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Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

The Tax system as is is so great we're borrowing so much money our great grand kids are paying the interest on it.

That's what happens when you slash the top tax rates. We've know this for 30 years. It is why the majority of Americans support cutting the tax breaks for the rich.
 
Naturally, since the majority want higher taxes for the rich, and for SS and Medicare to remain untouched, that means that will solve the debt/deficit issues we face... right? :rolleyes:

As we will have more revenue and less elderly in the streets and better health care for those that are sick, it will definitely improve the debt/deficit issues we face, yes it will help! But we must also cut our wasteful foreign spending.
 
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So some polls show some stupid people fall for bribes and dumb fiscal policy... this doesn't really help your case you know.

All the polls show the majority of Americans support cutting the tax breaks for the rich.
 
Socialsim does not require centralized control... Worker managed economy.
We've seen that, GM. It's failing.

Also, name a nation that operates under this glorious scheme? There isn't one.


Ownership of the enterprise can take various forms of worker co-ops, and planning is done in a democratic manner. That is pretty much socialism in a nut shell, and it is not centralized. The workers direct the economy not the state... Full centralized socialism has proven to fail.
And workers cannot "run the system" because, guess what, it fails.
You do realize there are many forms of socialism, right?
Yep, and each one is fail.
What do i want America to "progress too"? More just society,
How is it "unjust" now? (I'm actually curious and not being a jerk here.
more respect for human rights,
Uhm, we're the most human rights recognizing nation on the planet...
more peaceful society,
That requires criminals to behave.
one where you have the right to education,
That's impossible. You can have to access education, but a "Right" to education places an obligation on another. Thus it is not a Right.
You have the right to work, I'm confused as to this one.
healthcare,
You have the right to access healthcare, you do not have a right to have others provide you healthcare. Again, it is not a Right if it confers an obligation upon others to provide you the means to exercise said right. For example, you have the Right to Bare Arms, but this doens't mean other pay for your guns and ammo. You have the Right to Free Speech, but you cannot ask others to provide you a venue for it.

and housing.
Go buy a house, no one is stopping you. Unless you are again saying OTHERS must provide you a house, that is no longer a Right, its forcing other people to give you something so that you can have it. That's not a Right.
One where workers have more say in the economy and decisions that affect them.
Which doens't exist in the world because it's a silly pipe dream.

I want in to progress to democratic socialism...
Utopian fail. You want a country where other people are forced to work to provide you with things you're too lazy to provide for yourself.

THAT is the definition of a Progressive Democrat Socialist. "Selfish"
 
All the polls show the majority of Americans support cutting the tax breaks for the rich.

All the polls show America has a lot of uneducated stupid people that don't realize they are merely hurting themselves and making the problem worse. I'm not impressed
 
All the polls show America has a lot of uneducated stupid people that don't realize they are merely hurting themselves and making the problem worse. I'm not impressed

Good thing we have you here to educate everyone. You could just say, "Well I disagree with the majority of Americans", but instead you choose to call them dumb. That's real smart of you.
 
Good thing we have you here to educate everyone. You could just say, "Well I disagree with the majority of Americans", but instead you choose to call them dumb. That's real smart of you.

He's clearly an elitist. :coffeepap
 
Utopian fail. You want a country where other people are forced to work to provide you with things you're too lazy to provide for yourself.

He will say that isn't how it is. Without the government forcing them to provide these homes, healthcare, or what have you, the system is a complete failure. He won't see it though. If people are provided with everything that gets people moving, no one will move. And since no one is moving, the government has no money.
 
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All the polls show America has a lot of uneducated stupid people that don't realize they are merely hurting themselves and making the problem worse. I'm not impressed

Yep this proves it your a genius.
You could just say that hey i disagree with the majority of the people here but nope your a genius
Teach us your ways please sir.. :ssst:
 
Good thing we have you here to educate everyone. You could just say, "Well I disagree with the majority of Americans", but instead you choose to call them dumb. That's real smart of you.

Polls can show anything you want... seriously people only get excited when a poll says what they want to hear.

Poll Question:

"Do you favor taxing Rich people or raising your taxes 20%"

Headline:
80% Of American's Favor Taxing Rich!!!

Liberal "ohh see see!"

Impress me moar with "polls"


Polls hsow a Majority of people oppose Gay Marriage yet we keep hearing that we are supposed to ignore that... (and we could play this game ALL DAY LONG)
 
All the polls show America has a lot of uneducated stupid people that don't realize they are merely hurting themselves and making the problem worse. I'm not impressed

So your position is that the majority of Americans are stupid so they should not decide how their country is run, is that it? So you would prefer a dictatorship chosen by a fringe minority of the country?
 
So your position is that the majority of Americans are stupid so they should not decide how their country is run, is that it? So you would prefer a dictatorship chosen by a fringe minority of the country?

I'm mocking polls. Polls can say whatever you want them to say. However oyu want them to say. This is true in 99.99% of all polls according to the poll I just took.
 
I'm mocking polls.

I guess that's all you have left, since there are no polls that show a majority of Americans support continuing the tax cuts for the rich.
 
I guess that's all you have left, since there are no polls that show a majority of Americans support continuing the tax cuts for the rich.

Of course not. Because if you keep those tax cuts, omg those evil filthy rich bastards would not be punished for stealing from the POOR!

Spare me, polls are worthless.
 
4 down and 4 to go, although I believe that only 5 or possibly 6 out of the 8 will end up being recalled. Still, considering the difficulty of recall in Wisconsin, this is a very impressive number - Which goes to show you that, if you are elitist enough to believe that you can do anything you want after being elected, and act like thugs while doing it, you are going to be hammered for it.

