Obama to speak on birth certificate

Simon W. Moon · Apr 28, 2011

ReverendHellh0und said:
Tea Party =/= birthers anymore than homicidal clowns = Democrats. rof

As a total aside

This sentence is perfectly reasonable and meaningful in regular English usage, but in a programming sense, (or w/e), it says the opposite of what's intended.

Code:

Tea Party does not equal birthers anymore than homicidal clowns equal Democrats.
[Totally normal sentence that says what is intended]

(The amount that TP does not equal birthers) ≤ (the amount that  homicidal clowns = Democrats)

  tp ≠ birthers is true       and       homicidal clowns = Democrats is at least as true.
[crazy interpretation that would be valid in a much different context and which is the opposite of what was intended]

  tp ≠ birthers is true       and       homicidal clowns = Democrats is at least as false
[weird way of conveying the intent of the original]

Anyway, that's my little Peggy Hill musing for the morning

StillBallin75 · Apr 28, 2011

Simon W. Moon said:
As a total aside

This sentence is perfectly reasonable and meaningful in regular English usage, but in a programming sense, (or w/e), it says the opposite of what's intended.

Code:

Tea Party does not equal birthers anymore than homicidal clowns equal Democrats. [Totally normal sentence that says what is intended] (The amount that TP does not equal birthers) ≤ (the amount that homicidal clowns = Democrats) tp ≠ birthers is true and homicidal clowns = Democrats is at least as true. [crazy interpretation that would be valid in a much different context and which is the opposite of what was intended] tp ≠ birthers is true and homicidal clowns = Democrats is at least as false [weird way of conveying the intent of the original]

Anyway, that's my little Peggy Hill musing for the morning

Simon you need to get laid.

Simon W. Moon · Apr 28, 2011

ksu_aviator said:
The problem was the almost part. It could have easily been proven to be true if this form had been released to the public when the question arose.

AFAICT, it was. The doc that's valid enough to use to get a passport wasn't enough for some is all.

ksu_aviator said:
None of this would have been an issue if Obama had seen fit to just show us the birth certificate.

Which he did. The doc that's valid enough to use to get a passport wasn't enough for some is all.

ksu_aviator said:
He kept the issue alive and even gave the issue credence by not addressing it.

Obama kept it alive? We'll haver to agree to disagree on that count.
It seems more accurate, imho, to say that the people who spent so much time writing about it "kept the issue alive". Obviously, ymmv.

ksu_aviator said:
It allowed the rest of America to see what I've known since he burst onto the political scene.

The thing is, it seem to me, that in order for someone to "see what [you've] known" one has to start off already "knowing" what you've known. Otherwise, it's hard to look at what has happened and see it the way that you do.
To me, and perhaps others, it seems more like the birthers are the ones who kept it alive after Obama showed his birth certificate--a BC that valid, legal and sufficient to use when getting a driver's license or a passport and a jillion other uses. It's the only kind of BC that I have ever had to use in my entire life. This may also be the case of other people besides myself. The fact that it takes a special waiver to get the different kind of BC lends some credence to my theory that very few people have ever had to show more than what Obama showed some time ago.
So, given that, I suspect that people other than just me see the entity with the "issue" in re Obama's BC as the birthers, not Obama.

Simon W. Moon · Apr 28, 2011

StillBallin75 said:
Simon you need to get laid.

While I don't disagree with that sentiment, and instead heartily agree with it, I disagree with the implication that I haven't had any in a while. I am married with small two kids, AND grandma is in town!!
If you have had small kids, then I don't need to explain anymore.

StillBallin75 · Apr 28, 2011

Simon W. Moon said:
While I don't disagree with that sentiment, and instead heartily agree with it, I disagree with the implication that I haven't had any in a while. I am married with small two kids, AND grandma is in town!!
If you have had small kids, then I don't need to explain anymore.

i'm a kid, but from what I've heard around here marriage and children are the two greatest factors preventing dudes from gettin some.

ecofarm · Apr 28, 2011

gave the issue credence by not addressing it

One is not required satisfy every CT or slander, in order to prevent it from getting credence. From an intellectual or moral standpoint, the above is just not fair.

ksu_aviator · Apr 28, 2011

Simon W. Moon said:
AFAICT, it was. The doc that's valid enough to use to get a passport wasn't enough for some is all.

