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Obama to speak on birth certificate

Re: White House releases Obama birth certificate

I know I know I know - you are going to bring up dontaskdontelll and gaymarriage and druglaws and the other stuff that you like to think proves you are not a rightie. As I told you before, those are fluff issues compared to the fight for the rights of working people and the middle class against the corporatists and those who will do anything to crush them and place them on the roaq to serfdom.
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Hyperbole just killed your argument. This is ridiculous.
 
hazlnut said:
He's on TV talking about his show's finale.

He's a clown.

He's incapable of making anyone a bitch.
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well, I would say that he made himself a bitch, but that happened years ago...
 
hazlnut said:
You don't understand the concept of a 'Trump' card... You play it when you want take someone out at the knees.

Obama played it brilliantly.

BTW -- The state of Hawaii could have said no. We won't release the long form publicly. No need to. The short form is a legal birth certificate.

Will Fox News ask Trump about his crack team of 'investigators' that were turning up all kinds of stuff?
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I thought about this when Anderson Cooper mentioned that all the President had to do was request his long-form BC via FOIA. My first thought was he should do it and let the Hawaii health officials present it to the public. But then I thought, Nah! It would be so much better if he did it. However, I'd have done it differently.

I'd have called a press conference, called a FoxNews reporter from the press corps, gave him the actually birth certificate and had him read it...ALL OF IT! Then I'd've taken back my birth certificate and closed the press conference; just take walked off stage answering not a single question.
 
randel said:
bump...curious to hear what you folks have to say
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It didn't "just" become an issue...it's been around forever. What changed was Donald Trump getting hold of it. Suddenly it wasn't just birthers or birfers or any other derogatory name one wants to plant on the people raising questions. Suddenly. It was mainstream. Again I'll say it -- either he should have released it at the very beginning of the Long Form controversy, or he should have never released it.
 
MaggieD said:
It didn't "just" become an issue...it's been around forever. What changed was Donald Trump getting hold of it. Suddenly it wasn't just birthers or birfers or any other derogatory name one wants to plant on the people raising questions. Suddenly. It was mainstream. Again I'll say it -- either he should have released it at the very beginning of the Long Form controversy, or he should have never released it.
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I think randel's question was, if there had been any ACTUAL dirt on Obama, his rivals during the election would have dug it right up and used it.
 
MaggieD said:
It didn't "just" become an issue...it's been around forever. What changed was Donald Trump getting hold of it. Suddenly it wasn't just birthers or birfers or any other derogatory name one wants to plant on the people raising questions. Suddenly. It was mainstream. Again I'll say it -- either he should have released it at the very beginning of the Long Form controversy, or he should have never released it.
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Not sure Trump is mainstream. Isn't he just another birther? Playing to birthers? There never was an issue, and there still isn't.
 
randel said:
kinda looking for a response to the questions i asked......
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People were discussing the "birther" issue before the election. Jerome Corsi's book came out before the election (months before) and discusses the issue of Obama's legitimacy to run. I'm betting that McCain and Clinton's lag in the polls led to their lack of desire to pursue the issue. If they wasted too many resources on it then it would likely deter any gains they were hoping to get through other campaign avenues.
 
StillBallin75 said:
oh sorry my bad
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no problem...if i was running against him, either in the dem primary or the general, and i had this info, i would have been screaming it from the mountain tops....anyone here going to tell me that both sides don't have people digging for dirt on the other party? seriously? and if there was proof, why wasnt it found before the general election?
 
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Boo Radley said:
Not sure Trump is mainstream. Isn't he just another birther? Playing to birthers? There never was an issue, and there still isn't.
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See, that's the thing. YOU say there never was an issue...that there still isn't an issue. Yet the most powerful man in the world knuckled under to what amounts to gossip and released exactly what they were looking for -- the long form. If there wasn't an issue, then ask yourself why the President of the United States is responding to gossip. Will he come out next to assure us he's not racist? (Judging by this thread, that just might be his next move. ;) )

Trump wasn't playing to birthers. He raised a legitimate question. "Why won't he release his long form birth certificate?" And way too many people were suddenly sayin', "Yeah!! Why not??"
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
OMFG for the love of GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY...... :lamo


I am not blaming him, what he offered was proof in my book, however there was this other form, and folks were demanding it, by saying nuh uh, he fanned these idiots flames.
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How is this not blaming?:

3. By him not showing this "long form" or whatever, he allowed the question to remain in the spotlight. right or wrong, it fanned these flames.

