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UtahBill said:
which part of this pristine wilderness is being plundered? I will have to find it again, but seems I read that the scenic parts aren't being considered for drilling. Most land based oil wells are on flat plains.
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I think our efforts will be better spent developing alternatives to burning finite fossil fuels.
 
vote obama, 2012!

ascending gas prices will discourage excess travel!

no wonder the slasher's economic approvals are 20 points below, americans are ON to him

seeya at the polls, progressives
 
Catawba said:
I think our efforts will be better spent developing alternatives to burning finite fossil fuels.
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However, You don't have one thing that is viable enough to replace it. So your plan is to choke off economic prosperity, and strangling the middle, and poor classes with abusive tax, and price with NOTHING to fit your utopian view of what should be. It is poorly thought out, and a failure. It reminds me of the guy who wants to remodel the kitchen, so instead of going out and pricing everything he needs to make a plan to do it, he just takes the sledge hammer and starts swinging.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
However, You don't have one thing that is viable enough to replace it. So your plan is to choke off economic prosperity, and strangling the middle, and poor classes with abusive tax, and price with NOTHING to fit your utopian view of what should be. It is poorly thought out, and a failure. It reminds me of the guy who wants to remodel the kitchen, so instead of going out and pricing everything he needs to make a plan to do it, he just takes the sledge hammer and starts swinging.

j-mac
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Obama put the sledgehammer back in his holster. He is going back to the policies that got us here in the first place.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703712504576232481675369892.html
 
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more subsidies to "alternative energies"? that's his brand new idea? more of what has failed for a decade?

:roll: hooray.

dollars to doughnuts that - unlike his claims that he would expand drilling - he at least actually means this?
 
UtahBill said:
Obama didn't beat McCain as much as McCain sabotaged his own campaign. I think Romney could have beat Obama, but it was McCain's turn at bat.
The GOP needs a new strategy, one that involves new blood, new thinking. Old is so passe'.:2razz:
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Marco Rubio - I really think it will happen.
 
Catawba said:
We all vote for whom we consider to be the lesser of evils. Who's your favorite to win the short straw draw on the GOP side to have to run against Obama this time?
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Mitch Daniels.

from earlier in this thread, actually:



Mitch Daniels Executive Career as Governor of Indiana is Impressive. When Daniels took office, the state had an $800-million deficit. He turned that into a $1.3-billion surplus. He reduced the growth in government from over 5% a year to 2.8% a year, and reduced the state workforce by 18%. He cut property taxes and moved to shift the state onto a consumption tax. The state of Indiana is now sitting on a nice big fat emergency fund, and - as other states are increasingly desperate to cover increasingly dangerous budget gaps - Indiana is trying to figure out how to refund it's tax surplus back to the taxpayers.

he's also successfully demonstrated how to reform healthcare with Indiana's state employees: Hoosiers and HSA's

...The HSA option has proven highly popular. This year, over 70% of our 30,000 Indiana state workers chose it, by far the highest in public-sector America... State employees enrolled in the consumer-driven plan will save more than $8 million in 2010 compared to their coworkers in the old-fashioned preferred provider organization (PPO) alternative. In the second straight year in which we've been forced to skip salary increases, workers switching to the HSA are adding thousands of dollars to their take-home pay... In a time of severe budgetary stress, Indiana will save at least $20 million in 2010 because of our high HSA enrollment. Mercer calculates the state's total costs are being reduced by 11% solely due to the HSA option..
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and now he's reforming entitlements in his state in the sameway: Medicaid Meets Health Savings Accounts in Indiana. The CATO guys are furious because they're worried that Daniels Reforms will work TOO well:

...I support HSAs because they allow workers to reclaim control over a portion of their health-care dollars, and I support expanding them so workers can control all their health-care dollars. Within the context of Medicaid, however, the advantages of HSAs are actually a problem. Medicaid is welfare. By offering Medicaid enrollees the freedom and opportunity for wealth accumulation that HSAs create, the Daniels plan makes Medicaid more attractive...
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In addition, Daniels pulled off what took Walker a month and a nightmare on his very first day in office. He just passed a state-wide school voucher program, is set to end Medicaid coverage for Planned Parenthood, in a move that will leave Indiana with some of the nations' tightest restrictions on Abortion.



