts off of Bin Laden and started focusing on Iraq. What efforts do you have to show that Bush did anything to focus on Bin Laden once they decided to pursue the Cheney/Rumsfield imperialistic agenda?
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Bush is not what the thread is about. If you hate mongers of Bush are so all consumed, I suggest you start a thread covering that topic, as for this one it is about OBL being killed. Not Blaming Bush as you so love to do.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Bush is not what the thread is about. If you hate mongers of Bush are so all consumed, I suggest you start a thread covering that topic, as for this one it is about OBL being killed. Not Blaming Bush as you so love to do.

j-mac
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02[/FONT]​
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)[/FONT]​
 
disneydude said:
Dishonest? The statement was made when people were questioning why Bush took his efforts off of Bin Laden and started focusing on Iraq. What efforts do you have to show that Bush did anything to focus on Bin Laden once they decided to pursue the Cheney/Rumsfield imperialistic agenda?
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You do realize how utterly ridiculous it is to base your argument on one situation during one conversation which represents 1/10 of 1/10 of 1% of the actions taken by, intiated by, or encouraged by Bush vis-a-vie the intelligence he had available??

This link has been posted (I'm guessing) around 10 times during this thread, but it is the only evidence that's been posted to suggest Bush "did nothing". I'll completely ignore the fact that your own statements imply that Bush did something at some point, just not enough and skip right to this:

Even Obama who has absolutely nothing to gain by doing so, was gracious enough to acknowledge the efforts made by Bush which lead to Osama's death. Article after article which includes time lines confirm that intelligence gathered based on directives and authorizations from Bush were a primary and necessary portion of the puzzle. Without intelligence gathered long after this ridiculous video was made there would have been no killing/capture/military ops over the last few days.
 
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disneydude said:
Oh please.....you guys are so desperate to try to rehabilitate GWB that you cannot stomach the idea that Obama did in two years what Bush couldn't accomplish in 8. If Bush hadn't decided to use 911 to justify an invasion of Iraq, Bin Laden could have been captured years ago.
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If Clinton hadn't said no to the countries that twice wanted to hand us Bin Laden we might never have had a 9/11 to contend with. The difference between my statement and yours is that mine is fact and yours is some off-the-wall, irrelevant opinion of Bush's actions based on stupid supposition and a youtube video.
 
winston53660 said:
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02[/FONT]​
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)[/FONT]​
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Yeah so? So he was deflecting the constant heckling he got on a daily basis from the libtard media on the subject that thought he should have caught OBL the day we invaded Afghanistan. Do you have any proof at all that Bush ordered any stand down in finding OBL?

j-mac
 
tessaesque said:
If Clinton hadn't said no to the countries that twice wanted to hand us Bin Laden we might never have had a 9/11 to contend with. The difference between my statement and yours is that mine is fact and yours is some off-the-wall, irrelevant opinion of Bush's actions based on stupid supposition and a youtube video.
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If Reagan hadn't of stopped the Soviets in Afghanistan Al Queda might not have grown into what it is today.
 
j-mac said:
Bush is not what the thread is about. If you hate mongers of Bush are so all consumed, I suggest you start a thread covering that topic, as for this one it is about OBL being killed. Not Blaming Bush as you so love to do.

j-mac
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If you go back and trace the thread....you would see that I wasn't the one who brough Bush up...like you....I was responding to what others wrote. I guess its ok for you to respond but not others? Thanks for playing!
 
tessaesque said:
If Clinton hadn't said no to the countries that twice wanted to hand us Bin Laden we might never have had a 9/11 to contend with. The difference between my statement and yours is that mine is fact and yours is some off-the-wall, irrelevant opinion of Bush's actions based on stupid supposition and a youtube video.
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Ah...yes....the blame Clinton card, although 911 occurred well into Bush's watch.....
 
Bush II had Bin Laden in his sights at Tora Bora but messed it up. He didn't put troops on the ground and instead relied on mercenary Afghani warlords for backup. He could have had Bin Laden at the outset. Then he forgot about Bin Laden and started a war in Iraq. What's there to dispute?

