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Obama to speak on birth certificate

Objective Voice said:
I want folks to read these two post because what haymarket points out is exactly how some try to "defended" their racism. Instead of acknowledging, for example, that yes, some White people do have this natural, instinctive impulse to take a defensive stance when around Black people, they instead try to make the claim that it's the other guy whose being racist.

All Obama said was, "Look, my grandmother, who is White, still carries with her some habits that makes her act cautiously when around Black people. I'm okay with that because she was an elderly woman. How many senior citizens do you know who aren't creatures of habit? The wake at the same time every day, go through their routine, insist that certain things are done a certain way and rarely deviate from them. I'll even go one further...

Most folks who "know" me are aware that I'm Black and my wife is White. Most places we go I'm the only Black man in the room, but it doesn't bother me because I'm use to it. The same can be said of my wife when the situation is reversed. But it took a long time for my step-children to get comfortable being around Black people.

I'll never forget the time I took my family - my wife, our daughter we borne between us, my two stepchildren and my biological son to visit my daughter, son-in-law and the grandkids. They live in a predominately Black neighborhood. My stepdaughter was nervous the entire time, but my stepson was fine. I understood her concerns because she'd never been around so many Black people her entire life! So, I made sure to always be around her just to reassure her she'd be fine. She was about 15 then. She's 20 now.

I laugh at it now because just last year she dated a Black guy and thought I and her mom would be upset about it. I was like, "Why would we? I am Black; your mom is White? :doh: You guys would LUAO if you heard all the ebonic she and her brother speaks around the house. My stepson's favorite movie is "Undercover Brother". They laugh just as hard when my son and I immitate White folks. We look at people on both sides of the racial divide and wonder what's wrong with people?

But you see, WE can speak out against racism because such doesn't exist in my home. But my "white" kids see the hidden racial undertones that come their way from time to time. It's doesn't happen often, but they're quick to point it out and have called out their friends on it often.

Rev, yourself and a few others on this board have done this often. You make the claim that you're not racist, that your dislike for President Obama has more to do with his politics and/or actions than it does the color of his skin, and yet you've gone out of your way to inject race into this issue where it doesn't belong. The discussion should be about the validity of the President's long-form birth certificate, but instead the discussion has turned ever so slightly about racism only because there have been slight racial enuendo here or there throughout the thread.

Here we have a man with a very unusually path in his life. And as such, the validity of his birth was brough into question. But instead of us saying, "Well, that settles it! He's an American," were' now talking about comments he made concerning his grandmother's instinctive defensive habits when strange Black men would approach her. Obama told of such an incident in his book, "Dream from my Father" (Page 87-89) when he mentioned an incident where his grandmother was approached by a strange Black man who was rather aggressive in asking her for money while at the bus stop on her way to work.

"A man asked me for money yesterday. While I was waiting for the bus," Barack's grandmother, Toot, had stated.

"That's all?" he asked.

"He was very aggressive, Barry. Very aggressive. I gave him a dollar and he kept asking. If the bus hadn't come, I think he might have hit me over the head."

His grandfather's reply to the situation:

[She's been bothered by men before. You know why she's so scared this time? I'll tell you why. Before you came in, she told me the fella was black."

There was a reason the President's grandmother acted that way around strange Black men. But what that interview the Good Rev mentions didn't make clear was that the President's grandparents had a few very close Black friends. In fact, according to the book, "Gramps" best friends was a Black man called Frank. Toot apparently wasn't afraid of him at all because according to the book, Frank was a constant visitor to their home for dinner and other family events.

To put this issue in perspective, I'm usually very comfortable around most White people. But every once in a while when it's just me and I'm around the rouge-biker types I do tend to get alittle nervous. But I also get just a nervous when I find myself around a group of thuggish-looking Black men who resemble gangbangers rather than fine, upstanding individuals. It's not racially motivated; it's more fear from the unknown than anything else. Now, if Barack's grandmother reacted that way only when around Black people, I'd say maybe there is a hint of racism in her. But from what he described in the interview, I'd say it was more a matter of her protective instincts coming through. It happens.