The attack will be, what a hard core, conservative right winger, right? Sure he's could pick up the nomination, but he could never win a general; certainly he's turned off the moderates, the independents, and so forth?

Nope. Daniels won reelection in 2008 - the year of the Democratic sweep - by 18 points, even as his state voted for Obama He picked up 20% of the black vote and won the under-30 vote by 7 points.
 
American said:
No, but the liberals fought oil drilling even under Bush. Remember "Drill baby drill", and how you guys said oh it will be ten years before you see a drop. Well had we started we'd be a lot closer by now, not to mention no one ever provided evidence it would take ten years.
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hmmm.... gosh... if we'd started drilling in 2001... and it takes ten years to get everything fully up and running...


....hmmm..... 2001 plus 10.......
 
j-mac said:
However, You don't have one thing that is viable enough to replace it.
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Probably why we shouldn't have sit around for the last 40 years with our oiled thumbs up our butts than, huh?


So your plan is to choke off economic prosperity, and strangling the middle, and poor classes with abusive tax, and price with NOTHING to fit your utopian view of what should be. It is poorly thought out, and a failure. It reminds me of the guy who wants to remodel the kitchen, so instead of going out and pricing everything he needs to make a plan to do it, he just takes the sledge hammer and starts swinging.
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It wasn't my plan. I voted for the guy who had an energy plan 30 years ago that would have prevented, or lessened the energy crisis we face now of our own making. :sun
 
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cpwill said:
hmmm.... gosh... if we'd started drilling in 2001... and it takes ten years to get everything fully up and running...


....hmmm..... 2001 plus 10.......
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2025, or thereabouts, using "new" math.....
 
cpwill said:
Mitch Daniels.
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Little wonder you like Mitch Daniels, on ALL these issues, he is a Bush clone:

"No stem-cell research; private funds ok for adult stem cells. (Nov 2008)"

"Growth-friendly tax cuts reverse Indiana’s economic decline. (Nov 2006)"

"No same-sex marriage nor civil unions. (Nov 2008)"

"No affirmative action in public college admissions. (Nov 2008)"

"Reduce corporate income tax; cut and cap property tax. (Nov 2008)"

"Support the death penalty. (Nov 2008)"

"Prevent recidivism with vocational training & alternatives. (Nov 2008)"

"Lift backward-looking limits on charter schools. (Jan 2010)"

"Support vouchers for public schools. (Nov 2008)"

"No limits on individual nor PAC campaign contributions. (Nov 2008)"
Mitch Daniels on the Issues
 
Catawba said:
Little wonder you like Mitch Daniels, on ALL these issues, he is a Bush clone:

"No stem-cell research; private funds ok for adult stem cells. (Nov 2008)"

"Growth-friendly tax cuts reverse Indiana’s economic decline. (Nov 2006)"

"No same-sex marriage nor civil unions. (Nov 2008)"

"No affirmative action in public college admissions. (Nov 2008)"

"Reduce corporate income tax; cut and cap property tax. (Nov 2008)"

"Support the death penalty. (Nov 2008)"

"Prevent recidivism with vocational training & alternatives. (Nov 2008)"

"Lift backward-looking limits on charter schools. (Jan 2010)"

"Support vouchers for public schools. (Nov 2008)"

"No limits on individual nor PAC campaign contributions. (Nov 2008)"
Mitch Daniels on the Issues
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Mitch is the smarter clone of Bush.
 
