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Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

YAAAAAY CAPITALISM!

THAT's why the us senate hasn't produced a budget in 700 hundred days?

LOL!

it's your move, harry

if you don't do SOMETHING our big 3 entitlements will expire

that's how SUCCESSFUL they are

and every two weeks costs us another 60 billion we don't have

hurry
 
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Not me, isn't it just as strange for YOU to believe YOUR scientists when they tell you its NOT us?

Same thing, innit? (Except for the whole fossil fuel industry motive for deception thing)

Basin' one's opinions on those damn lyin' scientists?

We should torture them to find out which ones are lying.

(I like the whole idea of electric vehicles, so I hope its your guys):2wave:

History (as opposed to the hysteria preached by those seeking the global warming green dollars) teaches us that climate change is the norm for the planet and has been and always will be the case.
 
High school dropouts....they are choosing to be poor, and are too ignorant to realize it...

Not only that, they're coddled and praised in their worthlessness, by deadbeat parents, the media, Hollywood, and none other than President Obama, Champion of Bums. Today in America, it's 'cool' for kids to be bums. America is becoming of nation of bums. 'BUMVILLE' COMETH TO A TOWN NEAR YOU.
 
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Drilling in the gulf or ANWR ain't gonna bring the price of gas down.

it will, in two ways. firstly, it will increase supply, though marginally. secondly, it will signal to futures traders that supply will be increasing in the future, and dampen speculations current upward-bias. Admittedly this isn't going to knock us back down to $2.00 a gallon gas. Which is why we should also tap the Rockies (where we have more gas than Saudi Arabia does), both Coastlines, and open up our natural gas reserves to take over as many functions currently served by oil as they can. We have the largest energy reserves in the world, and pretending like unleashing them won't have an effect on price is... well, let's just say that such would violate nearly everything we have learned about economics.

Capitalize product names in your posts in order to prevent misunderstandings.

well I apologize and promise in the future to try not to assume a particular reading comprehension level.

lithium batteries have dropped in price by two-third since I first started pricing packs.

good for them. perhaps one day they will become an economically viable alternative to gas engines.

but currently they are not.

f it wasn't for all those silly rich people and their toys, Ford would have had no demand for his product

actually you are incorrect. Ford had the success that he did because he managed to drop the price of the automobile enough to make it accessible to the middle class.

And you never came up with a cite for your 1894 date(no typo).

you are correct, thanks for catching that for me. In the course of sourcing this for you, I should pointout that it turns out I was wrong. Apparently oil alarmists have been predicting that We Would Run Out Any Day Now since the 1860's.

In 1859, just after the Colonel Drake Well was drilled in Titusville, Pennsylvania, due to shortages of the illuminant camphene and shortages caused by the Civil War, the price of oil shot to US$15 per barrel, which, in today’s terms, would be over US$1,000. By autumn of 1861, following a race for production and the 3,000-barrel-per-day (bbp) Empire Well, the price plunged to 10 cents a barrel – US$7 in today’s terms. Four years later, newspapers in eastern US were printing stories about running out of oil.

Predictions of the future supply of petroleum have typically been far less veracious than those of demand. Flawed predictions have caused public bewilderment, distrust and, more importantly, government inaction or poorly conceived reactions. A constant theme, from the very infancy of the industry at the turn of the 19th century, has been that the world is running out of oil...

In the past, Campbell or his disciples have forecast the oil peak down to the year or even the day only to push back the fateful moment. In 1997, Campbell said it would occur in 2001. Now, he says total production, which includes oil from deep-water wells and fuel derived from natural gases, will reach its height sometime after 2010.

Kenneth Deffeyes, a geologist and professor emeritus at Princeton University, first pinpointed Nov. 24, 2005, as the peak- oil date and then revised it to Dec. 16, 2005...

No one knows for sure how much oil the world has. That's a big question mark because the peaksters say production will max out once half of the oil has been pumped. So far, we've extracted about 1 trillion barrels in all. In 2000, the U.S. Geological Survey estimated global resources at 3 trillion barrels, enough to push peak production out to 2037, according to the EIA...

Predictions of an imminent oil famine are as old as the industry itself. When production at the first U.S. wells, located in western Pennsylvania, began to decline in the late 19th century, some people predicted the country would soon run out of oil....


On the subject of alternative energy and transportation, your propaganda is showing.

i dont' care what kind of energy we use. frankly, i think some of the alternates sound neat. all i care about is that it is cost effective.

which is what i want you to demonstrate. what - TODAY - is a similarly plentiful and reliable energy source with a superior cost-effectiveness to oil?
 
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Well, we should be saying that combating pollution is a good thing no matter if global warming is a massive left-wing conspiracy to bankrupt the coal companies and usher in a socialist utopia or not. The partisan rhetoric going on here is insane. I am literally convinced that if Obama woke up tomorrow and said "I changed my mind, global warming is a hoax" some people here would suddenly change sides.

Can't we just agree that less pollution is a good thing? Global warming or not, if you think car exhaust is good, go breathe it for 5 minutes and tell me how that works out for you.

Thats been my position since long before Al Gore burst out at and onto the seams. We need to be developing clean energy and more efficient fuel sources. I personally get disgusted every time I have go into a city thats covered by a layer of yellow and grey crap that people are breathing.
 
