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Obama to speak on birth certificate

gekaap said:
What are you talking about? Get in touch with reality. This is mind numbing. I can't believe you're sitting here and arguing what the definition of is is.
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You are my friend. I'm tired of it.
 
SheWolf said:
Again, she was talking about Putin traveling to America.
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like most lefties, you have completely misunderstood that statement.

By "Putin", she means the Bear aircraft. Not the man himself.

If that isn't obvious to you by now then it never will be.
 
Ron Mars said:
like most lefties, you have completely misunderstood that statement.

By "Putin", she means the Bear aircraft. Not the man himself.

If that isn't obvious to you by now then it never will be.
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She is citing her foreign policy experience... She has no damn reason to even mention those planes, as she has nothing to do with the US Air Force. If she meant to say Bear aircraft, she should have said what she meant to say. I am not stupid because she can't speak intelligibly.

Couric: Have you ever been involved in any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?

Palin: We have trade missions back and forth, we do. It's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska.
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So this Bear aircraft stuff qualifies as a "trade mission"? You're just making up excuses for her stupidity... lol
 
She didn't mean Putin... she meant something entirely different than Putin, and you can clear that up. That's the worst spin and attempt at an excuse ever. I am sorry, but I am being honest.
 
SheWolf said:
She is citing her foreign policy experience... She has no damn reason to even mention those planes, as she has nothing to do with the US Air Force. If she meant to say Bear aircraft, she should have said what she meant to say. I am not stupid because she can't speak intelligibly.
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You must be pulling my leg. You're not stupid, just terribly ill informed.

Do you really not know that Alaska National Guard, including the Air NG, is under the control of the Governor of each state?

SheWolf said:
So this Bear aircraft stuff qualifies as a "trade mission"? You're just making up excuses for her stupidity... lol
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Palin is not stupid. You should be saying the same thing about 0bama because he thinks there are at least 57 states.
 
SheWolf said:
She didn't mean Putin... she meant something entirely different than Putin, and you can clear that up. That's the worst spin and attempt at an excuse ever. I am sorry, but I am being honest.
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Believe what you want. I could care less.
 
Ron Mars said:
You must be pulling my leg. You're not stupid, just terribly ill informed.

Do you really not know that Alaska National Guard, including the Air NG, is under the control of the Governor of each state?



Palin is not stupid. You should be saying the same thing about 0bama because he thinks there are at least 57 states.
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And you're ignoring the article I posted before. Alaska's national guard doesn't escort them out. The US air force does. As I said before, do you have any proof that she oversaw any of this escorting through the ANG? :lol:
 
Ron Mars said:
Believe what you want. I could care less.
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You realize that I believe she meant Putin, and the majority of Americas also believe she meant what she said... :roll:
 
When Putin rears his head... means when Russian planes skirt US airspace :roll:
 
SheWolf said:
And you're ignoring the article I posted before. Alaska's national guard doesn't escort them out. The US air force does. As I said before, do you have any proof that she oversaw any of this escorting through the ANG? :lol:
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Never said I had proof or that Palin directs the aircraft from her "command bunker". You sure assume a lot.

If an Alaska ANG aircraft is closer they do the intercept. Simple as that. Palin had nothing to do with it besides being CIC of Alaska National Guard.
 
SheWolf said:
You realize that I believe she meant Putin, and the majority of Americas also believe she meant what she said... :roll:
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There are lots of Americas who also believe she thinks she can see Russia from her house. Go figure.

Might as well add some more:

Book banning

Ethics violations

Trig is not her baby

Member of the Separatist Party

Thinks dinosaurs roamed the earth 8,000 years ago

.......... on and on it goes. PT Barnum was right.
 
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Ron Mars said:
Never said I had proof or that Palin directs the aircraft from her "command bunker". You sure assume a lot.

If an Alaska ANG aircraft is closer they do the intercept. Simple as that. Palin had nothing to do with it besides being CIC of Alaska National Guard.
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All I am doing is putting in the context of the question Couric asked her... it's that simple. Palin is citing her foreign policy experience. If she has never commanded the ANG to intercept a plane, then why bring it up? She said she was referring to trade missions with the Russians, that isn't a trade mission nor is Putin flying over Alaska a trade mission. It's obvious she is talking off the cuff and throwing words together.