Mitch is the social conservative George Bush was, but with the interesting ability to turn a deficit into a surplus instead of the other way around.
 
but hey, keep the Oppo research posts coming. the more you guys reach for something to hurl at the guy, the more I become convinced he would be virtually unbeatable against Obama.
 
cpwill said:
but hey, keep the Oppo research posts coming. the more you guys reach for something to hurl at the guy, the more I become convinced he would be virtually unbeatable against Obama.
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Hmmmm...

I think I'll leave it to the constituents in Indiana to tell the Mitch Daniels story. Some of the commentary is very interesting like this one which seems to be the biggest hurtle he'd have to climb:

I believe that Mitch Daniels will have to explain how he and others in the Bush Administration managed to burn through several trillion dollars, which was the surplus left to them by the Clinton Administration.
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I think the poster has his/her figures wrong, but still..

All I can say is if he does decide to run, it'll be interesting...
 
Catawba said:
Probably why we shouldn't have sit around for the last 40 years with our oiled thumbs up our butts than, huh?
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Couldda, Wouldda, Shouldda! But didn't. So now your plan is to end using oil, with nothing to replace it....Great plan....Screw the poor people while at the same time saying your for the poor....Wonder how long the lies will be bought.

It wasn't my plan. I voted for the guy who had an energy plan 30 years ago that would have prevented, or lessened the energy crisis we face now of our own making.
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So what! What does that do right now? I'll tell ya....NOTHING! We could have moved on nuke tech. 30 years ago but you libs, and tree hugging stopped that didn't it? This is a problem aggravated by liberals from beginning to end. You should own it instead of pointing fingers, and bitching about what could have been.

j-mac
 
Dirty Harry said:
I do believe they are running a deficit now
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Actually Indiana is sitting on such a large surplus they are now trying to figure out how to give it back.

and with Indiana's high unemployment rate it is certain to get higher.
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what? A) at 8.5 Indiana's unemployment rate is below the national average and B) it is dropping, though like the rest of the country not as fast as many would like and C) they had a surplus when it was higher.



Perhaps you were thinking of Illinois?
 
Objective Voice said:
Hmmmm...

I think I'll leave it to the constituents in Indiana to tell the Mitch Daniels story. Some of the commentary is very interesting like this one which seems to be the biggest hurtle he'd have to climb:
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:lamo


Daniels left the Bush administration in June of 2003. He was working for others then, but the deficit was less than a tenth of what it is now under Obama. THEN as an actual EXECUTIVE he turned a deficit into a surplus.

Seriously, if the "highest hurdle" that people can throw at Mitch Daniels is to try to tie him back to George Bush in 2003, ya'll are in real trouble. :)
 
j-mac said:
Couldda, Wouldda, Shouldda! But didn't.
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Another that believe actions don't have consequences.


So now your plan is to end using oil, with nothing to replace it....Great plan....
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Its not my plan. My plan was to develop alternatives to oil before the world peaked in oil production. I was out voted when the people decided to go with the actor's plan - don't worry, be happy and party like its 1959!!!

How's that plan working out for ya? :sun
 
Catawba said:
How's that plan working out for ya?
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it got us the biggest wave election since 1938

obama says he wants to bankrupt coal/electrical

his energy secretary pines for 8 dollar gas

his interior secretary says don't drill even at $10

vote obama, 2012!

know the man
 
The Prof said:
it got us the biggest wave election since 1938

obama says he wants to bankrupt coal/electrical

his energy secretary pines for 8 dollar gas

his interior secretary says don't drill even at $10

vote obama, 2012!

know the man
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Who are we supposed to vote for? The democrats suck but the republicans totally ****ed up the world when they were running things.
 
cpwill said:
Actually Indiana is sitting on such a large surplus they are now trying to figure out how to give it back.



what? A) at 8.5 Indiana's unemployment rate is below the national average and B) it is dropping, though like the rest of the country not as fast as many would like and C) they had a surplus when it was higher.



Perhaps you were thinking of Illinois?
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Maybe they should pay down their debt. Remember when Bush gave the surplus back and ended up doubling the debt.

http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Indiana_state_budget
 
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