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U.N. Prepares to Debate Whether 'Mother Earth' Deserves Human Rights Status

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U.N. Prepares to Debate Whether 'Mother Earth' Deserves Human Rights Status

A bloc of mostly socialist governments lead by Bolivia have put the issue on the General Assembly agenda to discuss the creation of a U.N. treaty that would grant the same rights found in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights to Mother Nature.

“If legal systems recognized the rights of other-than-human beings,” he says, such as mountains, rivers, forests and animals, “courts and tribunals could deal with the fundamental issues of environmental contamination.”

Really makes you feel good about all the money the US gives to the UN doesn't it. Mountains, snakes and mosquitoes with human rights protected by UN courts and tribunals; finally those evil capitalists will be forced to pay for thier crimes.
 
I believe in going Green but this is a bit much for even me...
 
I <3 the UN.

No really I do. Really.










Jackasses.
 
The symbolism is out there but from an ivory tower standpoint you could find similarly perverse expressions in any cultural discourse.
 
Gee, socialist Bolivia trying to use Green issues to lay down world govt controlling regulations. Shocking.
 
Gee, socialist Bolivia trying to use Green issues to lay down world govt controlling regulations. Shocking.

And the US doesn't try to control the world... Come on now....
 
While I can understand where they are coming from, I don't think that this is needed at all. (See below)

Edit: What I think we need to realize as a species is that the Earth is not something we can just use and abuse. For quite a while we have been pimping the Earth and it is coming back to bite us in the ass in the form of climate change. The Earth is a precious and beautiful thing and that we just can't use it to make profit. We need to change the way we treat the planet, from something that can make us profit to our home.
 
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Hey, if a corporation can be considered a person, why not the planet?
 
Hey, if a corporation can be considered a person, why not the planet?

You see what I meant when I said you can find similarly perverse expressions in any cultural discourse.

Thing is, in socialist countries where rapid industrialization has lead to greater fall out on the vitality of the country, this sort of rhetoric makes sense. Similarly, in a country that believes a robust business is the foremost specimen of human achievement, corporations seem entitled to personhood.
 
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The earth gives us life.

End of story.

It deserves some kind of recognition and respect for that role.
 
The earth gives us life.

End of story.

It deserves some kind of recognition and respect for that role.

I totally agree. But i really dont believe that a mosquito or an insect deserves the same rights as a human being. They really are not on the same status as a human..
But being that said we should respect this earth to the fullest.
 
Life, or Mother Earth, is a super-thin layer on this rock hurtling around a gigantic nuclear bomb.

Regardless of who put it here, life may only exist here, and a cavalier dismissal of this simple reality is assinine.

Especially from those who also declare all space exploration pointlessly expensive.

So we're stuck in the petri dish with people who don't seem to want to grasp that we live in a HUGE PETRI DISH.

/rant

So without Mother Nature we all die. (Or never were more accurately)

Some recognition is in order.

Some acknowledgement that our technology has reached a level where the activities of a few could have consequences for us all.

Something reasonable. Like our life support system is actually important to our survival.:2wave:
 
And the US doesn't try to control the world... Come on now....

Who funds the UN the most? The US.

What is your point? The US created the UN and now its out to control the world just like the US.

SHOCKING!
 
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Who funds the UN the most? The US.

What is your point? The US created the UN and now its out to control the world just like the US.

SHOCKING!

Was just simply saying the US does try to control the world, and the US desperately tries to be the policeman of the world...
All i was saying...
 
The earth gives us life.

End of story.

It deserves some kind of recognition and respect for that role.

I just went outside and, in recognition of Mother Earth's good work, gave her a little feel.

She seemed to like it.
 
I think mother earth is a cold hearted bitch that needs to be tamed. Look at what she did to the poor people of Japan.
 
I think mother earth is a cold hearted bitch that needs to be tamed. Look at what she did to the poor people of Japan.

