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Osama Bin Laden is dead

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Disneydude has been thread banned. Any additional posted messages in this thread subsequent to this announcement will receive 5-point DBAJ infractions.
 
Zyphlin said:
Ah, the Wonderful World of Disney.

The economy and wars happening 2+ years into Obama's Presidency....BUSH'S FAULT. Something occuring 9 months into Bush's term in office....BUSH'S FAULT.

The flat out blaming of 9/11 on Clinton is idiotically narrow focused, but the hypocrisy of your normally narrow focused self when it comes to anything happening under Obama's watch that you can blame on Bush suddenly becoming far more of a wide view when it comes to things happening while Bush was in office is ironic. God forbid there be consistency in your views.
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Oh...how wrong you are Zyph. If you knew me....you would know that I have faulted Obama for continuing Bush's wars. We should have been out of Iraq a long time ago. I disagree with Iraq under Bush...and I disagreed with Iraq under Obama. I initially agreed with Bush on Afghanistan, until he took his eye off the prize. I disagreed with Obama increasing our efforts in Afghanistan and still wonder whether the cause is worth it. I congratulated Bush on capturing Saddam Hussein, who was a horrible man....even though I disagreed that it justified the costs we spent in terms of money and lives...I congratulate Obama on capturing Bin Laden, who was a horrible man, even though I struggle with whether 10 years down the road it was worth the cost.

As for the economy...I have said public that I have been disappointed by Obama's performance on the economy and agree that despite this turn of events, whether or not he is re-elected is going to depend on the state of the economy. I do, fault GWB for the mess that he left this country with....however, I recognize that Obama has done little to improve upon that mess.

Do I fault GWB for 911? No....I never have. I have faulted his response to 911 which I thought and still think was completely inept and idiotic. The closest I have come to saying that GWB was responsible for 911 is to point out to those who want to blame Clinton, that it occurred on GWB's watch, not Clinton's. I don't believe that Bush could have likely prevented 911 and I don't believe for a minute that he was somehow involved in it....

Just setting the record straight.

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disneydude said:
Ah...yes....the blame Clinton card, although 911 occurred well into Bush's watch.....
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And the first WTC bombing, the USS Cole, and 5 other attacks that AQ took credit for, led by Osama, took place under Clinton's.
 
tessaesque said:
And the first WTC bombing, the USS Cole, and 5 other attacks that AQ took credit for, led by Osama, took place under Clinton's.
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I actually lived in Brooklyn when the first bombing went off. Those guys went to jail. Oh the guys building another bomb in my Brooklyn neighborhood also got busted.
 
mac said:
Do you really believe this crap? I'm all about giving President Obama the credit for making the decision to go....Clinton and Carter probably wouldn't have....but come on....that crap is just crybaby partisan nonsense. President Obama didn't DO it.
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Had it not been a success, and it been aborted or resulted in casualties, you would have blamed President Obama. You would have said, Obama is an incompetent Commander-in-Chief, he approved the mission, etc. etc. You wouldn't have said, its not his fault, its the military's fault for the mission. You can't have it both ways, blame him if it goes wrong and then deny him credit if it goes right. He gets credit, he approved the mission, he was involved. And anyways he deserves credit for setting the agenda, making finding Bin Laden the number one priority on the War on Terror and not making Iraq the number one priority.
 
Opteron said:
Had it not been a success, and it been aborted or resulted in casualties, you would have blamed President Obama. You would have said, Obama is an incompetent Commander-in-Chief, he approved the mission, etc. etc. You wouldn't have said, its not his fault, its the military's fault for the mission. You can't have it both ways, blame him if it goes wrong and then deny him credit if it goes right. He gets credit, he approved the mission, he was involved. And anyways he deserves credit for setting the agenda, making finding Bin Laden the number one priority on the War on Terror and not making Iraq the number one priority.
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If the mission had failed we probably would have heard very, very little about it.
 
Opteron said:
Had it not been a success, and it been aborted or resulted in casualties, you would have blamed President Obama. You would have said, Obama is an incompetent Commander-in-Chief, he approved the mission, etc. etc. You wouldn't have said, its not his fault, its the military's fault for the mission. You can't have it both ways, blame him if it goes wrong and then deny him credit if it goes right. He gets credit, he approved the mission, he was involved. And anyways he deserves credit for setting the agenda, making finding Bin Laden the number one priority on the War on Terror and not making Iraq the number one priority.
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I disagree on one point. I don't think that finding OBL was any greater a priority than any other President's would be. But he is the man occupying the chair so he gets the credit. I don't care as long as OBL has been got.

j-mac
 
tessaesque said:
If the mission had failed we probably would have heard very, very little about it.
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It would have been on every single right wing blog and used as political fodder.
 