When I first move to Alabama, I had an old White woman lock her doors as my wife (who I was just dating at the time) and I existed our car at a local shopping center. I didn't see it happen, but my wife did and she was furious! I just laughed because I understood why she did it.

A little old lady sitting in her car alone and a Black man gets close to her car door. Maybe there was a hint of racism in her actions, but I'd like to think it was just an old lady being protective of herself.
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Brother, I am not a racist. Never have been, never will be. You really need to stop this.
 
SheWolf said:
Well, that's what you get when you try to treat a Conservative like the Conservatives treat Obama... :roll:
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Oh quit whining, or I'll start bringing back some of the postings from the 8 years of Bush, and the downright vitriol spewed from liberals toward Bush, Bush supporters, and anyone that even claimed to be a conservative.

StillBallin said:
I wonder if ptif realizes that he has two autobiographies/memoirs out and that they are likely available at his public library.
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Yeah, one of them written by Bill Ayers, you know, the man that Obama says he didn't know that well?

SheWolf said:
How many jokes about Hillary's sexuality have you heard, have you made?
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I don't know, maybe a few over the years....But I just agreed with SB, why are you still beating a dead horse?

j-mac
 
Re: White House releases Obama birth certificate

UtahBill said:
but didnt' you score about where you expected to?
I score just above and right of center...
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No, as I was saying I could manipulate a few of the really dumb questions and it would switch around:



Governments should penalise businesses that mislead the public. Threw me far to the right, no libertarian supports companies lying to its customers.

Abortion, when the woman's life is not threatened, should always be illegal.Threw me far to the right, as a libertarian I think life is the ultimate liberty needing defending

When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things. I have no idea even how to answer this, I said strong disagree and It went right

Abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all. I think it's mostly ****e, threw me to the right

Astrology accurately explains many things. WTF?

Some people are naturally unlucky. Again, WTF
 
SheWolf said:
No, and he wasn't born in America. I just like pointing out hypocrisy.. :shrug:
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Actually, those born in a military hospital on an American post in a foreign country are deemed to be natural born citizens, because the land that the post is on is considered to be American soil.

Try again.

j-mac
 
Difference is j, a good number of us put down the Bush was behind 9/11 nonsense. Hell, at WS we even banned a good bit of the Bush is Hitler nonsense. Look around here and many who claim to be reasonable conservatives are excusing the Birther nonsense. I think that shows a difference. Don't you?
 
j-mac said:
Oh quit whining, or I'll start bringing back some of the postings from the 8 years of Bush, and the downright vitriol spewed from liberals toward Bush, Bush supporters, and anyone that even claimed to be a conservative.



Yeah, one of them written by Bill Ayers, you know, the man that Obama says he didn't know that well?



I don't know, maybe a few over the years....But I just agreed with SB, why are you still beating a dead horse?

j-mac
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AFAICT this is nothing more than a conspiracy theory, if you have any real evidence for this j-mac I'd like to see it.
 
Boo Radley said:
Difference is j, a good number of us put down the Bush was behind 9/11 nonsense. Hell, at WS we even banned a good bit of the Bush is Hitler nonsense. Look around here and many who claim to be reasonable conservatives are excusing the Birther nonsense. I think that shows a difference. Don't you?
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Well, that is convenient for you eh? Able to throw a statement out there without any real documentation to back it up, fore we all know that WS is long gone, and nothing retrievable. As I recall it, when the Bush name calling, and nonsense was prevalent very few got called out publicly for their postings by other libs. Most were just ignored, much the same as this situation.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Actually, those born in a military hospital on an American post in a foreign country are deemed to be natural born citizens, because the land that the post is on is considered to be American soil.

