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Osama Bin Laden is dead

RyrineaHaruno said:
I think the reason he has slightly different skin tone was due to the fact of the blood splatter on his face.
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Yet the bottom half is completely clean. Didn't he die exactly 65 years after Hitler? Or was it the day before?
 
kaya'08 said:
Yet the bottom half is completely clean. Didn't he die exactly 65 years after Hitler? Or was it the day before?
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Rolf, and YES he did in fact die on the day that Hitler committed suicide. Thouht DNA test confirms that the body is him.
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
Rolf, and YES he did in fact die on the day that Hitler committed suicide. Thouht DNA test confirms that the body is him.
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So the CIA says. We dont even have the body now, or video evidence, or anything more than an image that we cant be sure was taken recently. And his beard, its black and so is his hair. I doubt radicalist Osama would dye it to look pretty. We know from his last video footage he has greyed significantly.
 
Look at the hair color:

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And the conspiracy theories begin...


- Binladeners?
- Usamaers?
- UBLers?
 
Crosscheck said:
Would the American soldiers who killed him have any chance of the $25 Million dollar reward for Laden.
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Servicemen and women never get the reward. The Kingdom of Kuwait offered every US serviceman $10k for their participation in Desert Storm and the USG turned it down.
 
Oh by the way that posted image of Osama is said to be a fake, confirmed by a US official on twitter. If that is the case then there is no conspiracy theory here.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
The legal and moral concept.
You know trial by jury, that whole thing.

But like I said, that doesn't necessarily make this bad.
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POWs and enemy combatants do not have rights afford to citizens by our consitution. A military tribunal or trial in an international court may have applied, but all accounts I've read of this event assert that Osama and his group shot first, we shot second, Osama, one of his sons, a woman used as a shield, and a few others were killed or injured.

If Osama is anything like we've read, there's no way he would have peacefully walked out in handcuffs to await trial in a prison somewhere. The very basis of their (radical islamists) fight is that they will willingly die for their cause. They demand it. I'm not sure what rainbow you're running on, but this never would have ended in a trial.
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
I think the reason he has slightly different skin tone was due to the fact of the blood splatter on his face.
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It's not just a different skin tone, though. The photos have two different resolutions. The top half is sharp and clear and the bottom half is blurry. I don't believe that this is a conspiracy theory of any sort, just a badly photoshopped photo. I saw the site that claimed to have the exclusive on that pic. I also read somewhere that there were no photos taken of Bin Laden's body.
 
kaya'08 said:
Visible line going through the picture of Osama dead as though two pictures where morphed (top half has slightly different skin tone), looks exactly like the picture on the left (the bottom half mouth area just inverted).
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I like how conspiracy theorists think that secret societies and governments have the resources to pull massive hoaxes, but can't use photoshop as well as the people who make Burger King commercials.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
It's not just a different skin tone, though. The photos have two different resolutions. The top half is sharp and clear and the bottom half is blurry. I don't believe that this is a conspiracy theory of any sort, just a badly photoshopped photo. I saw the site that claimed to have the exclusive on that pic. I also read somewhere that there were no photos taken of Bin Laden's body.
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...6-osama-bin-laden-dead-26.html#post1059455354
 
No official photos have been released.
 
Its a confirmed hoax image circulating that's all. Thought i was onto something as well. :(

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With respect to the purported photos circulating on the web, CNN reported, "No decision has yet been made on whether to release the photographs and if so, when and how."

More importantly, CNN added, "A senior national security official told CNN that officials had multiple confirmations that the body was bin Laden's, saying they had the 'ability to run images of the body and the face.'"

Operation was designed to kill bin Laden, source says - CNN.com

IMO, there is virtually no chance that President Obama would have spoken before the U.S. last night if the U.S. didn't have extremely strong evidence that Bin Laden was killed in the raid. Too much would have been at stake.
 
disneydude said:
YouTube - Bush: Truly not concerned about bin Laden (short version) The difference between a President that knows what he is doing....and one who doesn't. Thank you to the US Military...and thank you to President Obama for restoring honor and integrity to the White House and the United States
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Shall you go after Harry for saying the same basic thing Bush was saying?

Harry Guerrilla said:
In my uninformed and speculative opinion, this doesn't matter all that much in the big scheme of things.
A good short term moral boost for people here, but it's likely that he wasn't calling the shots in the local area's of operation.
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Bush, and Obama, shouldn't have been overly concerned about Osama from a militaristic or tactical perspective. The man's ability to actually significantly influence things directly has been utterly and completely neutered. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be concerned from a closure stand point of getting him...and I do believe both were. But from a stand point of "concerned" regarding getting him for our safety or because he's dangerous...no, Bush was right and I think Obama likely felt his sentiments. Osama was not someone to be "concerned" about in that way any longer.

