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Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

Amazed said:
He hasn't, he advocates Left Wing Facism....
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Probably explains the lack of response. That or he isn't on at the moment. I have no doubt that if he were on line he would waste no time in some kind of inflamatory rhetoric.


j-mac
 
No, he usually ignores what he can't answer to.

I've just gotten under his skin in the last couple of days...

He is simply a "preacher" of the worst sort.


j-mac said:
Probably explains the lack of response. That or he isn't on at the moment. I have no doubt that if he were on line he would waste no time in some kind of inflamatory rhetoric.


j-mac
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Amazed said:
No, he usually ignores what he can't answer to.

I've just gotten under his skin in the last couple of days...

He is simply a "preacher" of the worst sort.
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On that I agree. There are many like him though, if he thinks he is special he is most certainly not.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Yeah? How'd you do that?


j-mac
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By carrying out my responsibilities as a citizen of being politically active including non-violent demonstrations.
 
m4rgery said:
Can you please explain how Walker 'busted' the Unions?
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By removing the state worker's right to bargain collectively with their employer.
 
Catawba said:
By carrying out my responsibilities as a citizen of being politically active including non-violent demonstrations.
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Really, I am truly interested, how were you politically active in this area? and you protested? Woah there guy, let's not get carried away....

j-mac
 
Catawba said:
By removing the state worker's right to bargain collectively with their employer.
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Really? He removed all collective barganing, or just that which deals with pensions?


j-mac
 
Catawba said:
By removing the state worker's right to bargain collectively with their employer.
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So removing a single facet equals a 'busted' union?

Seems someone has been feeding you a 5 course meal of disinformation.
 
Catawba said:
By removing the state worker's right to bargain collectively with their employer.
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Their employer is the people not the governor is it not.
 
j-mac said:
Really? He removed all collective barganing, or just that which deals with pensions?


j-mac
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What? Pensions are all the teachers have going for them since they had previously negotiated higher benefits with their employer to make up for their low salaries.

We will see how this class war against the working class and the elderly works out for the GOP at election time. Perhaps it is as you say and people don't mind just having "some" of their rights taken away to provide more funding of tax cuts for the rich.

"But perhaps the most significant part of the legislation is what it would do to collective bargaining in the state. While the measure would significantly curtail that privilege for the vast majority of state employees, it would specifically remove the right of the university system's faculty and staff members to bargain collectively."

U. of Wisconsin Faculty Would Lose Collective-Bargaining Rights Under Governor's Proposal - Government - The Chronicle of Higher Education
 
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deltabtry said:
Their employer is the people not the governor is it not.
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Who represents the people in compensation for services negotiations?
 
Catawba said:
Who represents the people in compensation for services negotiations?
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The Governor of course so when the unions wish to petition the recall of the governor they therefore defy the will of the people do they not. Now if it is truly the citizens of WI. who wish this recall to go through, then so be it. When WI. goes into insolvency then the all other states in this union should deny any assistance ie; bailouts to the state of Wisconsin. The faster the people of WI. realize that their state is broke then the faster to the road of recovery WI. will be on.
 
deltabtry said:
The Governor of course so when the unions wish to petition the recall of the governor they therefore defy the will of the people do they not. Now if it is truly the citizens of WI. who wish this recall to go through, then so be it. When WI. goes into insolvency then the all other states in this union should deny any assistance ie; bailouts to the state of Wisconsin. The faster the people of WI. realize that their state is broke then the faster to the road of recovery WI. will be on.
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When Walker is recalled early next year, then you will realize that the crap he is trying to pull does not represent the will of the people.
 
danarhea said:
When Walker is recalled early next year, then you will realize that the crap he is trying to pull does not represent the will of the people.
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Then so be it, let WI. travel down the road it wishes to travel because it will definitely not be alone, many other states will accompany WI. down the road to insolvency. All union contracts, private contracts etc. will become null and void no matter what the wish at that point. This isn't a right or left thing, this is about money you either have it or you don't and currently our country the USA doesn't have it, along with just about very state. We can sit here and blame on side or the other, it doesn't make a bit a difference, we have over spent, over borrowed and we are now broke and something has to give and the taxpayer I believe is had enough, or at least I have anyway.
 