Folks, THIS is what Democracy looks like.

Article is here.

Personally, I'm opposed to direct democracy because it undermines our representative democracy and calling a special referendum on the last election outcome seems not only inefficient in a system already profoundly inefficient but it also prevents further progress on anything else. Elections are expensive, not because of all the polling places and ballots and time but because of all the campaign promises. I hate like Hell to see one more election added to the calendar.

That said, the Wisconsin political leadership has brought this state of affairs upon themselves and further harmed the interests of their community. One could hardly think of a worse outcome for Wisconsin: locked in prolonged court battles and stymied by partisan recall elections. American politics has been taken over by the radicals who would rather tear this country apart rather than seek political compromises and resolutions. We are truly damned.
 
Meanwhile, in this universe:

All three of these articles reference the same McClatchy-Marist poll.




Both of these articles reference the same NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.



Here are a few interesting questions from the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll (including the one your articles refer to):

Q23: If the deficit cannot be eliminated solely by cutting wasteful federal spending, which one of these steps would you most favor?
Cutting important programs = 35
Raising taxes = 33
Postponing elimination of deficit = 26
Combination (VOL) = 1
Not sure = 5

Q26: Let me read you a number of other things that might be cut or eliminated as a way to reduce the current federal budget deficit. For each one, please tell me if you would find this totally acceptable, mostly acceptable, mostly unacceptable, or totally unacceptable as a way to help reduce the federal deficit.
Placing a surtax on federal income taxes for people earning over one million dollars a year: totally acceptable = 55
mostly acceptable = 26
mostly unacceptable = 11
totally unacceptable = 6
Not sure = 2

Q27: Having discussed all of this some more, which one of these steps would you most favor to deal with the federal deficit?
Cutting important programs = 37
Raising taxes = 29
Postponing elimination of deficit = 28
Combination (VOL) = 2
Not sure = 4
 
I guess that's all you have left, since there are no polls that show a majority of Americans support continuing the tax cuts for the rich.

News from The Associated Press

Should taxes be raised to eat into huge federal deficits? Among the public, 62 percent say they favor cutting government services to sop up the red ink. Just 29 percent say raise taxes.

Poll Shows Little Support for Tax Hikes | WRKO.com

A new CBS News poll finds that Americans strongly prefer cutting spending to raising taxes to reduce the federal deficit. While 77 percent prefer to cut spending, just nine percent call for raising taxes. Another nine percent want to do both.

So you found some polls that say people want to pay higher taxes? I found some that say the opposite.

Don't act like it is the word of GOD just because you found a couple polls that support your political slant and do some homework before talking tall crap in the future.
 
So you found some polls that say people want to pay higher taxes? I found some that say the opposite.

Don't act like it is the word of GOD just because you found a couple polls that support your political slant and do some homework before talking tall crap in the future.

No I found polls that show a majority favor discontinuing the tax cuts for the rich, and you found some polls that show people do not want their taxes raised. Two different subjects. The deciding poll will be in November of next year.
 
No I found polls that show a majority favor discontinuing the tax cuts for the rich, and you found some polls that show people do not want their taxes raised. Two different subjects. The deciding poll will be in November of next year.

No, your polls didn’t ask about discontinuing any tax cuts, they were generic. Most Americans don’t make $1 million or more a year (as was the subject of your poll) and there isn’t a “discontinuation” of any tax cuts for people earning $1 million or more a year on the table (or even a proposal like that) so you aren’t being honest about your poll results.

If the poll had asked if they supported repeal of tax cuts for those earning $200k or more you might have a leg to stand on but your poll would have gotten different results and that’s not what YOU are talking about here.

So do you support mob rule vs. minority rights? If the majority of Americans think we should outlaw homosexuality you would support it?

Don’t blow my questions off like they aren’t valid questions. It is exactly the same as asking the majority of people, who don’t make $1 million a year or more, whether they want to take rights/money away from those who aren’t like them and DO make $1 million or more a year.
 
No, your polls didn’t ask about discontinuing any tax cuts, they were generic.

Here's another:

"A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds that 78 percent oppose cutting spending on Medicare to reduce the debt, and 69 percent oppose cutting spending on Medicaid. Additionally, 56 percent oppose cuts in military spending to reduce the debt.

While Americans oppose cutting spending in those three particular areas, as many as 72 percent approved of the idea of raising taxes on the rich to reduce the national debt."


Read more: Poll finds most Americans can't name a GOP presidential candidate - Political Hotsheet - CBS News


If the poll had asked if they supported repeal of tax cuts for those earning $200k or more you might have a leg to stand on but your poll would have gotten different results and that’s not what YOU are talking about here.

They said the rich. Since "The median household income in the United States is $46,326," an individual making more than $200,000 is rich by comparison.
How much does the Average American Make? Breaking Down the U.S. Household Income Numbers. | FedUpUSA

So do you support mob rule vs. minority rights? If the majority of Americans think we should outlaw homosexuality you would support it?

No system is perfect. I prefer a representative government over a dictatorship.

Don’t blow my questions off like they aren’t valid questions. It is exactly the same as asking the majority of people, who don’t make $1 million a year or more, whether they want to take rights/money away from those who aren’t like them and DO make $1 million or more a year.

I am satisfied that the American people are smart enough to realize who is rich and who is not, and which party most closely represents their interests, and which party representes the interests of the rich.
 
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