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Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

Now GOP has backed off touching medicare! Could a told ya!
 
yeah, going to be interesting to see how Boo tries to spin that one into them still not being willing to seriously compromise.

but if we can get through major parts of the Ryan plan in return for the debt-ceiling; that's a good trade, and it achieves these goals 2 years earlier than we thought we were going to.
 
Now GOP has backed off touching medicare! Could a told ya!

Look, the President put a sound commission together, and they came up with a plan. One that would work btw. So why isn't Obama instituting that?

It was HIS commission!


j-mac
 
Look, the President put a sound commission together, and they came up with a plan. One that would work btw. So why isn't Obama instituting that?

It was HIS commission!


j-mac

Same reason no one else is. They would all be without a job the second they tried to impliment the plan. Even the commission admitted it would never fly as I recall.
 
yeah, going to be interesting to see how Boo tries to spin that one into them still not being willing to seriously compromise.

but if we can get through major parts of the Ryan plan in return for the debt-ceiling; that's a good trade, and it achieves these goals 2 years earlier than we thought we were going to.

So, being forced by popular opion means they're willing to compromise? If you say so.
 
why? are you saying that people do not have to have food?

No, I'm saying they have food, and that they also have cheap food.

indeed, and we give medicaid to the same people.

No we have a working poor who do not get meidcaid but cannot afford medical care (this has been shown to you before). They can afford to eat btw.


actually food in general is available at historically cheap prices - we spend less of our income feeding ourselves now than at any other point in human history. because we have allowed it to be sold and purchased on the free market. other countries have not done this - and the result is usually mass starvation.

No. You oversimplify to fit your idealolgy. food is cheaper for a lot of reasons, including rather anti-market forces like corrporate farms that put the family farm out of business. Not to mention abundance.

really? i can just opt out and say that Obamacare doesn't apply to me? well hot dog - where do i get the forms? there are going to be some governors that are going to be very excited to hear about this.

Now that was a silly response. You get in a serious accident or have sudden illness, you will be treated. uninsured, you likely won't be able to pay for it, and others will carry your tab. no, you cannot opt out if it.

i dont always agree with them - and I don't always agree with scalia. but i know that if you put an argument as blatantly stupid as the one this woman made in front of him, he's going to land on it like a 2,000 lb bomb.

Your statement would carry more weight if you honestly tried to understand the argument. The tactic of singling out words as if they stood alone is weak and frankly dishonest. The context of the argument hindges not on mental activity, but that it is related to something you cannot opt of because health is not controllable.
 
No we have a working poor who do not get meidcaid but cannot afford medical care

uva study cited by asa shows americans with NO INSURANCE fare better (shorter stays, lower costs, lower mortalities) than their neighbors on medicaid

ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

this has been shown to you before

LOL!

food is cheaper for a lot of reasons

World Food Prices Rise to Near-Record High as Inflation Speeds Up, UN Says - Bloomberg

Now that was a silly response

says the serious chin stroker who cites news from AUSTRALIA in a discussion of teacher retention in new york city
 
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uva study cited by asa shows americans with NO INSURANCE fare better (shorter stays, lower costs, lower mortalities) than their neighbors on medicaid

ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations



LOL!



World Food Prices Rise to Near-Record High as Inflation Speeds Up, UN Says - Bloomberg



says the serious chin stroker who cites news from AUSTRALIA in a discussion of teacher retention in new york city

I know you think you offered a great rebuttal, but you didn't. We've been over the first one, and rising doesn't mean they aren't cheaper in comaprison. :coffeepap
 
rising doesn't mean they aren't cheaper in comaprison

LOL!

Unadjusted mortality for Medicare, Medicaid and Uninsured patient groups were higher compared to Private Insurance groups. Moreover, mortality was lowest for Private Insurance patients independent of operation. Importantly, after controlling for age, gender, income, geographic region, operation, and 30 comorbid conditions, Medicaid payer status was associated with the longest length of stay and highest total costs.

Medicaid was further associated with the greatest adjusted length of stay and total costs despite risk factors or operation. Possible explanations include delays in access to care or disparate differences in health maintenance

ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

what an idiot

obama, i mean
 
So, being forced by popular opinion means they're willing to compromise?

:lol:


and, pray tell, what popular opinion 'forced' them to drop medicare reform for the debt ceiling debate?

popular opinion only "forces" one thing - elections. other than that, congresscritters are free to run all over popular opinion, as we saw with Obamacare.
 
:lol:


and, pray tell, what popular opinion 'forced' them to drop medicare reform for the debt ceiling debate?

popular opinion only "forces" one thing - elections. other than that, congresscritters are free to run all over popular opinion, as we saw with Obamacare.

People don't want their medicare touched. Even tea party members have been clear on that.

And yes, it is the election that worries politicians, and that worry is a force they react to.
 
People don't want their medicare touched.

that's correct they don't; however, that isn't an option - and so the competition is now over how we are to touch medicare. The Ryan planned slightly behind with national adults, but slightly above with everyone over the age of 30. that's not "public pressure forcing them to abandon entitlement reform". we're not talking about the individual mandate here (if public pressure really "forced" anyone to give up on a policy, surely that would be the first to go).
 
that's correct they don't; however, that isn't an option - and so the competition is now over how we are to touch medicare. The Ryan planned slightly behind with national adults, but slightly above with everyone over the age of 30. that's not "public pressure forcing them to abandon entitlement reform". we're not talking about the individual mandate here (if public pressure really "forced" anyone to give up on a policy, surely that would be the first to go).

It is an option. It simply means we have to make other choices. But I do agree there is a disconnect among the voting public. They want programs but don't want to pay for them.

Ryan's reaction shows the pressure. He reads polls better, knowing it is those who vote who matter.
 
exactly. this is a debt-ceiling deal.
 
LOL!


Because (ROLF!) trillions in dollars in cuts off the current (LMAO!) baseline still leaves us trillions in the hole over the next ten years (LOL!)
 
Hmmm, so if republicans get trillions in cuts, why would there be a need to raise the debt ceiling?

you really have to ask?

astonishing

leadership, anyone?
 
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