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deltabtry said:
The so be it, let WI. travel down the road it wishes to travel because it will definitely not be alone, many other states will accompany WI. down the road to insolvency. All union contracts, private contracts etc. will become null and void no matter what the wish at that point. This isn't a right or left thing, this is about money you either have it or you don't and currently our country the USA doesn't have it, along with just about we very state. We can sit here and blame on side or the other, it doesn't make a bit a difference, we have over spent, over borrowed and we are now broke, something has to give and the taxpayer I believe is had enough, or at least I have anyway.
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Actually, there WAS NO INSOLVENCY when Walker first took office, although there was a budget deficit that needed to be addressed. Walker campaigned on that. What is the first thing Walker did? Gave huge tax breaks to the rich, and to corporations, after accepting campaign cash from the Koch Brothers. What is the second thing Walker did? Attempted to balance what was now a HUGE deficit, due to those tax cuts, on the backs of the teachers.
 
danarhea said:
Actually, there WAS NO INSOLVENCY when Walker first took office, although there was a budget deficit that needed to be addressed. Walker campaigned on that. What is the first thing Walker did? Gave huge tax breaks to the rich, and to corporations, after accepting campaign cash from the Koch Brothers. What is the second thing Walker did? Attempted to balance what was now a HUGE deficit, due to those tax cuts, on the backs of the teachers.
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You either give the tax break to big corporations or they leave the state, now you have a unemployment problem if the corporations do leave, not to mention no tax revenue . The rich, well they pay about 10 to 17 percent regardless of tax breaks or no tax breaks, the rich will always pay about this much. That said, it is still far more money going into the system than your average tax payer. This is why I advocate a very simple tax code, a flat tax 15 percent no right offs.

Most states have been broke for some time now, states such as WI. just borrow the money to pay their bills, kiting checks so to speak which will eventualy catch up to the writer of those checks.
 
deltabtry said:
The Governor of course so when the unions wish to petition the recall of the governor they therefore defy the will of the people do they not.
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If the Governor had run on ending collective bargaining that would be true, but since he didn't, it is obviously not true.


Now if it is truly the citizens of WI. who wish this recall to go through, then so be it.
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Amen!


When WI. goes into insolvency then the all other states in this union should deny any assistance ie; bailouts to the state of Wisconsin.
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If things get bad they can just discontinue the new tax breaks they provided for the corporations! :sun

The faster the people of WI. realize that their state is broke then the faster to the road of recovery WI. will be on.
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The problem for Walker lies in the fact that the people of WI realize it wasn't lavish lifestyles of their teachers, police, and firefighters that caused the financial problems the state is facing.
 
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deltabtry said:
You either give the tax break to big corporations or they leave the state, now you have a unemployment problem if the corporations do leave, not to mention no tax revenue . The rich, well they pay about 10 to 17 percent regardless of tax breaks or no tax breaks, the rich will always pay about this much. That said, it is still far more money going into the system than your average tax payer. This is why I advocate a very simple tax code, a flat tax 15 percent no right offs.

Most states have been broke for some time now, states such as WI. just borrow the money to pay their bills, kiting checks so to speak which will eventualy catch up to the writer of those checks.
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A flat tax I totally agree with you on. Let's call it the fair tax.... Oops, somebody already came up with that. LOL. Another benefit of the Fair Tax is that we can then eliminate a hell of a lot of overhead by eliminating the IRS. That will help reduce the deficit too.
 
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deltabtry said:
You either give the tax break to big corporations or they leave the state, now you have a unemployment problem if the corporations do leave, not to mention no tax revenue . The rich, well they pay about 10 to 17 percent regardless of tax breaks or no tax breaks, the rich will always pay about this much. That said, it is still far more money going into the system than your average tax payer. This is why I advocate a very simple tax code, a flat tax 15 percent no right offs.

Most states have been broke for some time now, states such as WI. just borrow the money to pay their bills, kiting checks so to speak which will eventualy catch up to the writer of those checks.
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A regressive tax system helped create our problems, an even more regressive tax system will only make them worse. We should be providing targeted tax cuts to those actually creating jobs, not for simply being rich or being a corporation like the oil companies that are not creating new jobs in this country. And we should be increasing compensation for teachers to attract the best and brightest to the profession. Without this increased investment in our future, we face becoming just another third world country.
 
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