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Violence in another Mc Donalds almost kills customer

Crosscheck said:
Do you really believe that if it had been two white girls kicking a black girl on the floor the black employees would have just watched?

McDonald's may have a policy about getting involved but I think employees could have at done a little more than watch. Would love to hear McDonald's response.
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As someone who has worked retail, non-intervention is drilled into your head on day one in most places. I have seen terrible things happen, from people come into the store and crap on the carpet, to people just stealing things and walking out the door to an outright brawl (J.C. Penny, you so classy).

As an employee, you are never allowed to intervene. Even touching a customer, for any reason, is the highest taboo imaginable.

I think it's ridiculous just to look at the color of these people's skin and assume you entirely understand their motivations. When I saw a white cop beat and taze a black teenager at a McDonald's because he thought she short changed him (she didn't) I didn't think "he's racist" I thought "he's an asshole."
 
TheBook said:
As someone who has worked retail, non-intervention is drilled into your head on day one in most places. I have seen terrible things happen, from people come into the store and crap on the carpet, to people just stealing things and walking out the door to an outright brawl (J.C. Penny, you so classy).

As an employee, you are never allowed to intervene. Even touching a customer, for any reason, is the highest taboo imaginable.

I think it's ridiculous just to look at the color of these people's skin and assume you entirely understand their motivations. When I saw a white cop beat and taze a black teenager at a McDonald's because he thought she short changed him (she didn't) I didn't think "he's racist" I thought "he's an asshole."
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Race had nothing to do with this, it was the person's gender identity, and atleast one of the workers didn't do anything because he thought the lady deserved it.
 
Redress said:
Most places have policy to not get involved in situations like this both due to risk of employees and risk of possible legal liability(ie getting sued). Assuming racism is just stupid when other factors are more likely.
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Holy crap Redress! Are you for real?

Nobody would have sued any person for stepping in to protect this woman.

McDonalds employees could have locked her a back room and called 911.

Instead they just stood there and did nothing to help her.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
As a side question for all the parents here

If a male transvestite went into the womans washroom where your daughter which your daughter was in and someone came out saying there is a man in the womans washroom what you you do?
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Not a parent, but I do look out for my younger cousins and my GF's younger cousins when they visit.

I would walk in, ask the person what they were doing, upon finding out they were TG I would apologize and slink out in shame and annoyed at the ignorance of the person who came out and spouted off crap without having any idea what they were talking about.

Also, a transvestite and someone who is transgendered are COMPLETELY different. I'm going to assume you meant trangendered, not a male who simply dresses in women's clothes but has no real want to be a woman.
 
Ron Mars said:
Holy crap Redress! Are you for real?

Nobody would have sued any person for stepping in to protect this woman.

McDonalds employees could have locked her a back room and called 911.

Instead they just stood there and did nothing to help her.
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You would be incredibly surprised how many people I know who have been fired for doing something just like that...
 
Your Star said:
Race had nothing to do with this, it was the person's gender identity, and atleast one of the workers didn't do anything because he thought the lady deserved it.
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Huh. Well, now, if that's truly the case, and the guy admitted to encouraging a hate crime, then he's a ****head.

Don't you just love ignorance?
 
TheBook said:
Huh. Well, now, if that's truly the case, and the guy admitted to encouraging a hate crime, then he's a ****head.

Don't you just love ignorance?
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Yeah, he was stupid enough to post incriminating stuff over facebook, and twitter, I had a link, but I can't find it now. But that is the real motivation for the crime.
 
Your Star said:
Yeah, he was stupid enough to post incriminating stuff over facebook, and twitter, I had a link, but I can't find it now. But that is the real motivation for the crime.
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I just found a link to a video some guy (possibly the one you are referring to, as I heard 4chan tracked him down via his facebook) took the whole proceedings. It's pretty nasty though, so I'm unsure if posting it here is okay.
 
TheBook said:
You would be incredibly surprised how many people I know who have been fired for doing something just like that...
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So what! I used to work at McDonalds and never would have let that happen to any customer and it would not have mattered who the victim was.
 
Ron Mars said:
So what! I used to work at McDonalds and never would have let that happen to any customer and it would not have matterd who the victim was.
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Alright. Not everyone is you. Plenty of people simply freeze up in pressure situations.

On a side note, after viewing the video a few times, one of the workers there actually breaks up the fight several times and tries to pull the black women off of the white woman, only to get slugged and pushed away. So it certainly wan't as black and white as that article makes it seem, if you'll pardon the pun.
 
Redress said:
I have no way of knowing. Assuming how people would react, or what their motivations are because it is convenient is a good way to deceive yourself. The employees may very well have acted the way they did because of racism. But there is a very strong possibility that they reacted the way they did because the manager told them to stay out of it, worrying about his people getting hurt(his primary responsibility in the situation) or that if some one got hurt the store would be sued.
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I would love to say I would jump into help but if I have a McJobby? I am not sure I would risk my life in order to jump in and do something. I think I would and risk getting fired. But I am not 100% sure unless I was in that setting.
 
