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Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

Boo Radley said:
That would be my concern. I would hope we could avoid that type of solution.
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Look guys, I just retired so hate the inflation route. Just saying that if there is no political will to get the debt under control there are few options.
 
j-mac said:
How else do you draw back the phony money that has been created? And to think this is made worse by the fact that the policies of this administration resulted in largely little more than payoff to the unions for getting Obama elected.

j-mac
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As we were discussing j, we, the voters, are as much to blame as our leaders. I don't pretend to know the answers, and I blame both parties and the public, but I simply would hope we could find a better way. Of course, as long as we play silly partisan games (silly is the word of the day), we can't really come up with much. We need leaders to sit down and really compromise, tough compromise in which they seek real solutions and not party leverage. Both should be unhappy and have to explain why to their voters. That type of tough compromise.
 
washunut said:
Look guys, I just retired so hate the inflation route. Just saying that if there is no political will to get the debt under control there are few options.
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I know. And I accpet that as an honest possibility. It just concerns me and would hope for something else.
 
washunut said:
neither side is serious
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ryan's proposal is the most serious effort towards budget reform probably in american history

it's all up to the party in power now, which can't even itemize a counter proposal

it's been 700 days since the united states senate produced a budget---in times like these

the gop passed hr ONE three weeks after swearing in

it is what it is

who's serious?

leadership, anyone?

if something isn't done imminently to restructure our budget, then our big 3 federal social programs will cease to exist in their current form

hurry, harry
 
The Prof said:
ryan's proposal is the most serious effort towards budget reform probably in american history
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What about Rand Paul's proposal?
 
Boo Radley said:
As it won't pass, he can say anything.
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LOL!

mr ryan didn't SAY anything

he WROTE a piece of LEGISLATION

service on the debt, mere interest alone, is fast approaching a full trillion per year

why doesn't hurryup harry, on behalf of barack the slasher, take ACTION?

700 days and counting...
 
The Prof said:
ryan's proposal is the most serious effort towards budget reform probably in american history

it's all up to the party in power now, which can't even itemize a counter proposal

it's been 700 days since the united states senate produced a budget---in times like these

the gop passed hr ONE three weeks after swearing in

it is what it is

who's serious?

leadership, anyone?

if something isn't done imminently to restructure our budget, then our big 3 federal social programs will cease to exist in their current form

hurry, harry
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I would have had a lot more respect for the Ryan plan if he did anything with defense, taxes, farm subsidies etc.
 
washunut said:
I would have had a lot more respect for the Ryan plan if he did anything with defense, taxes, farm subsidies etc.
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Ryans plan sounds good till you get to the candy store paragraph where he gives all that he cuts and more right to the wealthiest americans...abolish the inheritance tax that only effects the rich...abolish capitol gains tax that again is for the rich 27% income tax for the rich and for corporations like GENERAL ELECTRIC and the rest of his plan sticks it squarely into the buttocks of the rest of americans...the other 98%
 
washunut said:
I would have had a lot more respect for the Ryan plan if he did anything with defense, taxes, farm subsidies etc.
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that's fine and fair

but until hurryup harry kicks kent conrad into action...

700 days and counting

every two weeks go by cost us on the order of another 60 billion we don't have

and our entitlements will simply expire sans reform

leadership, anyone?
 
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j-mac said:
Defense is in there.

j-mac
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Why is there never anything about farm subsidies? Why is it so politically unfavorable to cut them?
 
washunut said:
I would have had a lot more respect for the Ryan plan if he did anything with defense, taxes, farm subsidies etc.
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um. he literally deals with all three of those. he cuts defense, reforms the tax code, and ends agricultural subsidies.
 
Boo Radley said:
It is different. You can choose not to own a car, for example. You cannot choose not to receive health care, especially in an emergency.
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sure I can. Gravity does not force me into an emergency room; and people went for eons without hospitals just as we went without cars. And I find it entertaining that you don't address food, which has the exact same inelasticity at the extremes as healthcare.