If you can't prove that she ever intercepted a plane, then you're putting words in her mouth. She has no reason to talk about Russian planes in the context of the question.
 
SheWolf said:
All I am doing is putting in the context of the question Couric asked her... it's that simple. Palin is citing her foreign policy experience. If she has never commanded the ANG to intercept a plane, then why bring it up? She said she was referring to trade missions with the Russians, that isn't a trade mission nor is Putin flying over Alaska a trade mission. It's obvious she is talking off the cuff and throwing words together.
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Well then you must have the same opinion about Clinton. He said his position as CIC of the Arkansas NG was "military experience".

I don't know why you continue this. I've already agreed it wasn't a well thought out statement but it's by no means proof Palin is "stupid".

SheWolf said:
If you can't prove that she ever intercepted a plane, then you're putting words in her mouth. She has no reason to talk about Russian planes in the context of the question.
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Neither I nor Palin ever claimed she personally directed the ANG to intercept Russian planes. It's SOP for the AF and Alaska ANG.

BTW, what about 0bama's 57 state comment? Why did you ignore that?
 
Ron Mars said:
Yep. Not my fault if you don't understand that. And I really don't care if you do or do not.
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It was McCain-Palin campaign spin... I found it. I know by the nature of the conversation, somebody else with authority on the right, told you what she meant by that because it's too partisan and there is no way the average person would infer that about her comment.

The spokeswoman for the McCain-Palin campaign, Maria Comella, clarified in an e-mail to The Associated Press that when "Russian incursions near Alaskan airspace and inside the air defense identification zone have occurred ... U.S. Air Force fighters have been scrambled repeatedly."

Read more: Alaska Politics Blog : 'Putin rears his head' | adn.com
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Palin was in over her head... She had no real foreign policy experience.

and here is this...

The U.S. military command in charge says that hasn't happened in her 21 months in office.

Read more: Alaska Politics Blog : 'Putin rears his head' | adn.com
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No.. it NEVER happened when Palin was in office. She didn't command an intercept, nor did the Air Force... :lamo :lamo

To spin her comment as meaning she was talking about such intercepts is nothing but pathetic spin and attempt to make her look knowledgeable. Commanding those intercepts isn't part of her foreign policy experience. If she was brining that up to cite her foreign policy experience, then she's a ****ing liar.
 
Ron Mars said:
Well then you must have the same opinion about Clinton. He said his position as CIC of the Arkansas NG was "military experience".

I don't know why you continue this. I've already agreed it wasn't a well thought out statement but it's by no means proof Palin is "stupid".



Neither I nor Palin ever claimed she personally directed the ANG to intercept Russian planes. It's SOP for the AF and Alaska ANG.

BTW, what about 0bama's 57 state comment? Why did you ignore that?
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We aren't talking about Obama. We are talking about Palin. As to the bold, you understand Couric was asking her to cite her foreign policy experience, right? And the fact is Palin never commanded an intercept, and an intercept never happened when she was in office. Russia never skirted their airspace, so why would she bring that up to cite her foreign policy experience?

An intelligent person would not make such a poor decision to cite events that went on before they were elected, as part of their experience... :bs:
 
SheWolf said:
We aren't talking about Obama. We are talking about Palin. As to the bold, you understand Couric was asking her to cite her foreign policy experience, right? And the fact is Palin never commanded an intercept, and an intercept never happened when she was in office. Russia never skirted their airspace, so why would she bring that up to cite her foreign policy experience?
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Yes SW, the Russians absolutely skirted US airspace near Alaska while she was Governor. I posted that to you already.

Nice dodge on 0bama. Zing...............

The question from Couric was BS. She knew very well Palin had no foreign policy experience.

And Palin was the VP candidate. Couric and the rest of the lefties (including you) didn't care a tinkers damn that 0bama, a Presidential candidate, didn't have any foreign policy experience himself. Neither did Hillary Clinton.
 
Ron Mars said:
Yes SW, the Russians absolutely skirted US airspace near Alaska while she was Governor. I posted that to you already.

Nice dodge on 0bama. Zing...............

