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Osama Bin Laden is dead

mac said:
you don't drown from swallowing water....
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Water goes into the lungs. That is drowning.

appeal to emotion, try again boo.
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Nothing wrong with a proper emotional appeal, however, I spoke of laws and history. This really should not be a question.
 
Boo Radley said:
Water goes into the lungs. That is drowning.
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That would be inhaling... swallowing goes to the stomach...

Nothing wrong with a proper emotional appeal, however, I spoke of laws and history. This really should not be a question.
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Not when you also deny it. Waterboarding is not torture, except to little girly-men that go to stylists instead of barbers.
 
Andalublue said:
It's not a case of not liking your username, I just think you are in danger of letting your impulse to provoke override your desire to debate. As far as my agenda, well I'm a libertarian socialist. I am critical of US foreign policy in many respects. Ask the Rev, we've butted heads on occasion. My agenda is to maximise rational discussion and minimise posturing and token politics.
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To begin with, don't fret over how my username is going to be accepted. I long ago found that it stimulates debate that would otherwise wouldn't be debated. Don't assume you know what's right and wrong with a username.

I've tried and failed to get an analytical discussion going on the Osama issue on another thread but had to admit that many, many DP posters are not in any mood to analyse until they've got a little triumphalism and schadenfreude out of their systems... and I respect that actually. Several posters here have lost friends and family at the hands of Bin Laden and his crew, many are or have family members serving in the forces. I'm not about to criticise them for feeling a sense of relief, closure, triumph or satisfaction, much as I might have been totally opposed to the Iraq war and the 'War on Terrorism'.
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Let them do their mourning if they like. I have little sympathy for them as it's more a celebration of death than anything else right now. But I'm patient too. I'll be glad to help you debate the issue and my username will probably stimulate more debate than is usual on this forum. Maybe even a bit of intelligent debate which incidentally, I haven't seen much of yet.

To a lot of people, whether they chose it or not, this issue is far more than an internet debate, so however strongly you feel about this issue, show a little restraint and common human understanding rather than just pursuing your intellectual train of thought and damn the consequences. I probably agree with you more than 90% of other people on DP, but there are ways and ways of conducting a debate depending on time and context.
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I'm going to do as I choose within the rules. I don't reallly care all that much about anything else. You need to stop belabouring the issue of my username. Just watch how it is received here and you may be surprised. In the past it's always brought out both the best and the worst in people.

Actually I tire quite quickly of stupid people doing nothing but namecalling, insulting, and doing what makes them look good. Or tough, whatever. I'm not encouraged from what I see here so far. You being the exception. Just stop worrying about my username because it's betraying your feelings to do so.

And for the mods: Fact is I may have already been banned from this forum under a different name. If that's the case and they find I have I won't need to make a decision on whether to stay or leave. Can't help them with my former name though as there have been too many to remember.
 
The reason why I mistake you for American is only because I don't have enough interest in you to remember your name and your country. I could care less. Keep reminding me and I may remember when you become of some consequence to me.
 
The Prof said:
tell it to the inspector general of the cia
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AFAICT, he goes out of his way in his report to say that the efficacy of EITs are not clear and that the length of detainment may have played a factor. He does note that EIT increase the volume of reports coming out of a detainee, but that the quality is a separate matter from the quantity.
 
I'be skipped over about 10 pages of worthless babbling. If anyone had something worthwhile to say to me please repeat it if it's worth repeating. No military posturing please.
 
BTW Mac, you don't inhale water either. Drowning is suffocation. Then the water may or may not enter the lungs.
 
Thanks for the link Simon. I read that carefully before I began here and concluded that it didn't forbid discussion of the fact that Osama could still be alive. If the mods want to push it then that's fine with me. I'll start a thread that centers around the theory that Osama could be alive. I like to play by the rules right up until the mods make it impossible to speak freely.

I do note though that on my very first day a person of your mindset shows up and attempts to censor what he doesn't like to hear. I'm not surprised as it's indicative of the quality of debate here. THis needs to improve and I'll be doing my best to help do that. We don't need trolls who want to keep it on their personal track do we!
 