Kali said:
I would love to say I would jump into help but if I have a McJobby? I am not sure I would risk my life in order to jump in and do something. I think I would and risk getting fired. But I am not 100% sure unless I was in that setting.
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I would have taken a pan from the back of the kitchen, and beaten the attackers with it. My job wouldn't be worth watching someone getting beat within an inch of their life.
 
Your Star said:
I would have taken a pan from the back of the kitchen, and beaten the attackers with it. My job wouldn't be worth watching someone getting beat within an inch of their life.
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Ideally I would've placed myself between the attackers and their victim and simply stood there. If they want to hit me, then go for it, I can take a hit and they'll be the ones being sued at the end of the day.
 
TheBook said:
Ideally I would've placed myself between the attackers and their victim and simply stood there. If they want to hit me, then go for it, I can take a hit and they'll be the ones being sued at the end of the day.
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I wouldn't take the chance of putting myself in harm, they would be getting smacked in the head, and I would trust the legal system to not charge me with anything.
 
ElCid said:
I vow, here and now, to NEVER frequent McDonalds again. Years ago, I scratched Walmart off my list. Today, I scratch off Mickey Deez. You've gone Black, McDonalds, and you've lost this White customer, forever.
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What? You are gonna stop eating some place over this? Makes no sense and your gone black comment is disgusting.
 
Your Star said:
I wouldn't take the chance of putting myself in harm, they would be getting smacked in the head, and I would trust the legal system to not charge me with anything.
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I wouldn't have taken that chance unless I had someone vicious like Turtle as my lawyer. I prefer to play it safe with the law, and it hasn't hurt me yet.
 
TheBook said:
Alright. Not everyone is you. Plenty of people simply freeze up in pressure situations.
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Not where I come from. Any real man would have stepped into help. Their job be damned.

TheBook said:
On a side note, after viewing the video a few times, one of the workers there actually breaks up the fight several times and tries to pull the black women off of the white woman, only to get slugged and pushed away. So it certainly wan't as black and white as that article makes it seem, if you'll pardon the pun.
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The woman was on the ground holding her head in the first minute and no one stepped in to help.

What happend to the men in this country?
 
TheBook said:
I wouldn't have taken that chance unless I had someone vicious like Turtle as my lawyer. I prefer to play it safe with the law, and it hasn't hurt me yet.
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I would taking risking legal action against me, instead of risking feeling like I let a fellow human being down in a time of need. I guess it depends on how you prioritize things.
 
Your Star said:
I would have taken a pan from the back of the kitchen, and beaten the attackers with it. My job wouldn't be worth watching someone getting beat within an inch of their life.
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Yeah. I would love to think I would do something like that but not sure. I am not the kind of person who sits back and watches peeps get beat without doing anything so am pretty sure I woulda done something. Just not sure what.

I hope I never have to be in that kind of place and have to find out. It would be nice if the humanrace would stop sucking so bad and start treating each other with kindess and respect.
 
Kali said:
I would love to say I would jump into help but if I have a McJobby? I am not sure I would risk my life in order to jump in and do something. I think I would and risk getting fired. But I am not 100% sure unless I was in that setting.
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It's hard to see but I find it very difficult to believe there were no men in the resturant.

Some male weenies perhaps but obvioulsy not any men.
 
Your Star said:
I would taking risking legal action against me, instead of risking feeling like I let a fellow human being down in a time of need. I guess it depends on how you prioritize things.
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I feel similarly, which is why I would still try to break it up, but just by denying the girls an easy target.

I'm not aggressive, but I have been in my fair share of fights nonetheless and most of the time, if you just stand there and take it, the person simply doesn't know what to do.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
At least may now have a reason for the assualt

The transgendered man went into the womans washroom, where the two black woman noticed that he/she was a man and went ballistic

As a side question for all the parents here

If a male transvestite went into the womans washroom where your daughter which your daughter was in and someone came out saying there is a man in the womans washroom what you you do?
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Do you have a link? That info wasn't in the one Noodle posted.
 
TheBook said:
I feel similarly, which is why I would still try to break it up, but just by denying the girls an easy target.

I'm not aggressive, but I have been in my fair share of fights nonetheless and most of the time, if you just stand there and take it, the person simply doesn't know what to do.
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The only kind of confrontation I have been in has been in a hockey rink, so I wouldn't even attempt to fight fair, especially if they are bigger then me.
 
Ron Mars said:
Holy crap Redress! Are you for real?

Nobody would have sued any person for stepping in to protect this woman.

McDonalds employees could have locked her a back room and called 911.

Instead they just stood there and did nothing to help her.
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I believe Redress is right when it comes to the policies of some stores and intervening in situations. You are most likely to hear about instances involving Wal-Mart employees taking down bad guys and then getting terminated. It happens quite often, I believe the employee's sense of rightand wrong overrides company policy in those cases. Is it more likely to cause more trouble and more people to get hurt?, so far, that has yet to be shown to be the case in my opinion.
 
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