No surprise though that you'll take something and attempt to twist its context to suit your partisan needs during a time like this though. Disney never does let a good situation go to waste for partisan slams. It's what hyperpartisans do.
 
hazlnut said:
The President ordered the mission.

According to reports, Bin Ladin resisted and was shot in the head. DNA was matched to his sister.

I'm trying to understand how Harry can say this was not 'justice'-- as if only justice happens in a court room... that's moronic. (it's an anti-Obama flip-flop, if you ask me...)
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You don't apparently read Harry often. You'd need to actually find some evidence of him "flip flopping" for you to occuse him of it. He'd likely say the exact same thing if Bush ordered this.
 
obvious Child said:
It doesn't matter what we think. It matters what the Arab and Muslim world thinks. An international tribunal with Muslim lawyers prosecuting him would absolutely be a crushing blow to Islamic Radicalism. Only an idiot (and many here) think this can be done by pure military operations. The real war is not on the physical battlefield. It's in the minds of our potential enemies. Israel knows this. It's won almost every war. Has it found real, genuine peace?
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Not sure how far back in history you're going, but Israel as a Jewish land has been destroyed and it's people removed 3 times throughout history. I'm talking, temple demolished, jews moved into servitude or just plain told to leave. A treaty assigns the land to the Jews and calls it Israel in the 40s and they've been fighting against Muslims who claim it is their holy land first...except it wasn't. I wouldn't say they've "won every war" because it's pretty much the same war they've been fighting for 60 years.
 
Laila said:
It does jack ****.

This is just to appease all those Americans and Westerners to try and fool them into believing they are getting anywhere.
You can't cut off the head of a freaking ideology. It does not rest in ONE leader and Bin Laden would have no doubt prepared for his death and assigned his deputies with instruction.

What is even more sad and slightly amusing is no doubt Americans and Westerners are lapping this up like fools thinking they just gave a fatal blow to a ideology.
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It brings a sense of closure to thousands of people who were directly affected by 9/11. That might be "jack ****" to you, but it means something to them. Does lethal injection of a guy who murders your kid really do anything? Does it stop murder? No. Does it bring your kid back? No. Yet it does for many people bring a sense of closure and a sense of finality to the whole situation...and I imagine for many of the people directly affected through the loss or injury of a loved one, or who were the first responders, that this gives a very similar feeling as those situations do.

That might mean "jack ****" to you, but it likely means a hell of a lot to many of them. Will this stop extremism? No. There will still be people on all ends of extremism...from those who physically carry out attacks to those on the lighter end who proclaim the need for retribution killings in America but don't make a peep when the situation occurs in reverse. And Al Qaeda is likely to still continue on as it has been. But because it doesn't change anything operational doesn't mean it doesn't do jack ****.
 
donsutherland1 said:
With respect to the purported photos circulating on the web, CNN reported, "No decision has yet been made on whether to release the photographs and if so, when and how."

More importantly, CNN added, "A senior national security official told CNN that officials had multiple confirmations that the body was bin Laden's, saying they had the 'ability to run images of the body and the face.'"

Operation was designed to kill bin Laden, source says - CNN.com

IMO, there is virtually no chance that President Obama would have spoken before the U.S. last night if the U.S. didn't have extremely strong evidence that Bin Laden was killed in the raid. Too much would have been at stake.
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I agree... But as with the birth certificate, we're going to need to see the official confirmation, death photos etc.. I WANT to see them myself!


Tim-
 
Hugh_Akston said:
A month before the election - maybe. This far out, I don't think so. As happy as most of us are that we finally got bin Laden, him being dead doesn't fix the economy, the spending problem our government has, the devaluing of the dollar, the debt or the albatross that Obamacare is. This will be long forgotten come a year and a half from now.
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After invading Iraq and Afghanistan, none of it fixed the economy, the spending problem our government had, the devaluing of the dollar, the debt, or the albatross that health care has become in our country. But it still worked for Bush.
 
Paschendale said:
I like how conspiracy theorists think that secret societies and governments have the resources to pull massive hoaxes, but can't use photoshop as well as the people who make Burger King commercials.
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HAHAHA i just got pwned. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Dude, i was onto something there. I DID prove it was a hoax at least, even if somebody beat me to it. :D
 
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idk said:
The conspiracy thread is elsewhere, Dr. Analyst. The best thing about a puppet enemy figurehead is that you can eliminate them easily and declare victory. Look what happened to Saddam. The fact that Osama was "left in place" disproves the puppet figurehead theory.
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Really? Your going to tell me how military strategy works? I've devoted years of my life to be trained in this field. Hundreds of hours of study and preparation. And you know more about it than me? Well I need a heart surgeon for my grandma. Do you also know how to do a bypass surgery?
 
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