Try again.

j-mac
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Not so true. My daughter was born on a base in Italy, and I had to end up getting a certificate of citizenship for her. Why? I was born abroad, and my wife was born abroad, even though I had citizenship through my father who was born in the U.S. Besides if someone born on a base in a foreign country is deemed to be born on american soil, then this whole birther issue shows it's pointlessness.
 
tjinta ibis said:
Not so true. My daughter was born on a base in Italy, and I had to end up getting a certificate of citizenship for her. Why? I was born abroad, and my wife was born abroad, even though I had citizenship through my father who was born in the U.S. Besides if someone born on a base in a foreign country is deemed to be born on american soil, then this whole birther issue shows it's pointlessness.
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Not that I'm trying to defend birthers at all, but this does not follow.
 
TBone said:
Please! What does this have to do with W? Bottom line, tp's and trumps birther crap was a spin. I still go with the premise if Obama was all white, this issue would have never surfaced.
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McCain.............. just sayin t- bone. :shrug:
 
j-mac said:
Well, that is convenient for you eh? Able to throw a statement out there without any real documentation to back it up, fore we all know that WS is long gone, and nothing retrievable. As I recall it, when the Bush name calling, and nonsense was prevalent very few got called out publicly for their postings by other libs. Most were just ignored, much the same as this situation.

j-mac
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j, Surely you can check with those banned and those who banned. We pulled a Bush is Hitler thread, denounced Moveon for their ad, and Banned a few who wouldn't stop. It caused a lot of debate amongst us.

And I always said the bush was behind 9/11 nonsense was nonsense. You know that if you have any honest memory at all.

But I'm not talking about ignoring. You guys are actively defending. That is even worse.
 
StillBallin75 said:
AFAICT this is nothing more than a conspiracy theory, if you have any real evidence for this j-mac I'd like to see it.
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Well, I don't think that anyone really knows the truth on that one, but some interesting observations have come out over the years, such as this from Andrew McCarthy whom I don't think is a crackpot by any standard.

There has been speculation about this which I’ve ignored, no doubt because there are enough policy reasons to oppose Barack Obama and I don’t want to feed into what sounds, at first blush, like Vince Fosteresque paranoia. But I’ve finally read Jack Cashill’s lengthy analysis in The American Thinker. It is thorough, thoughtful, and alarming — particularly his deconstruction of the text in Obama’s memoir and comparison to the themes, sophistication and signature phraseology of Bill Ayers’ memoir.

There is nothing in Obama’s scant paper trail prior to 1995 that would suggest something as stylish and penetrating as, at times, Dreams from My Father is. And when Obama speaks extemporaneously, one doesn’t hear the same voice one encounters in the book. Now maybe Obama has a backlog of writing fom Columbia or Harvard that signal great literary promise, but he not only hasn’t shared it, he’s assiduously hidden traces of it. And, to be sure, writing is different from speaking — in fairness, some of Obama’s off-the-cuff bumbling when he speaks is certainly due to the rigors of the campaign which would cause even the most gifted communicator to faulter from time to time. But it’s not unreasonable to expect more similarity between Obama the writer and Obama the orator.

Did Obama Write “Dreams from My Father” … Or Did Ayers? - By Andrew C. McCarthy - The Corner - National Review Online
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j-mac
 
Boo Radley said:
That's nonsense rev. Seriously, when you ask something one one person that you don't ask of others, ignore all evidence, and conctinue to push something that is outright silly, you have to ask why?
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McCain was asked as well.


Hillary campaign brought up the issue. That racist! :roll:
 
j-mac said:
Oh quit whining, or I'll start bringing back some of the postings from the 8 years of Bush, and the downright vitriol spewed from liberals toward Bush, Bush supporters, and anyone that even claimed to be a conservative.



Yeah, one of them written by Bill Ayers, you know, the man that Obama says he didn't know that well?



I don't know, maybe a few over the years....But I just agreed with SB, why are you still beating a dead horse?

j-mac
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I am not whining... I just pointing out irony.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
McCain was asked as well.


Hillary campaign brought up the issue. That racist! :roll:
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Actually no, he was brought up to show the hypocracy. There was no serious challenege to McCain. And it doesn't matter who brough it up first. The question applies to all who brought it up.
 
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