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Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

RyrineaHaruno

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Innocent people interrogated for years on slimmest pretexts
• Children, elderly and mentally ill among those wrongfully held
• 172 prisoners remain, some with no prospect of trial or release


Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison | World news | The Guardian

Here is the file with the fifteen year old boy that was a kidnap victim

I'm not shocked that these people would "interrogate" children. People that supported in keeping this prison are sick and I hate that Obama is keeping it open. Yeah, lets keep open a prison were children were interrogated for being terrorist
 
This is what democracy looks like?
 
You can expect a lot of silence over this. No one wants to admit how god damn wrong they were.
 
You can expect a lot of silence over this. No one wants to admit how god damn wrong they were.

How bad is Guantanamo? If you tried KSM in a civilian court, they would have to release him because all the evidence is tainted by torture. Fruit of a tainted tree. That is why he will be tried by the military.. No doubt of results with the mililtary, like Graner and England. Sh*t rolls downhill. KSM is a real bag of sh*t, but justice has been terminated. UCMJ because they follow orders.
 
This is what democracy looks like?

Omar Khadr, aged 15 at the time, is the son of an alleged al-Qaida leader in Canada. He killed a US soldier by throwing a grenade at him during a battle at a suspected al-Qaida base in Afghanistan. Khadr has spent nearly nine years in Cuba as a result.

His 2004 assessment stresses the intelligence value of his family connections. "Based on the detainee's folder, the knowledgeability brief and subsequent interrogations by JTF Guantánamo, the detainee is of high intelligence value to the United States.

"Detainee continues to provide valuable information on his father's associates, and on non-governmental organisations that he worked with in supporting al-Qaida, as well as other major facilitators of interest to the US."
Khadr pleaded guilty to war crimes at a military tribunal in October 2010, becoming the first minor to face such a conviction since the second world war. The plea deal is due to see him transferred to Canada later this year, to serve the remainder of an agreed eight-year sentence.
 
You can expect a lot of silence over this. No one wants to admit how god damn wrong they were.

Agreed, but lets hope they say something that will get them in too trouble with the media.


Oh wait a minute... didn't Bush already do that by claiming water boarding helped save British lives? :roll:And we did nothing about it your correct . ;)
 

Sooo im guessing im sick because i dont support torture? I dont support questionable methods of interrogation? I dont support fair trials? I dont support the right to habeus corpus? I dont support people who have been innocent being held for years and years on end?

Your right i am "sick".. Sorry i believe in the right of law.... Something i thought America stood for.. Oh well im just "sick."
 
Sooo im guessing im sick because i dont support torture? I dont support questionable methods of interrogation? I dont support fair trials? I dont support the right to habeus corpus? I dont support people who have been innocent being held for years and years on end?

Your right i am "sick".. Sorry i believe in the right of law.... Something i thought America stood for.. Oh well im just "sick."

I dont support people who have been innocent being held for years and years on end?
you may want to edit this, this just doesn't sound right.
 
Kids can be terrorists. Kids can be brainwashed. We have "gang members" here who are still in elementary school committing acts of violence with and without weapons. Why is it so far-fetched to assume that a "child" of 14 or 15 could be absolutely convinced that anybody out of alignment with their world view must die? This kid was kidnapped, but if he hadn't been capture when he was it is very likely that his kidnapping would have led to indoctrination and further resource for Al Queda or any other jihadist group seeking to nullify us or anybody else they dislike.

Also, not sure why anybody is surprised by what Wikileaks has produced. I've heard most of this before via the MSM.
 
Omar Khadr, aged 15 at the time, is the son of an alleged al-Qaida leader in Canada. He killed a US soldier by throwing a grenade at him during a battle at a suspected al-Qaida base in Afghanistan. Khadr has spent nearly nine years in Cuba as a result.

His 2004 assessment stresses the intelligence value of his family connections. "Based on the detainee's folder, the knowledgeability brief and subsequent interrogations by JTF Guantánamo, the detainee is of high intelligence value to the United States.

"Detainee continues to provide valuable information on his father's associates, and on non-governmental organisations that he worked with in supporting al-Qaida, as well as other major facilitators of interest to the US."
Khadr pleaded guilty to war crimes at a military tribunal in October 2010, becoming the first minor to face such a conviction since the second world war. The plea deal is due to see him transferred to Canada later this year, to serve the remainder of an agreed eight-year sentence.

He said that because someone told him that someone was going to rape him in prison if he didn't say he had done the crime.

This week, a 16-year-old boy was seen crying for his mother under interrogation in Guantánamo. How did he get there? | World news | The Guardian



 
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He was said he did because someone told him that someone was going to rape him in prison if he didn't say he had done the crime. I mean would a boy cry for his mother if he had done the crime?

This week, a 16-year-old boy was seen crying for his mother under interrogation in Guantánamo. How did he get there? | World news | The Guardian

I had to have a 16 year old arrested after he stole $500 in product from my store, then threated a staff member. When the cop tried to restrain him the kid took a shot. The cop took him down and cuffed him. IMMEDIATELY the kid started crying, begging for his mother. Just sayin'.
 
