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Obama to speak on birth certificate

TacticalEvilDan said:
Holy ****, there's still a discussion about this?
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Discussion about what? If 0bama's a natural born citizen?

There was never a doubt in my mind about that fact.

My point is that 0bama has kept this issue alive and well for political reasons.

That's what this discussion is about.
 
Ron Mars said:
Discussion about what? If 0bama's a natural born citizen?

There was never a doubt in my mind about that fact.

My point is that 0bama has kept this issue alive and well for political reasons.

That's what this discussion is about.
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So releasing a certificate of live birth (which is as good as a long form for us sane folk), having the Governor of Hawaii and several others vouch for it's existence, having a birth announcement in the newspaper and finally releasing the actual BC is keeping the issue alive?

How many rolls of tin foil did you use to make that hat you're wearing? This is has been an non issue for every political pundit from Olbermenn to Beck and Oreilly.Not even Bachmann doubted his BC, what does he have to gain from this seemingly pointless act of secrecy and confusion?
 
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megrimlock said:
So releasing a certificate of live birth (which is as good as a long form for us sane folk), having the Governor of Hawaii and several others vouch for it's existence, having a birth announcement in the newspaper and finally releasing the actual BC is keeping the issue alive?

How many rolls of tin foil did you use to make that hat you're wearing? This is has been an non issue for every political pundit from Olbermenn to Beck and Oreilly.Not even Bachmann doubted his BC, what does he have to gain from this seemingly pointless act of secrecy and confusion?
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Refusing to release his original BC years ago kept this silliness going.

Fighting in court and spending lots of money to not release his original BC gave his political opponents legitimate reason to believe he was hiding something.

0bama is playing this silly game for political reasons.

Rules for Radicals anyone?

BTW, last I heard the Governor of Hawaii tried to verify the existence of 0bama's original BC but couldn't.
 
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Ron Mars said:
Refusing to release his original BC years ago kept this silliness going.

Fighting in court and spending lots of money to not release his original BC gave his political opponents legitimate reason to believe he was hiding something.

0bama is playing this silly game for political reasons.

Rules for Radicals anyone?

BTW, last I heard the Governor of Hawaii tried to verify the existence of 0bama's original BC but couldn't.
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You've yet to show a source that Obama has spent a dime in court regarding his BC, or even given a reason why this would benefit him at all for that matter other than "derp he's a radical" And no political opponent except for Trump doubted his Birth certificate, you're really grasping for straws.

And you're quite incorrect about the Governor of Hawaii.
Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real - USATODAY.com
 
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megrimlock said:
You've yet to show a source that Obama has spent a dime in court regarding his BC, or even given a reason why this would benefit him at all for that matter other than "derp he's a radical" And no political opponent except for Trump doubted his Birth certificate, you're really grasping for straws.

And you're quite incorrect about the Governor of Hawaii.
Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real - USATODAY.com
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Nothing in your link mentions that the Governor has found his BC.

Do you think fighting court cases with lawyers is free?
 
Ron Mars said:
Nothing in your link mentions that the Governor has found his BC.

Do you think fighting court cases with lawyers is free?
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Siiigh, "Birthers denounce the notion that Obama was born in Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, despite court rulings and statements by Fukino and Hawaii's Republican governor, Linda Lingle."

Admittedly not the best link to prove my point regarding the Governor's statement, so here's a better one

Obama Birth: Hawaii Gov. Says Proof of President's Birth Certificate Exists But Hasn't Produced the Document - ABC News (for the record that's TWO governors that vouched for Obama)

What court cases are you talking about? A source would be dandy
 
megrimlock said:
Hawaii Gov. Says Proof of President's Birth Certificate Exists But Hasn't Produced the Document
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Sigh.....

megrimlock said:
What court cases are you talking about? A source would be dandy
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Sure would be dandy if you would look it up yourself instead of making baseless accusations.

Berg took his case to the SCOTUS. He's a certifiable crackpot.

Two other birther crackpots are still at it even though 0bama has finally released his BC.

Lawyers in court; unfazed by Obama's birth certificate | abc7.com
 
Ron Mars said:
Discussion about what? If 0bama's a natural born citizen?

There was never a doubt in my mind about that fact.

My point is that 0bama has kept this issue alive and well for political reasons.

That's what this discussion is about.
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So, birthers are useful idiots? I thougththey were just idiots. :coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
If you defend birthers, often going down biurther lane, it raises the question. Perhaps you're just having fun, but I ahve noted where you went down birther lane and asked you to expalin. I don't think you ever ahve.

As for other challenges, nonoe of those challenged had to ever provide more than oabam did, and there was no birther nutters running around trying to call everything into question.