The short form is what he provided. That should have been the end of it. It was not his problem that morons did not accept it. I think finally Obama had enough, and went through the trouble of getting the long form in hope the insanity would stop.

You seem to be classic passive-aggressive here, Rev. First, you call him a bitch because he gave in. Now, it's his fault because he waited too long. What is it, you are all over the place.
Crap, there is a lot to criticize Obama over, this is not one of them.

He could have played this to a great advantage but trump trumped him by forcing his hand.
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Really? I see it as Trump looking more like a first class maroon more than anything (and to think that was possible!). Pot-a-to, pot-ah-to.
 
Middleground said:
How is this not blaming?:

3. By him not showing this "long form" or whatever, he allowed the question to remain in the spotlight. right or wrong, it fanned these flames.

The short form is what he provided. That should have been the end of it. It was not his problem that morons did not accept it. I think finally Obama had enough, and went through the trouble of getting the long form in hope the insanity would stop.

You seem to be classic passive-aggressive here, Rev. First, you call him a bitch because he gave in. Now, it's his fault because he waited too long. What is it, you are all over the place.
Crap, there is a lot to criticize Obama over, this is not one of them.
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Read on, I modifed my position later in the thread.


He held onto the controversy by not releasing this long form. The birthers are morons, this was moron bait. the only thing is, trump forced his hand.


Really? I see it as Trump looking more like a first class maroon more than anything (and to think that was possible!). Pot-a-to, pot-ah-to.
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more like? he's always been. the left wing populist is a media whore.
 
randel said:
no problem...if i was running against him, either in the dem primary or the general, and i had this info, i would have been screaming it from the mountain tops....anyone here going to tell me that both sides don't have people digging for dirt on the other party? seriously? and if there was proof, why wasnt it found before the general election?
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because the future birthers didn't think he could win....
they thought the rich old white man had the usual lock on the position.
They got pissed when Obama won, and can't get over it....
I guess they think that somehow the election can be undone.
 
Reasonable people have long regarded the birthers as political retards. And, that being said, I'm pretty sure there is no cure for retardation so I doubt this will have any effect on their line of thought.

What I am surprised about is how many retards there actually are. I figured 11-12%. You know, the Becksters, Limbaughnauts, Palinites. I was surprised to learn that there are a lot more stupid walking around out there than we realized.

USA TODAY/Gallup Poll released Monday showed the issue gaining surprising traction, given that investigations by news outlets and non-partisan organizations consistently concluded there was no question about Obama's place of birth. In the poll, taken last week, only 38% of Americans said they thought the president was "definitely" born in the United States; 18% said he "probably" was.

Nearly one in four, 24%, said he was probably or definitely born in another country.
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Captain America said:
Reasonable people have long regarded the birthers as political retards. And, that being said, I'm pretty sure there is no cure for retardation so I doubt this will have any effect on their line of thought.

What I am surprised about is how many retards there actually are. I figured 11-12%. You know, the Becksters, Limbaughnauts, Palinites. I was surprised to learn that there are a lot more stupid walking around out there than we realized.
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MaggieD said:
See, that's the thing. YOU say there never was an issue...that there still isn't an issue. Yet the most powerful man in the world knuckled under to what amounts to gossip and released exactly what they were looking for -- the long form. If there wasn't an issue, then ask yourself why the President of the United States is responding to gossip. Will he come out next to assure us he's not racist? (Judging by this thread, that just might be his next move. ;) )

Trump wasn't playing to birthers. He raised a legitimate question. "Why won't he release his long form birth certificate?" And way too many people were suddenly sayin', "Yeah!! Why not??"
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It's not a legitimate question. It's a dumb question raised by dumb, bored people. I assume the Obama's polling people thought that this was a good time to release the long form - it's too bad it had to become a huge issue.
 
I am surprised that Obama didn't wait to show his birth certificate until the last day of his presidency.

Is ALL Obama's fault for a lot of people being birthers, and I bet that his wife gave him the idea to FINALLYshow his real birth certificate. The man doesn't have the brains to think for himself.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
Pacers got destroyed. Better not piss Hugh off.
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You say that, but there was a study done in the 70s that said people were more likely to vote out an incumbent when their sport team has lost recently.
 
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