Which he did. The doc that's valid enough to use to get a passport wasn't enough for some is all.

But that document had numerous inconsistencies and did not specify if he was born in the US or given a US birth certificate based on his mother's citizenship...which could have been invalid. This document does what the other doesn't and that is show that Obama was born in a hospital in the US.

Obama kept it alive? We'll haver to agree to disagree on that count.
It seems more accurate, imho, to say that the people who spent so much time writing about it "kept the issue alive". Obviously, ymmv.

But they'd have had nothing to speculate about if this document had been made public. From this day forward, the birther movement loses all of its steam and only those that hold on to the faith that Obama isn't an American citizen (for their own reasons) will continue to spew something that isn't factual. The rest, that found some of the questions to be very valid, have the answer they were looking for and will move on.

The thing is, it seem to me, that in order for someone to "see what [you've] known" one has to start off already "knowing" what you've known. Otherwise, it's hard to look at what has happened and see it the way that you do.

No really. It was his actions that made it obvious that he was a haughty elitist prick. When he talked in Oregon about how 'you can't drive suv's and set your thermostat to 68 blah blah blah' and 'we need to spread the wealth around' and he flipped McCain the bird...he's just a big douche bag really.

To me, and perhaps others, it seems more like the birthers are the ones who kept it alive after Obama showed his birth certificate--a BC that valid, legal and sufficient to use when getting a driver's license or a passport and a jillion other uses. It's the only kind of BC that I have ever had to use in my entire life. This may also be the case of other people besides myself. The fact that it takes a special waiver to get the different kind of BC lends some credence to my theory that very few people have ever had to show more than what Obama showed some time ago.
So, given that, I suspect that people other than just me see the entity with the "issue" in re Obama's BC as the birthers, not Obama.

You also aren't the leader of the nation. There is a different standard. From here forward we should require all Presidential candidates to prove they are qualified for the position. It is a simple process.

justabubba · Apr 28, 2011

j-mac said:
so what? The reports were that McCain was rather a jokester in school, and not the best of students, but he distinguished himself in the war, and Senate. He still didn't win, so that point is now moot.

j-mac

yes, this grandson of a naval admiral and son of a naval admiral certainly distinuished himself
distinguished himself at annapolis as two students did worse than he
distinguished himself in war by causing the largest naval loss of the vietnam war in the forrestal fire
distinguished himself in vietnam by ratting out his fellow American POWs
distinguished himself in the senate by being a pawn of that crook, keating
distinguished himself personally by screwing around on his wife while serving in congress

quite distinguished. no wonder the republican party of personal responsibility and family values endorsed him as presidential candidate [/sarcasm]

SheWolf · Apr 28, 2011

Simon W. Moon said:
While I don't disagree with that sentiment, and instead heartily agree with it, I disagree with the implication that I haven't had any in a while. I am married with small two kids, AND grandma is in town!!
If you have had small kids, then I don't need to explain anymore.

lol.... :lol:

Captain America · Apr 28, 2011

Objective Voice said:
Donald Trump will do like he always does...talk loud and talk over people, never really giving them a chance to answer the question(s) placed before them. He'll also find some way to deflect. It's what he does. And he's good at it!

He could never be elected because:
1. He is the carnival barker the president is speaking about and most folks already know it.
2. His inflated ego is bigger than his bank account.
3. He is regarded by most of Americans as having the morals/character of an alley cat.
4. He is so full of ****. He spins half-truths and is quick to spew outright lies.
5. Bad hair.

This is what I think about him and I LIKE the guy. Can you imagine what someone who doesn't like him thinks about him? Polls show Obama leads Trump by 12-18 percentage points on average. Trump would have to run as an independant because the GOp won't touch this lunatic with a 10 foot pole. LOL!