And j, you really do overuse the goal post tactic. no one has moved any goal posts. It seems some get stuck on a tactic and rarely actually try to understand what is being said. I wish you would do more trying to understand old friend. ;shrug:
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And I wish you'd be a little more honest in your debate style. Clearly you overuse the passive/aggressive style meant to throw one off of their argument and focus on a meaningless part of the argument, leaving the larger question rarely addressed by you.

You also seem fond of thinking yourself some kind of voice of reason, and often use arrogance, and condescension when addressing people. Who the hell do you really think you are?

As for the "Birther" nonsense, it wouldn't have been any issue at all had Obama not held on to, and fought in court the making public of the form that he did recently. HE kept this alive, largely I think, because it is a useful tool to ridicule, and mock his opponents whether they subscribe to this theory or not. Just as you try and do by labeling me as one who "follows that path".... He uses it as a distraction to NOT have to answer tough questions about real policy issues like the current state of our fiscal house, and how he has increased the debt more than any other President. It really is sad how he plays his Presidency. If you don't agree with, or love what he is doing, then you must be a "birther", or a "racist", or some other pejorative that people like you throw out there.

I wish you and others would just cut it out, and address the issues honestly. If Obama's plans, and policies then they would survive the scrutiny of criticism. You seem to think not, and use weak ass arguments to deflect, obfuscate, and name call. That you profess to be a teacher of what ever sort, is just more proof to me why America is failing in education.

have a nice day.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
And I wish you'd be a little more honest in your debate style. Clearly you overuse the passive/aggressive style meant to throw one off of their argument and focus on a meaningless part of the argument, leaving the larger question rarely addressed by you.

You also seem fond of thinking yourself some kind of voice of reason, and often use arrogance, and condescension when addressing people. Who the hell do you really think you are?

As for the "Birther" nonsense, it wouldn't have been any issue at all had Obama not held on to, and fought in court the making public of the form that he did recently. HE kept this alive, largely I think, because it is a useful tool to ridicule, and mock his opponents whether they subscribe to this theory or not. Just as you try and do by labeling me as one who "follows that path".... He uses it as a distraction to NOT have to answer tough questions about real policy issues like the current state of our fiscal house, and how he has increased the debt more than any other President. It really is sad how he plays his Presidency. If you don't agree with, or love what he is doing, then you must be a "birther", or a "racist", or some other pejorative that people like you throw out there.

I wish you and others would just cut it out, and address the issues honestly. If Obama's plans, and policies then they would survive the scrutiny of criticism. You seem to think not, and use weak ass arguments to deflect, obfuscate, and name call. That you profess to be a teacher of what ever sort, is just more proof to me why America is failing in education.

have a nice day.

j-mac
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First j, you have your facts wrong. You drink the koolaid and don't understand why no one takes it seriously. Obama did not spend millions to keep this from coming out. Fact check links have been posted on that. He didn't do anything but give exactly what was required by law, that which was good enough for every other elected official, every other presidential candidate. There was never any reason for birthers to even question it.

And as I noted earlier, if you thin this is a tactic by Obama, just shut up. That is how birthers could have ended it and any so called advantage Obama could have gained from it. That is not a order for them to shut up, but a statement on what would have ended it that they could control.

And how do you address a dishonest issue honestly? Frankly, you have this wrong as well. You are being addressed honestly and logically. It is the birther side that lacks both honesty and logic.

As for my arrogance? If you say so. But if you have the freedom to say silly things, I have the freedom to call them silly. ;)
 
Ron Mars said:
He didn't lie and I never said he did.

He never released what he stated he had in his possession and asked HI to send a COLB which he then released to DailyKos and fightthesmears.com.

He wants to keep this going so that anyone looking into his past and asking legitimate questions not related to this issue can be painted as a birther.

Judging from the responses in here its working.
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Raising this question isn't legitimate. I am confident our government checks into this stuff before they would allow just anybody to be sworn in... :lol:

What else are legitimate questions about his past? Has his ties to Muslim extremism and terror cells been throughly investigated yet? Maybe we should also check to see he is human. I can't believe nobody has requested a dna sample yet!
 
Ron Mars said:
I firmly believe 0bama is a natural born citizen so stuff your "definition" BS.

0bama says he has a copy of his original BC in his book Dreams of my Father.

If that's true there would be no need to ask HI to send a COLB is there.

So there must be another reason.
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Then why are you putting some much pressure on him to prove it? That doesn't make any sense.

I believe he is a natural citizen just like GWB was, but I wouldn't support anybody putting this burden of proof on him.

BTW... some people are already claiming his bc is a fake. You have to acknowledge what kind of people are demanding this of the president.
 