The question from Couric was BS. She knew very well Palin had no foreign policy experience.

And Palin was the VP candidate. Couric and the rest of the lefties (including you) didn't care a tinkers damn that 0bama, a Presidential candidate, didn't have any foreign policy experience himself. Neither did Hillary Clinton.
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You're dodging by bring up Obama... I am trying to keep the conversation on track, and ftr I am not a lefty. I voted for GWB... which was a mistake. :lol:

And I posted a link earlier that said, such an incident didn't happen when Palin was in office. Your link only said it was plausible.

Gov. Sarah Palin cites vigilance against Russian warplanes coming into U.S. airspace over Alaska as one of her foreign policy credentials. But the U.S. military command in charge says that hasn't happened in her 21 months in office.

Read more: Alaska Politics Blog : 'Putin rears his head' | adn.com
 
Because she was vigilant.
 
SheWolf said:
You're dodging by bring up Obama... I am trying to keep the conversation on track, and ftr I am not a lefty. I voted for GWB... which was a mistake.
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Pointing out that 0bama had no foreign policy experience illustrates the hypocrisy of the left.

Same goes for 0bama's 57 state comment.

SheWolf said:
And I posted a link earlier that said, such an incident didn't happen when Palin was in office. Your link only said it was plausible.
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Didn't happen? The Russians disagree:

Russian Bear bombers fly along Alaskan, Canadian coastline
19:23 20/09/2007MOSCOW, September 20 (RIA Novosti) - Two Russian strategic Tu-95MS Bear-H bombers carried out a flight along the coasts of Alaska and Canada during recent command and post exercises, the Russian Air Force announced Thursday.
"Each Tu-95 plane took about 30 tons of fuel on board, for the first time since the Soviet era. Their average flight duration was about 17 hours, during which the planes covered a distance of over 13,000 km [8,000 miles]," said Alexander Drobyshevsky, an aide to the Air Force commander.
Russian Bear bombers fly along Alaskan, Canadian coastline | Russia | RIA Novosti
 
Ron Mars said:
Pointing out that 0bama had no foreign policy experience illustrates the hypocrisy of the left.

Same goes for 0bama's 57 state comment.



Didn't happen? The Russians disagree:

Russian Bear bombers fly along Alaskan, Canadian coastline
19:23 20/09/2007MOSCOW, September 20 (RIA Novosti) - Two Russian strategic Tu-95MS Bear-H bombers carried out a flight along the coasts of Alaska and Canada during recent command and post exercises, the Russian Air Force announced Thursday.
"Each Tu-95 plane took about 30 tons of fuel on board, for the first time since the Soviet era. Their average flight duration was about 17 hours, during which the planes covered a distance of over 13,000 km [8,000 miles]," said Alexander Drobyshevsky, an aide to the Air Force commander.
Russian Bear bombers fly along Alaskan, Canadian coastline | Russia | RIA Novosti
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US military said they weren't intercepted. They weren't intercepted, so either they didn't get too close to the Alaska airspace or Palin wasn't watching Putin close enough and slacked on her job... :lol:
 
SheWolf said:
US military said they weren't intercepted. They weren't intercepted, so either they didn't get too close to the Alaska airspace or Palin wasn't watching Putin close enough and slacked on her job... :lol:
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Or maybe you're just driven 100% by politics instead of the truth.
 
j-mac said:
Watch out now, you don't want to be labeled a birther, or a racist now do you?


j-mac
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Racist for what coming against a man that is half white and came out of a white womb who was raised by his white grand parents?
 
megrimlock said:
You obviously fail to recognize the importance of the HLR in the legal world. Have you ever pursued a graduate degree? Are you aware of how integral these kind of publications are to their respective fields and this was one of the most important. It's big enough that his appointment was noticed and mentioned by several major newspapers At Harvard Law, a unifying voice - The Boston Globe
In Law School, Obama Found Political Voice - New York Times

Was he a five star general? No. But to call this anything other than leadership experience is stupid.
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How do we know the records are sealed
 
ptif219 said:
How do we know the records are sealed
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What the **** does it matter anyway?

What does it have to do with the OP or the birth certificate, which proves beyond any doubt he's an American and Eligable to be potus?
 
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