Guantanamo is everything America is not supposed to be. Shame on Obama for breaking his promise.
 
This prison is no better than a Soviet Gulag. It hope for a swift closing of it.
 
I had to have a 16 year old arrested after he stole $500 in product from my store, then threated a staff member. When the cop tried to restrain him the kid took a shot. The cop took him down and cuffed him. IMMEDIATELY the kid started crying, begging for his mother. Just sayin'.

Um...... Yeah, but this is a little bit different. This was after Omar had turned sixteen years old he was 15 at the time of his capture..." Plus, the fact this boy might have been tortured in the process makes me a little bit iffy on his supposed confession.



See the video of the integration first.
 
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Just so people know, I'm pretty sure Gitmo isn't closing in the next year or so.

There is no other place to keep prisoners of a war like we are fighting. We most likely aren't going to bring them to US soil to be tried in our courts and it also unlikely that they will be released to kill more people. It's called "a rock" and "a hardplace" and Gitmo is right there in the middle.
 
It's a mean world out there and there are lots of evil people, there is also lots of nice and peaceful people out there as well and hopefully more so than the previously mentioned. There is a fine line between them and us, so who's willing to stand between good and evil, it will take some place you won't want to return to. You maybe right or you maybe wrong but one thing for sure you will understand it.

BTW shame on the human race, we are all to blame.
 
Oh please, to say were all to blame is brushing this thing off like its something we shouldn't talk about. We should be talking about it and try to make changes in order to do the right thing as a people Guantanamo bay prison should be closed down.
 
Oh please, to say were all to blame is brushing this thing off like its something we shouldn't talk about. We should be talking about it and try to make changes in order to do the right thing as a people Guantanamo bay prison should be closed down.

Okay, and where do we put those who we are all pretty confident have masterminded or controlled violence against Americans and other world citizens?
 
Okay, and where do we put those who we are all pretty confident have masterminded or controlled violence against Americans and other world citizens?

Rolls eyes, I have confidence in our prison system to hold them and keep them away from others.
 
Rolls eyes, I have confidence in our prison system to hold them and keep them away from others.

At what expense? In what facility? With what security measures? In what state? It isn't as simple as saying "oh, we'll keep 'em separate". If you want Gitmo closed I respect your opinion, but I'm not willing to stand on some arbitrary moral compass if the alternative has the potential to harm more people. The logistics have to be worked out before anybody is moved out of that prison. I remember articles from several news sources illustrating how avidly states were fighting to keep the detainees out of their prisons. We don't want them in Gitmo, but we don't want them here, either...
 
At what expense? In what facility? With what security measures? In what state? It isn't as simple as saying "oh, we'll keep 'em separate". If you want Gitmo closed I respect your opinion, but I'm not willing to stand on some arbitrary moral compass if the alternative has the potential to harm more people. The logistics have to be worked out before anybody is moved out of that prison. I remember articles from several news sources illustrating how avidly states were fighting to keep the detainees out of their prisons. We don't want them in Gitmo, but we don't want them here, either...

Oh, I believe they talked about a place awhile back in the media when they were discussing the civilian trails. I beleive it was the Thomson facility in Illinois prison and it was a High level security site thought its been awhile. So, I might be a little bit fuzzy on details and such but from what I read about the facility it sounds like a great place to hold these people.
 
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Oh please, to say were all to blame is brushing this thing off like its something we shouldn't talk about. We should be talking about it and try to make changes in order to do the right thing as a people Guantanamo bay prison should be closed down.
Well lets start with your idea, what do we do with the prisoners, how do we put them on trail, how do we capture them in field, how do we interrogate them in the field, where do we take them, who do we release, although in war time countries who capture people(I 'll use this term)in the field of battle, this individuals are either shot for being out of uniform or flag, or they become POW's until the war is over. They could built a camp on the backside of Kingwood, with just a few guards.

I will grant you that many mistakes have been made, then again whoever said war is a endeavor of sanity. BTW I do not see any hardcore push to end these wars from either the left (especially from the left) or right, therefor we are to blame.

BTW I agree with you...shame on Obama for lying, fighting a illegal war, torturing, attacking a sovereign country we are not at war with, with predators, starting another unconstitutional war and attacking a sovereign country without provocation. Yep we are in another fine mess aren't we RyrineaHaruno
 
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Well lets start with your idea, what do we do with the prisoners, how do we put them on trail, how do we capture them in field, how do we interrogate them in the field, where do we take them, who do we release, although in war time countries who capture people(I 'll use this term)in the field of battle, this individuals are either shot for being out of uniform or flag, or they become POW's until the war is over. They could built a camp on the backside of Kingwood, with just a few guards.

Wow way to broaden the question and I love how you do the scary they could put them in Kingwood with just a few guards ploy. We have that now at our local prison that is near the local ball park in the city of Humble limits.:doh Also, it doesn't scare me to think that these people are here in Texas I would think of them the same way I do all criminals which to me they are scumbags.

Do you even research your little threat before you posted such ridicules comments.
 
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