Ron Mars said:
On Page 26 of “Dreams of My Father”, Obama writes:

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school,”

From “Dreams of My Father” « Just Americans Making Ethical Statements Weblog

STFU yourself.



Since he said he had it, and I can't find where 0bama says he looked and can't find it, that kind of narrows it down now doesn't it.
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Mabye he lost that copy... I know I have lost a few copies of my bc, or maybe he was actually talking about the COLB... :lol:
 
Ron Mars said:
Refusing to release his original BC years ago kept this silliness going.

Fighting in court and spending lots of money to not release his original BC gave his political opponents legitimate reason to believe he was hiding something.

0bama is playing this silly game for political reasons.

Rules for Radicals anyone?

BTW, last I heard the Governor of Hawaii tried to verify the existence of 0bama's original BC but couldn't.
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Look, he released his long bc and it didn't shut them up. They are still going. They are claiming this bc is fake and photoshopped. They are claiming whatever they can claim to keep this going. The only thing to see now, is if people like Bachmann and Trump are still going to pander to those people... They shouldn't have been pandering to the ignorant in the first place.
 
Ron Mars said:
Refusing to release his original BC years ago kept this silliness going.

Fighting in court and spending lots of money to not release his original BC gave his political opponents legitimate reason to believe he was hiding something.

0bama is playing this silly game for political reasons.

Rules for Radicals anyone?

BTW, last I heard the Governor of Hawaii tried to verify the existence of 0bama's original BC but couldn't.
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He released the very birth certificate everyone born in Hawaii gets. No one there gets the long form. You birthers are beyond idiotic. Obama did not spend a dime or one minute in court trying to hide the long form kept on file in Hawaii.
I really can't believe there are people as dense as you birthers.
 
SheWolf said:
Raising this question isn't legitimate. I am confident our government checks into this stuff before they would allow just anybody to be sworn in...
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Our states Secretary of States are supposed to look into it. Not the Federal Government.

50 out 0f 50 states approved 0bama's application to be on their ballot for President. Pretty solid evidence IMO.

SheWolf said:
What else are legitimate questions about his past? Has his ties to Muslim extremism and terror cells been throughly investigated yet? Maybe we should also check to see he is human. I can't believe nobody has requested a dna sample yet!
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Ayers, Project Vote, ACORN, Flagger, SEIU, Wright..... need more?
 
SheWolf said:
Then why are you putting some much pressure on him to prove it? That doesn't make any sense.
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I'm not. I'm giving my theory as to why 0bama refused to release something he stateed he had in his possesion.

There was no need to send off to HI for his COLB when he had his original BC.

SheWolf said:
BTW... some people are already claiming his bc is a fake. You have to acknowledge what kind of people are demanding this of the president.
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I don't have to acknowledge anything.

I'm well aware people are claiming his BC has been photoshopped.

I'm waiting for a legitimate organization to make a definitive determination. I'll go with what they come up with.
 
SheWolf said:
Mabye he lost that copy... I know I have lost a few copies of my bc, or maybe he was actually talking about the COLB... :lol:
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I've considered that. I have not found where 0bama stated he looked for his BC but failed to find it. Have you?
 
SheWolf said:
Look, he released his long bc and it didn't shut them up. They are still going. They are claiming this bc is fake and photoshopped. They are claiming whatever they can claim to keep this going. The only thing to see now, is if people like Bachmann and Trump are still going to pander to those people... They shouldn't have been pandering to the ignorant in the first place.
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I have seen several videos where people downloaded the BC on the WH website, entered into Adobe Illustrator, and started removing the layers.

Stuff starts disappearing. I'm no computer expert to be sure so I'm waiting for a legitimate organization to analyze it.

Even if it is proven to be a fake I still don't think that's proof 0bama is not a natural born citizen.
 
Dirty Harry said:
He released the very birth certificate everyone born in Hawaii gets. No one there gets the long form. You birthers are beyond idiotic. Obama did not spend a dime or one minute in court trying to hide the long form kept on file in Hawaii.
I really can't believe there are people as dense as you birthers.
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I'm not a birther so stuff your BS.

Yet another lefty who has no idea 0bama stated he has a copy of his original BC in his book Dreams of My Father.
 
Ron Mars said:
I'm not a birther so stuff your BS.

Yet another lefty who has no idea 0bama stated he has a copy of his original BC in his book Dreams of My Father.
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Not what he said. You added the word original. I have a copy in my box as well, but it is a copy.
 
Ron Mars said:
I've considered that. I have not found where 0bama stated he looked for his BC but failed to find it. Have you?
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lol... well it's not a far fetched idea
 
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