For the record, I was never blaming Clinton. I was extending the logic of the statements of others here, specifically the "if Bush hadn't dropped the ball Obama wouldn't have had to...." arguments. I was also making a point regarding selective memory.
 
winston53660 said:
It would have been on every single right wing blog and used as political fodder.
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You mean like how sites like Daily KOS, and Media Matters, etc treated Bush? Awwww, cry me a river.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
You mean like how sites like Daily KOS, and Media Matters, etc treated Bush? Awwww, cry me a river.

j-mac
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Yep that is exactly what I mean:cool:
 
winston53660 said:
It would have been on every single right wing blog and used as political fodder.
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I'm sure there are quite a few failed missions that took place under Bush that we have heard jack squat about. It would be strategically idiotic to share our failures with the general public. It shows our weaknesses and gives the enemy an advantage we can't afford.
 
tessaesque said:
I'm sure there are quite a few failed missions that took place under Bush that we have heard jack squat about. It would be strategically idiotic to share our failures with the general public. It shows our weaknesses and gives the enemy an advantage we can't afford.
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Are you kidding me? We heard about every crappy thing that happened in Iraq ad nauseam via left wing blogs.
 
kaya'08 said:
Visible line going through the picture of Osama dead as though two pictures where morphed (top half has slightly different skin tone), looks exactly like the picture on the left (the bottom half mouth area just inverted).
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Ears look mirrored too
 
winston53660 said:
Are you kidding me? We heard about every crappy thing that happened in Iraq ad nauseam via left wing blogs.
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Oh? Every single thing? And every report was 100% cross-checked for veracity? And nothing new was learned via the document dumps on Wikileaks? And we can confirm with 100% certainty that everything that went wrong was revealed?
 
tessaesque said:
Oh? Every single thing? And every report was 100% cross-checked for veracity? And nothing new was learned via the document dumps on Wikileaks? And we can confirm with 100% certainty that everything that went wrong was revealed?
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Well maybe not everything double checked and what not:3oops:

But enough and pontificating to point I wanted to puke!
 
j-mac said:
Bush is not what the thread is about. If you hate mongers of Bush are so all consumed, I suggest you start a thread covering that topic, as for this one it is about OBL being killed. Not Blaming Bush as you so love to do.

j-mac
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I agree. ANYONE who even bring Bush up regarding this is a HUUUUUUUGE fool. Bush did a good job. He also ****ed up. But he did a good job protecting the US. Obama did a great service on attacking what he did.

BOTH have done a great job protecting this Nation. Actually Obama has kept in place many Bush era war strategys.
 
Torture can be as much of a success as it can be a failure. Some people will say anything to stop the pain, others will just realize it will continue again later if they dont tell the truth now. Fact is torture was the reason we had this lead.
 
Temporal said:
Why am I still seeing conflicting stories about how Osama died? People are still saying he died of a lung infection of some kind.

Is the U.S. claiming victory for for a death that was actually due to natural causes?
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Why are we still getting conflicting stories about the demise of Elvis? People are still saying he's alive in the Caribbean.
 
Torture works as far as the person is a sellout. Someone sold the guy out :shrug:
 
kaya'08 said:
Torture can be as much of a success as it can be a failure. Some people will say anything to stop the pain, others will just realize it will continue again later if they dont tell the truth now. Fact is torture was the reason we had this lead.
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That, and the fact we decided to do this UNILATERALLY.

I give Obama props for forgoing his previously stated "principles" entirely and allowing our intelligence operations to get this job done. He and Bush should have a beer together.
 
Erod said:
That, and the fact we decided to do this UNILATERALLY.

I give Obama props for forgoing his previously stated "principles" entirely and allowing our intelligence operations to get this job done. He and Bush should have a beer together.
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Why is everybody congratulating Bush? Was the lead established under his administration?
 
kaya'08 said:
Why is everybody congratulating Bush? Was the lead established under his administration?
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Yes. In 2006 the courier that would eventually be the key to finding Osama's whereabouts was identified based on evidence collected from enemy combatants detained under Bush's leadership.
 
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