{{sigh}} I want a president who says, "I'll do my best to make sure we have enough cheap energy that you can drive what you want and keep your homes at 72 degrees all yr long if you want. I don't give a hoot if other countries like it or not. My job is to serve you, the American people. We will start the process of using our own natural resources and we will start today".
Something like that anyway. I'm sick of a president who's idea of improving things is cramming us into socialized transportation, or onto bicycles. Our President should have bigger dreams than that for the country.

Easy then, just travel back in time to a period when we were not nearing the end of cheap oil without preparing for it for the 40 years we've known for sure it was coming. :sun
 
Easy then, just travel back in time to a period when we were not nearing the end of cheap oil without preparing for it for the 40 years we've known for sure it was coming. :sun

Don't have to, we could exploit our own energy.

j-mac
 
 
anybody can do what you are doing

yup, bad news is in your face and ubiquitous

vote obama, 2012!

half those he hamped have already redefaulted!

more complaints?

yup, inflation, the dollar, qe, debt, entitlements, pensions, drill bans, a 1.8% gdp...

no budget in 700 days

libya, afghanistan, iran, china, palestine, the broader middle east, the cartels...

seeya at the polls, progressives
 
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existing home sales and new home sales near record lows, construction stymied, millions more foreclosures on the horizon, up to 1/3 of us homes upside down, fears of a DOUBLE DIP, fannie and fred to cost the taxpayer up to a half T...

vote for obama, 2012!

no big deal!
 
It's going to get worse before it gets better. But the problem is not ONLY Obama. The problem is more systemic than political.
 
existing home sales and new home sales near record lows, construction stymied, millions more foreclosures on the horizon, up to 1/3 of us homes upside down, fears of a DOUBLE DIP, fannie and fred to cost the taxpayer up to a half T..

When was it that the housing market tanked again?

LOL

better get george on the line

(I think I've figured it out -- The Prof is William Shatner).
 
Don't have to, we could exploit our own energy.

j-mac

Remember, we scrapped the plan for energy independence 40 years ago when we elected the actor for president. :sun
 
yup, bad news is in your face and ubiquitous

vote obama, 2012!

half those he hamped have already redefaulted!



yup, inflation, the dollar, qe, debt, entitlements, pensions, drill bans, a 1.8% gdp...

no budget in 700 days

libya, afghanistan, iran, china, palestine, the broader middle east, the cartels...

seeya at the polls, progressives

all except lybia were there before Obama. who ya gonna call, George W.? so far, the GOP is offering up bait, they'll switch later if they want to win...
 
Remember, we scrapped the plan for energy independence 40 years ago when we elected the actor for president. :sun

Who scrapped it? Are you sure about that? Or am I in store for yet more skewed eco talking points?


j-mac
 
Raygun scrapped it, gutted it, belittled it...the one thing that Carter got right had to be done away with. He had one major success, tho, we use a lot less bunker oil to generate electricity than before Carter got involved...
even as I type this, I know some far right DEM hater here in DP will post and deny that Carter did anything right....
 
John Warner: Jimmy Carter Was Right

"It took 30 years, but Jimmy Carter finally has gotten recognition for the wisdom of his energy policies. Speaking on Science Friday, Senator John Warner, a Republican from Virginia who first entered the Senate during Carter’s term in office, said that Jimmy Carter “was right” when he called for a massive program of energy conservation and alternative energy research." - Republican John Warner
 
Raygun scrapped it, gutted it, belittled it...the one thing that Carter got right had to be done away with. He had one major success, tho, we use a lot less bunker oil to generate electricity than before Carter got involved...
even as I type this, I know some far right DEM hater here in DP will post and deny that Carter did anything right....


I wouldn't say that Carter was a total failure, he managed to endear himself to a generation of sycophant Marxist wanna be's....Even though he damn near achieved the, US self loathing libs wet dream of destroying America back then, he didn't count on the American people being smart enough to see through his plans, and tossing him out on his ear after one term.

As for Reagan's energy policies, what you and Cat are asserting are false. It is true enough that Reagan tried to increase Nuclear energy, to which demo's blocked at every turn, he also deregulated the oil, and coal industries increasing domestic production.

Department of Energy -


j-mac
 
John Warner: Jimmy Carter Was Right

"It took 30 years, but Jimmy Carter finally has gotten recognition for the wisdom of his energy policies. Speaking on Science Friday, Senator John Warner, a Republican from Virginia who first entered the Senate during Carter’s term in office, said that Jimmy Carter “was right” when he called for a massive program of energy conservation and alternative energy research." - Republican John Warner

see, what did I say? wait, John Warner, a republican, giving credit to a democrat? Is the world ending?
 
see, what did I say? wait, John Warner, a republican, giving credit to a democrat? Is the world ending?

Both parties have politicans that give their nod to progressives...So?

j-mac
 
I wouldn't say that Carter was a total failure, he managed to endear himself to a generation of sycophant Marxist wanna be's....Even though he damn near achieved the, US self loathing libs wet dream of destroying America back then, he didn't count on the American people being smart enough to see through his plans, and tossing him out on his ear after one term.

As for Reagan's energy policies, what you and Cat are asserting are false. It is true enough that Reagan tried to increase Nuclear energy, to which demo's blocked at every turn, he also deregulated the oil, and coal industries increasing domestic production.

Department of Energy -


j-mac

he did not deregulate oil industries, he only deregulated oil prices...
stay up....
 
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