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Trump vs. Obama

bejeta · Apr 28, 2011

The fact that a great deal of you are calling Birthers "morons" and "crazy" is just proof of how unintellectual and brainwashed you all are. These people had legitimate claims of which is a REAL requirement to be a valid president in this country. If there is doubt, then the president has a duty and responsibility to prove his validity. The fact that he waited over 2 years is absurd, unprofessional, and is the core of why people kept asking questions. Something so simple to prove shouldn't be hidden as it was. That also leads to questions about its validity now if it was such a simple matter to prove.

What is wrong with asking questions, investigating the truth, and following the rules? Those requirements were written for a reason by the founders of this country. Someone who wants to see proof of such requirements isn't crazy or a moron. The only crazy people are those that blindly believe what CNN and Fox News tells them and refuses to even hear opposing arguments. It is insulting to the US Constitution and to those that gave their lives for it. Get over yourselves and open your minds to learning the truth about things. Especially when the president himself has spent more time lying to us all then telling us anything of substance.

StillBallin75 · Apr 28, 2011

bejeta said:
The fact that a great deal of you are calling Birthers "morons" and "crazy" is just proof of how unintellectual and brainwashed you all are. These people had legitimate claims of which is a REAL requirement to be a valid president in this country. If there is doubt, then the president has a duty and responsibility to prove his validity. The fact that he waited over 2 years is absurd, unprofessional, and is the core of why people kept asking questions. Something so simple to prove shouldn't be hidden as it was. That also leads to questions about its validity now if it was such a simple matter to prove.

What is wrong with asking questions, investigating the truth, and following the rules? Those requirements were written for a reason by the founders of this country. Someone who wants to see proof of such requirements isn't crazy or a moron. The only crazy people are those that blindly believe what CNN and Fox News tells them and refuses to even hear opposing arguments. It is insulting to the US Constitution and to those that gave their lives for it. Get over yourselves and open your minds to learning the truth about things. Especially when the president himself has spent more time lying to us all then telling us anything of substance.

Prior to this Obama had already provided proof enough for any reasonable individual.

BDBoop · Apr 28, 2011

Teal deer. That and starting off with an insult is guaranteed to gain you "blow off" status with a fair bit of the board.

bejeta said:
The fact that a great deal of you are calling Birthers "morons" and "crazy" is just proof of how unintellectual and brainwashed you all are. These people had legitimate claims of which is a REAL requirement to be a valid president in this country. If there is doubt, then the president has a duty and responsibility to prove his validity. The fact that he waited over 2 years is absurd, unprofessional, and is the core of why people kept asking questions. Something so simple to prove shouldn't be hidden as it was. That also leads to questions about its validity now if it was such a simple matter to prove.

What is wrong with asking questions, investigating the truth, and following the rules? Those requirements were written for a reason by the founders of this country. Someone who wants to see proof of such requirements isn't crazy or a moron. The only crazy people are those that blindly believe what CNN and Fox News tells them and refuses to even hear opposing arguments. It is insulting to the US Constitution and to those that gave their lives for it. Get over yourselves and open your minds to learning the truth about things. Especially when the president himself has spent more time lying to us all then telling us anything of substance.

justabubba · Apr 28, 2011

BDBoop said:
Teal deer. That and starting off with an insult is guaranteed to gain you "blow off" status with a fair bit of the board.

what we are observing is a meltdown
the birthers have lost
and they do not like it

now will be a time of rationalization, in an attemt to explain away the inherent stupidity of their false accusations

BDBoop · Apr 28, 2011

justabubba said:
what we are observing is a meltdown
the birthers have lost
and they do not like it

now will be a time of rationalization, in an attemt to explain away the inherent stupidity of their false accusations

Meantime, I've yet to see one birther say "Well, whatdayaknow; I was wrong! All apologies." And that's the standard by which they shall be measured.

whysoserious · Apr 28, 2011

BDBoop said:
Meantime, I've yet to see one birther say "Well, whatdayaknow; I was wrong! All apologies." And that's the standard by which they shall be measured.

Now they are saying, "OMG Obama is wasting time on this issue? What conspiracies will he cave to next?" These are useless types of people and should be ignored if possible.