And CP, you not acknowledging the answer is not equal to you not being answered. That silly tactic wears thin as well.
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project much? all i want to know - seperate it from any thing else - is if Congress has a right to regulate mental activity.
 
phattonez said:
Why is there never anything about farm subsidies? Why is it so politically unfavorable to cut them?
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darn good question. and the answer is another question.


what is the first state in the Presidential Primary process?
 
cpwill said:
sure I can. Gravity does not force me into an emergency room; and people went for eons without hospitals just as we went without cars. And I find it entertaining that you don't address food, which has the exact same inelasticity at the extremes as healthcare.
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Hence you're problem, you're living in a past that no longer exists. Yes, a person can go withoiut care, until they have an emergency and someone else picks them up and treats them. As they go without care before them, they get more and more ill, meaning treatment will now be expensive. But at the end of they day, today, if they become serious hurt or ill they will be treated. And this happens daily.

project much? all i want to know - seperate it from any thing else - is if Congress has a right to regulate mental activity.
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Funny that you think this is an answer. In context, the judge is exactly correct. NRO's lack of context misses the point and dishonestly presents a false argument.
 
Boo Radley said:
Hence you're problem, you're living in a past that no longer exists
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no more than you are with your claim that persons' don't need transportation or housing. and i notice you continue to fail to notice that the economics of food are the exact same - inelastic at the edges.

Funny that you think this is an answer. In context, the judge is exactly correct.
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that's not the question. the question is - does congress have the right to regulate our mental activity.

NRO's lack of context misses the point and dishonestly presents a false argument.
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not hardly. i can't wait for this argument to get before the SCOTUS. Scalia is going to make absolute nuclear-burnt-toast of this woman.
 
Boo Radley said:
As pointed out earlier, not really.
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for crying out loud. we reduce the rate of growth over decades in entitlement expenditures and you hyperventilate about how drastic, how draconian, how evil these far-right-wing cuts are....

but we actually cut, actually lower defense spending by 12% flat out in one year and you pooh pooh it. :roll:
 
cpwill said:
we shouldn't trust anyone with power over us; especially those who are unnaccountable and possess the power to overturn our representative government at will.



absolutely there are. there are also many judges who buy that they can twist the law to fill their preferences.
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I absolutely don't trust corporate persons, vast personal wealth, Citizens United or the Roberts court, so maybe we agree here.:2wave:
 
cpwill said:
still waiting on your defense of why Congress can regulate mental activity. :)
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They passed a lot of drug laws, so isn't that regulating mental activity?
 
cpwill said:
no more than you are with your claim that persons' don't need transportation or housing. and i notice you continue to fail to notice that the economics of food are the exact same - inelastic at the edges.
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Food's a false comparison, but we do give food and housing to people who need it. And cheap, unhealthy food is avaiable. One problem your side constantly makes is that it tries to compare unlike things, ignoring differences. It's poor logic.

that's not the question. the question is - does congress have the right to regulate our mental activity.
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No, in context of their argument, meaning regulating our choice here, with something we cannot opt out of, the judge is correcting. pretending it is something it isn't is a dishonest tactic.


not hardly. i can't wait for this argument to get before the SCOTUS. Scalia is going to make absolute nuclear-burnt-toast of this woman.
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And, you've always been rigth about what the courts do? :coffeepap
 
cpwill said:
for crying out loud. we reduce the rate of growth over decades in entitlement expenditures and you hyperventilate about how drastic, how draconian, how evil these far-right-wing cuts are....

but we actually cut, actually lower defense spending by 12% flat out in one year and you pooh pooh it. :roll:
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No one is hyperventilating. More silly tactics on your part here. But, factually, what is proposed, which will never become law, would hurt people. Seniors would have inadequate care, losing something they have now, and there is little doubt about that.

And no, as Ryan only cuts what Obama would in defense, both being inadequate, there is no serious look at defense. Any serious plan would have to do much more.
 
Boo Radley said:
Food's a false comparison
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why? are you saying that people do not have to have food?

but we do give food and housing to people who need it
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indeed, and we give medicaid to the same people.

And cheap, unhealthy food is avaiable
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actually food in general is available at historically cheap prices - we spend less of our income feeding ourselves now than at any other point in human history. because we have allowed it to be sold and purchased on the free market. other countries have not done this - and the result is usually mass starvation.

No, in context of their argument, meaning regulating our choice here, with something we cannot opt out of
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really? i can just opt out and say that Obamacare doesn't apply to me? well hot dog - where do i get the forms? there are going to be some governors that are going to be very excited to hear about this.

And, you've always been rigth about what the courts do?
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i dont always agree with them - and I don't always agree with scalia. but i know that if you put an argument as blatantly stupid as the one this woman made in front of him, he's going to land on it like a 2,000 lb bomb.
 
No, in context of their argument, meaning regulating our choice here, with something we cannot opt out of, the judge is correcting.
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completely incoherent

dept chair, huh?

LOL!

do you post drunk, chairman?
 
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