gekaap
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I have my original BC.
No you don't. Go take a look.
I have my original BC.
No you don't. Go take a look.
Holy ****, there's still a discussion about this?
Discussion about what? If 0bama's a natural born citizen?
There was never a doubt in my mind about that fact.
My point is that 0bama has kept this issue alive and well for political reasons.
That's what this discussion is about.
So releasing a certificate of live birth (which is as good as a long form for us sane folk), having the Governor of Hawaii and several others vouch for it's existence, having a birth announcement in the newspaper and finally releasing the actual BC is keeping the issue alive?
How many rolls of tin foil did you use to make that hat you're wearing? This is has been an non issue for every political pundit from Olbermenn to Beck and Oreilly.Not even Bachmann doubted his BC, what does he have to gain from this seemingly pointless act of secrecy and confusion?
Refusing to release his original BC years ago kept this silliness going.
Fighting in court and spending lots of money to not release his original BC gave his political opponents legitimate reason to believe he was hiding something.
0bama is playing this silly game for political reasons.
Rules for Radicals anyone?
BTW, last I heard the Governor of Hawaii tried to verify the existence of 0bama's original BC but couldn't.
You've yet to show a source that Obama has spent a dime in court regarding his BC, or even given a reason why this would benefit him at all for that matter other than "derp he's a radical" And no political opponent except for Trump doubted his Birth certificate, you're really grasping for straws.
And you're quite incorrect about the Governor of Hawaii.
Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real - USATODAY.com
Nothing in your link mentions that the Governor has found his BC.
Do you think fighting court cases with lawyers is free?
Hawaii Gov. Says Proof of President's Birth Certificate Exists But Hasn't Produced the Document
What court cases are you talking about? A source would be dandy
Discussion about what? If 0bama's a natural born citizen?
There was never a doubt in my mind about that fact.
My point is that 0bama has kept this issue alive and well for political reasons.
That's what this discussion is about.
If you defend birthers, often going down biurther lane, it raises the question. Perhaps you're just having fun, but I ahve noted where you went down birther lane and asked you to expalin. I don't think you ever ahve.
As for other challenges, nonoe of those challenged had to ever provide more than oabam did, and there was no birther nutters running around trying to call everything into question.
And j, you really do overuse the goal post tactic. no one has moved any goal posts. It seems some get stuck on a tactic and rarely actually try to understand what is being said. I wish you would do more trying to understand old friend. ;shrug:
And I wish you'd be a little more honest in your debate style. Clearly you overuse the passive/aggressive style meant to throw one off of their argument and focus on a meaningless part of the argument, leaving the larger question rarely addressed by you.
You also seem fond of thinking yourself some kind of voice of reason, and often use arrogance, and condescension when addressing people. Who the hell do you really think you are?
As for the "Birther" nonsense, it wouldn't have been any issue at all had Obama not held on to, and fought in court the making public of the form that he did recently. HE kept this alive, largely I think, because it is a useful tool to ridicule, and mock his opponents whether they subscribe to this theory or not. Just as you try and do by labeling me as one who "follows that path".... He uses it as a distraction to NOT have to answer tough questions about real policy issues like the current state of our fiscal house, and how he has increased the debt more than any other President. It really is sad how he plays his Presidency. If you don't agree with, or love what he is doing, then you must be a "birther", or a "racist", or some other pejorative that people like you throw out there.
I wish you and others would just cut it out, and address the issues honestly. If Obama's plans, and policies then they would survive the scrutiny of criticism. You seem to think not, and use weak ass arguments to deflect, obfuscate, and name call. That you profess to be a teacher of what ever sort, is just more proof to me why America is failing in education.
have a nice day.
j-mac
He didn't lie and I never said he did.
He never released what he stated he had in his possession and asked HI to send a COLB which he then released to DailyKos and fightthesmears.com.
He wants to keep this going so that anyone looking into his past and asking legitimate questions not related to this issue can be painted as a birther.
Judging from the responses in here its working.
I firmly believe 0bama is a natural born citizen so stuff your "definition" BS.
0bama says he has a copy of his original BC in his book Dreams of my Father.
If that's true there would be no need to ask HI to send a COLB is there.
So there must be another reason.
On Page 26 of “Dreams of My Father”, Obama writes:
“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school,”
From “Dreams of My Father” « Just Americans Making Ethical Statements Weblog
STFU yourself.
Since he said he had it, and I can't find where 0bama says he looked and can't find it, that kind of narrows it down now doesn't it.
Refusing to release his original BC years ago kept this silliness going.
Fighting in court and spending lots of money to not release his original BC gave his political opponents legitimate reason to believe he was hiding something.
0bama is playing this silly game for political reasons.
Rules for Radicals anyone?
BTW, last I heard the Governor of Hawaii tried to verify the existence of 0bama's original BC but couldn't.
Refusing to release his original BC years ago kept this silliness going.
Fighting in court and spending lots of money to not release his original BC gave his political opponents legitimate reason to believe he was hiding something.
0bama is playing this silly game for political reasons.
Rules for Radicals anyone?
BTW, last I heard the Governor of Hawaii tried to verify the existence of 0bama's original BC but couldn't.
Raising this question isn't legitimate. I am confident our government checks into this stuff before they would allow just anybody to be sworn in...
What else are legitimate questions about his past? Has his ties to Muslim extremism and terror cells been throughly investigated yet? Maybe we should also check to see he is human. I can't believe nobody has requested a dna sample yet!
Then why are you putting some much pressure on him to prove it? That doesn't make any sense.
BTW... some people are already claiming his bc is a fake. You have to acknowledge what kind of people are demanding this of the president.
Mabye he lost that copy... I know I have lost a few copies of my bc, or maybe he was actually talking about the COLB... :lol:
Look, he released his long bc and it didn't shut them up. They are still going. They are claiming this bc is fake and photoshopped. They are claiming whatever they can claim to keep this going. The only thing to see now, is if people like Bachmann and Trump are still going to pander to those people... They shouldn't have been pandering to the ignorant in the first place.
He released the very birth certificate everyone born in Hawaii gets. No one there gets the long form. You birthers are beyond idiotic. Obama did not spend a dime or one minute in court trying to hide the long form kept on file in Hawaii.
I really can't believe there are people as dense as you birthers.
I'm not a birther so stuff your BS.
Yet another lefty who has no idea 0bama stated he has a copy of his original BC in his book Dreams of My Father.
I've considered that. I have not found where 0bama stated he looked for his BC but failed to find it. Have you?