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Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

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Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

A different version of this story was posted, but I want to post this for some information it provides, that I hadn't heard before.

On April 4 in Faryab province of northwest Afghanistan, a man wearing an Afghan border police uniform shot and killed two American military personnel. NATO intelligence officials said the shooter was upset over the recent burning of the Quran at a Florida church. The Quran burning, which Karzai denounced, also was the impetus for angry protesters to storm a U.N. compound in Masar-i-Sharif on April 1 and kill four Nepalese guards and three international U.N. staffers.

This part made my blood boil. Pastor Jones has American blood on his hands. Now, I don't want to give any more attention to that d**k, but the point I want to drive home is that his speech directly caused the death of 2 American servicemen.
 
I don't support legislation banning whatever Pastor Jones did. But it clearly wasn't a good idea and didn't help.
 
[...] his speech directly caused the death of 2 American servicemen.

No, it was indirect. The shooter directly killed.

Not defending the pastor, he's a dumbass, but he didn't actually kill anybody... the afghan ****wad did.
 
No, it was indirect. The shooter directly killed.

Not defending the pastor, he's a dumbass, but he didn't actually kill anybody... the afghan ****wad did.

What part of Virginia are you from?
 
I don't support legislation banning whatever Pastor Jones did. But it clearly wasn't a good idea and didn't help.

I don't either, I'd have liked to see some court action however. I wouldn't mind if the families of those servicemen sued Jones.
 
No, it was indirect. The shooter directly killed.

Not defending the pastor, he's a dumbass, but he didn't actually kill anybody... the afghan ****wad did.

That's a good point. In any case I wanted to cement the causal link between Jones and the death of those 2 Americans, and that seems pretty undeniable in this scenario.
 
I don't either, I'd have liked to see some court action however. I wouldn't mind if the families of those servicemen sued Jones.

They could try; i'm not sure how far they would get and what basis a judge would have for ruling in their favor. It's not exactly the same thing as yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.
 
They could try; i'm not sure how far they would get and what basis a judge would have for ruling in their favor. It's not exactly the same thing as yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.

It isn't, but I think it'd be a good opportunity for the courts to establish that inciting others to riot and an immediate breach of the peace can take place in more than the immediate vicinity. More than that, in this case, there was clear concern that these specific actions could result in American casualties.
 
why are we there? I asked the same question when Bush was in office? Let them have that stink hole..


Tim-
 
why are we there? I asked the same question when Bush was in office? Let them have that stink hole..


Tim-

If we pull out now, who knows what the consequences might be. Hence why policymakers should take heed and learn the lessons of my sig line.
 
If we pull out now, who knows what the consequences might be. Hence why policymakers should take heed and learn the lessons of my sig line.

I don't care about Afghanistan, or Iraq (not anymore) or Libya.. A stronger intelligence pressence, perhaps, but troops?


I like your sigline though.


Tim-
 
I don't either, I'd have liked to see some court action however. I wouldn't mind if the families of those servicemen sued Jones.
Do you also think that someone drawing a cartoon about a religious figure should be actionable?

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I think Playboy should do a spread with women in hijabs.
Then let's have mass demonstrations burning Allah in effigy.
Then school bonfires burning the Quran.

Perhaps then we'll have some laws that prohibit these senseless hate demonstrations when our soldiers are in-country. Don't like giving up what you perceive as your right to free speech? Feel free to pick up a rifle and join the other American soldiers who are giving their lives and limbs protecting your right to be an asshole.
 
Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

A different version of this story was posted, but I want to post this for some information it provides, that I hadn't heard before.



This part made my blood boil. Pastor Jones has American blood on his hands. Now, I don't want to give any more attention to that d**k, but the point I want to drive home is that his speech directly caused the death of 2 American servicemen.

He can't say he wasn't warned..
 
I don't support legislation banning whatever Pastor Jones did. But it clearly wasn't a good idea and didn't help.

There is a difference between doing this, because he is putting our military at risk... If everybody in America started doing this **** to provoke our enemies and endanger the lives of our service members, then something would have to happen. This asshole is basically inciting the murder of the very people risking their lives for his freedom.
 
I think Playboy should do a spread with women in hijabs.
Then let's have mass demonstrations burning Allah in effigy.
Then school bonfires burning the Quran.

Perhaps then we'll have some laws that prohibit these senseless hate demonstrations when our soldiers are in-country. Don't like giving up what you perceive as your right to free speech? Feel free to pick up a rifle and join the other American soldiers who are giving their lives and limbs protecting your right to be an asshole.

playboy-islam-muslim-bikini-magazin.jpg
 
No, it was indirect. The shooter directly killed.

Not defending the pastor, he's a dumbass, but he didn't actually kill anybody... the afghan ****wad did.

I am tired of people saying, "so and so didn't pull the trigger."

Well, no **** Sherlock. Nobody is saying he pulled the trigger, we are saying he is accountable for his role and nothing else.
 
Why not blame the press for giving so much attention to the guy?

I'm not for banning such things; I believe crap like that should just be ignored. Maybe if journalists were a little more responsible, he would be. That some nut wants to burn a book, whatever it is, isn't really pressing news in any context IMO. So if you want to hold the pastor accountable in any way for these deaths, throw in those that gave him his platform too.
 
This guy makes the Westboro Baptist Church look like John Lennon
 
Why not blame the press for giving so much attention to the guy?

I'm not for banning such things; I believe crap like that should just be ignored. Maybe if journalists were a little more responsible, he would be. That some nut wants to burn a book, whatever it is, isn't really pressing news in any context IMO. So if you want to hold the pastor accountable in any way for these deaths, throw in those that gave him his platform too.

Why not blame.... why not blame?

Why not just hold everybody accountable for their role?
 
I am tired of people saying, "so and so didn't pull the trigger."

Well, no **** Sherlock. Nobody is saying he pulled the trigger, we are saying he is accountable for his role and nothing else.

don't cry at me if I hold a different opinion of accountability than you. see my above post too... I'm sure you want to laws to constrain freedom of the press too, huh?
 
If journalists were better at their job, then this wouldn't have happened... :lamo

I am sorry, but that's a bad defense. The guy shouldn't burn holy books of any religion. He is a religious leader... he should pray for the troops, not put them in danger, and he show everybody in his community the kindness and love of Christ equally.
 
What I don't get is why Pastor Jones burned the Koran not once, but twice. He had said after the first time that the Koran had been judged and that he wouldn't do it again. Then a few months later he went and did it again.
 
don't cry at me if I hold a different opinion of accountability than you. see my above post too... I'm sure you want to laws to constrain freedom of the press too, huh?

Cry.... is the Conservative rebuttal to everything? I am not crying. I am standing up and saying want I think is right.
 
Why not blame.... why not blame?

Why not just hold everybody accountable for their role?

so what's your standard then? how exactly do you know everything that contributed. by that ridiculous argument, you might as well hold islam accountable as well.

I don't accept that approach.
 
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