BDBoop · Apr 28, 2011

whysoserious said:
Now they are saying, "OMG Obama is wasting time on this issue? What conspiracies will he cave to next?" These are useless types of people and should be ignored if possible.

I used to live on this board, so for me 'ignore' meant 'walk away'. Now I just swing through for visits.

Boo Radley · Apr 28, 2011

j-mac said:
Then it should be no problem for either of you to provide examples. And Joe, you should really know better.

j-mac

I thought I did, but go back to where I asked you. Read what YOU said.

zimmer · Apr 28, 2011

Jetboogieman said:
Well you see...

I believe some birthtards want to see things like his thesis (which he never wrote) because they believe it'll have something like "why muslim, kenyan, communism will take over America and work, and how all white folk should be enslaved".

Or something to that effect...

ROTFLOL... we don't need to see his thesis to know he's a Leftist Commi Pinko... just look at who he hung with and what he's done. Black Liberation Theology=Marxism.

You don't get praised by Alinsky's son if you ain't a true believer.

.

ReverendHellh0und · Apr 28, 2011

Boo Radley said:
I only want to argue the point. You guys are defending Birthers when you should not. Few members anywhere actually defended the nutters of the 9/11 conspiracy.

That troofer **** was all over ws. Please..... Your romantisizing and revisionism of that failure is irrelevant.

I dont defend birfers i do think that the initial question was legit. Once this short form was released i was cool with it.

I think all presidential candidates should be held to the same standard as i am at the DMV.

Boo Radley · Apr 28, 2011

ReverendHellh0und said:
That troofer **** was all over ws. Please..... Your romantisizing and revisionism of that failure is irrelevant.

I dont defend birfers i do think that the initial question was legit. Once this short form was released i was cool with it.

I think all presidential candidates should be held to the same standard as i am at the DMV.

Please, there was nothing legit about it. It was pure silliness put down almost instantly. And they all have the same standard, and you need no more at the DMV than Obama showed. That too has been demostrated. CNN did a good job on this.

So, you really don't have a case at all for defending them. Never did.

Jetboogieman · Apr 28, 2011

zimmer said:
ROTFLOL... we don't need to see his thesis to know he's a Leftist Commi Pinko... just look at who he hung with and what he's done. Black Liberation Theology=Marxism.

You don't get praised by Alinsky's son if you ain't a true believer.

.

Yes Zimmer, I'll be sure to remember that the next time he extends tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and continues the same economic and monetary policies as his predecer, and forces citizens to buy a product from the private sector (which I disagree with btw)

I use to be a communist.

If Obama is a communist, he's a piss poor excuse for one

ReverendHellh0und · Apr 28, 2011

Boo Radley said:
Please, there was nothing legit about it. It was pure silliness put down almost instantly. And they all have the same standard, and you need no more at the DMV than Obama showed. That too has been demostrated. CNN did a good job on this.

Right and next you'll tell me is the owner didnt run off with all those donations. Look brother you are not the only former ws mod i know.

And njdmv i need 9 points of ID. Look it up. As i said i was satisfied with the one he showed.

There was no racism behind the birther movement. Your White guilt does not make it so.

So, you really don't have a case at all for defending them. Never did.

I've explained my position to you. If you want to be disbonest, please do continue.

Boo Radley · Apr 28, 2011

ReverendHellh0und said:
Right and next you'll tell me is the owner didnt run off with all those donations. Look brother you are not the only former ws mod i know.

And njdmv i need 9 points of ID. Look it up. As i said i was satisfied with the one he showed.

There was no racism behind the birther movement. Your White guilt does not make it so.

I thought you didn't want to talk about Ws here? Make up your mind. Nothing in the posts you're responding to now has anythign to do with Ws.

I've explained my position to you. If you want to be disbonest, please do continue.

So, if you say something, no matter how silly, the only honest response according to you, is why yess that is correct? Sorry, your explanation doesn't fly. They asked more of Obama than others. I need an explanation for why that actually holds up.

ReverendHellh0und · Apr 28, 2011

Boo,

I dont even know what the **** you are talkin about now.

impdaddy:

Edit: oh i see your begging the question.

I already answered this. Go fish buddy.

Obama to speak on birth certificate

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