You can read what happened that time on 60 minutes: Elite Officer Recalls Bin Laden Hunt - 60 Minutes - CBS News

"We want to come in on the back door," Fury explains. "The original plan that we sent up through our higher headquarters, Delta Force wants to come in over the mountain with oxygen, coming from the Pakistan side, over the mountains and come in and get a drop on bin Laden from behind."

But they didn't take that route, because Fury says they didn't get approval from a higher level. "Whether that was Central Command all the way up to the president of the United States, I'm not sure," he says.

The next option that Delta wanted to employ was to drop hundreds of landmines in the mountain passes that led to Pakistan, which was bin Laden’s escape route.

"First guy blows his leg off, everybody else stops. That allows aircraft overhead to find them. They see all these heat sources out there. Okay, there a big large group of Al Qaeda moving south. They can engage that," Fury explains.

But they didn't do that either, because Fury says that plan was also disapproved. He says he has "no idea" why.

"How often does Delta come up with a tactical plan that's disapproved by higher headquarters?" Pelley asks.

"In my experience, in my five years at Delta, never before," Fury says.
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I just have to say if our intelligence listened to this man we would have had him years ago!









(Joke obviously).
 
disneydude said:
If you go back and trace the thread....you would see that I wasn't the one who brough Bush up...like you....I was responding to what others wrote. I guess its ok for you to respond but not others? Thanks for playing!
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Yep, that's right, now sit down son.

j-mac
 
disneydude said:
Ah...yes....the blame Clinton card, although 911 occurred well into Bush's watch.....
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Ah, the Wonderful World of Disney.

The economy and wars happening 2+ years into Obama's Presidency....BUSH'S FAULT. Something occuring 9 months into Bush's term in office....BUSH'S FAULT.

The flat out blaming of 9/11 on Clinton is idiotically narrow focused, but the hypocrisy of your normally narrow focused self when it comes to anything happening under Obama's watch that you can blame on Bush suddenly becoming far more of a wide view when it comes to things happening while Bush was in office is ironic. God forbid there be consistency in your views.
 
disneydude said:
Oh please.....you guys are so desperate to try to rehabilitate GWB that you cannot stomach the idea that Obama did in two years what Bush couldn't accomplish in 8. If Bush hadn't decided to use 911 to justify an invasion of Iraq, Bin Laden could have been captured years ago.
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Do you really believe this crap? I'm all about giving President Obama the credit for making the decision to go....Clinton and Carter probably wouldn't have....but come on....that crap is just crybaby partisan nonsense. President Obama didn't DO it.
 
Erod said:
Yes, yes, yes. Keep up this sentiment as such idiocy will ensure another thrashing in 2012.

You know nothing of Bush's "efforts" in pursuing bin Laden. Who are you? Nobody. You're half the problem.

Obama was sat down and explained how the world really is after he got elected, and he abandoned the spineless, naive childishness his supporters cling to. He had to. I'd bet what he learned scared the absolute hell out of him.
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The righties are crying already. That didn't take long. Spin all you want, buddy. The fact of the matter is Obama gets the credit. Yes, the intelligence community and the military made this operation successful; but you cannot deny that this is huge for Obama. I say this virtually guarantees Obama's victory in 2012. He only needs one campaign commercial: Osama Bin Laden is Dead - I'm Barack Obama, and I approve this message.
 
Mayor Snorkum said:
Of course Obama is going to take all the credit. He's also going to spin out some BS yarn about why action couldn't be taken in August, when the report of bin Laden's location allegedly came in. Boy, this will take the public's attention off their permanent unemployment, their soaring fuel prices and Donald Trump, won't it?

Thing is, all those problems will still be there, two days from now, when people stop talking about bin Laden and Obama's incredible heroism.
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Dumbest post of this thread so far. They got the tip in August. It took them this long because they had to A) Verify and re-verify that he was actually there, and B) train and re-train for the mission. You don't get a tip and then fly in there with no plan. Take off your partisan hat and think for a minute. You're crying is pathetic. As much as it hurts your little ego, you have to admit that Obama got the ****ing job done. Be happy about it.

This ends the conservative argument that liberals are weak when it comes to national security. Whenever a con brings up that tired old criticism, all one has to do is say, "Osama Bin Laden is dead".
 
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