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ushaditcoming said:
Thanks for the link Simon. I read that carefully before I began here and concluded that it didn't forbid discussion of the fact that Osama could still be alive. If the mods want to push it then that's fine with me. I'll start a thread that centers around the theory that Osama could be alive. I like to play by the rules right up until the mods make it impossible to speak freely.

I do note though that on my very first day a person of your mindset shows up and attempts to censor what he doesn't like to hear. I'm not surprised as it's indicative of the quality of debate here. THis needs to improve and I'll be doing my best to help do that. We don't need trolls who want to keep it on their personal track do we!
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so what was your last username here
 
mac said:
That would be inhaling... swallowing goes to the stomach...



Not when you also deny it. Waterboarding is not torture, except to little girly-men that go to stylists instead of barbers.
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O.O ....... I would see you experience this "non torture".
 
ushaditcoming said:
I do note though that on my very first day a person of your mindset shows up and attempts to censor what he doesn't like to hear.
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^For multiple reasons and on more than one point, I doubt you're correct about w/e you're talking about here. ^
 
BDBoop said:
O.O ....... I would see you experience this "non torture".
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you gonna follow me from thread to thread and heckle? Come on....you can have any, I told you.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
he goes out of his way in his report to say that the efficacy of EITs are not clear
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sorta

the cia's ig report released by doj on the monday preceding august 29, 2009, as reported by wapo, says "his work did not put him in a position to reach definitive conclusions about the effectiveness of particular interrogation methods"

"certain of the techniques," helgerson said in an interview, "seemed to have little effect, whereas waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information, but we didn't have the time or resources to do a careful, systematic analysis of the use of particular techniques with particular individuals and independently confirm the quality of the information that came out"

he's hardly going out of his way in any assertion, either way

the ig, however, also describes a ksm who was extremely resistant ("an avowed and truculent enemy") until he was waterboarded in the month after his capture, when "his spirit was broken," after which he "cooperated, and to an extraordinary extent," conducting "terrorist tutorials" and becoming langley's "preeminent source on aq"

"mohammed was an unparalleled source in deciphering al qaeda's strategic doctrine, key operatives and likely targets"

"detainees in mid 2003 helped us build a list of 70 individuals----many of whom we had never heard of before---that aq deemed suitable for western operations"

"cross-referencing material from different detainees and leveraging information from one to extract more detail from another, the cia and fbi went on to round up operatives both in the united states and abroad"

and that the length of detainment may have played a factor
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no mention of length of stay, not in the ig's report made public by doj in august, 09

He does note that EIT increase the volume of reports coming out of a detainee, but that the quality is a separate matter from the quantity.
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nonsense, not a word goes that way, at least not in wapo's account

How a Detainee Became An Asset - washingtonpost.com
 
You know, as a kid, I had a near drowning experience once. I wouldn't have been able to tell you my own name when it was all going on.
 
ushaditcoming said:
Fact is I may have already been banned from this forum under a different name. If that's the case and they find I have I won't need to make a decision on whether to stay or leave. Can't help them with my former name though as there have been too many to remember.
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My guess is yous had it coming.
 
gekaap said:
You know, as a kid, I had a near drowning experience once. I wouldn't have been able to tell you my own name when it was all going on.
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I'm happy it ended well for you, but I bet you were talkative after you were saved, right?
 
Maybe we should conduct wars with giant nerf guns, and have time outs at outback steak house when one sides flag is captured.....


j-mac
 
The CIA just confirmed that this image is authentic and it provided valuable intel that led to the capture of Osama:

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*sarcasm*
 
Whoa! You were deprived as a child!

This is like asking "what are legos". Or "what are stars wars action figures".


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(Just playing, I'm against "toy guns" and only accept their use in a training environment.)
 
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ecofarm said:
Whoa! You were deprived as a child!

This is like asking "what are legos". Or "what are stars wars action figures".


:eek:ld:


(Just playing, I'm against "toy guns" and only accept their use in a training environment.)
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LOL! What? Come on man, you're kidding right?

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
LOL! What? Come on man, you're kidding right?

j-mac
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I knew somebody like that. Even toy guns with the orange cap thingy's at the end. No doubt her boys did not have a childhood. :D
 
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