Its not her fault, it was that time of the month again...
 
Its not her fault, it was that time of the month again...

Well seriously, some of you talk about the planet like goofballs who think she loves and nurtures us. Even if we set off every nuke in the world all at the same time, the planet would survive, life on this planet would survive and eventually it would evolve into a whole new set of creatures etc.

The argument really isn’t about life on earth long term, it is about money for most (socialists) and the preservation of all life forms as they are now for others (enviro-nuts). Neither one is logical.
 
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The Earth does not give us life, God created all things for us to use and they react to a set of rules based on biology, physics, and what we do is controlled by our free will. Animals react based on nature within the rules the Lord set up.

The earth is not a sentient entity.

If it were the whack jobs that claim the Earth gets even for transgressions like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell might have a point to make.

Are there things we can do better? Damn right and miracles can come with the power of prayer. The Lord answers all prayers but sometime that answer is no.

The US does pay the most for the Socialist UN but what we try to do is influence not control or Germany and Japan would not be Sovereign Nations as well as some others.

You can be green without being a weenie or radical about it. It seems logic goes out the window when ever this stuff come up.
 
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Well seriously, some of you talk about the planet like goofballs who think she loves and nurtures us. Even if we set off every nuke in the world all at the same time, the planet would survive, life on this planet would survive and eventually it would evolve into a whole new set of creatures etc.

The argument really isn’t about life on earth long term, it is about money for most (socialists) and the preservation of all life forms as they are now for others (enviro-nuts). Neither one is logical.

if you really want to get serious, its about money for most (capitalist). and considering companies trade and sell thier carbon footprints, its ALLL about corporate greed
get real brah, cause im not even gonna delve into the scientific inaccuracies of your world wide nuclear launch theory
 
if you really want to get serious, its about money for most (capitalist). and considering companies trade and sell thier carbon footprints, its ALLL about corporate greed
get real brah, cause im not even gonna delve into the scientific inaccuracies of your world wide nuclear launch theory

Well “brah”, I have news for you, your life would suck compared to what it is if it weren’t for capitalism and greedy corporations. If you are going to pretend to be a true environmentalist then that guitar there in your avatar, you need to kiss it goodbye because it is made of plastics, steel, wood, polymers and other environmentally unfriendly components as is the shirt you wear, the toothbrush you hopefully use, the soap you hopefully use, the house you live in, the car or bicycle you ride/drive, the salad you eat, the water you drink, the toilet you crap in and the paper you wipe your butt with etc.

You see, nearly everything in your life involves some “environmentally unfriendly” component to it if you buy into the BS so you need to start sending me a check for $100 every day you wake up and live your life because you are destroying the planet by consuming and producing goods that hurt the planet. If you send me the money, I will ask Mother Earth to forgive you for your sins, and she will because she is my hoe and I am her pimp, and you can go on about your life feeling like the burden of guilt has been lifted because you are doing your part and you are saving the planet.

Sound like a deal brah?
 
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The Earth does not give us life, God created all things for us to use and they react to a set of rules based on biology, physics, and what we do is controlled by our free will. Animals react based on nature within the rules the Lord set up.

The earth is not a sentient entity.

If it were the whack jobs that claim the Earth gets even for transgressions like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell might have a point to make.

Are there things we can do better? Damn right and miracles can come with the power of prayer. The Lord answers all prayers but sometime that answer is no.

The US does pay the most for the Socialist UN but what we try to do is influence not control or Germany and Japan would not be Sovereign Nations as well as some others.

You can be green without being a weenie or radical about it. It seems logic goes out the window when ever this stuff come up.

As I have said elsewhere I believe the universe is a made thing, an artefact.

I don't know for sure that there is a "Made by Yahweh" sticker somewhere, but I came up with intelligent design on my own at about 9 years old when I first encountered the fossil record/6000 year old earth paradox.

I also got the impression from Genesis that Adam was the caretaker of the Garden. Created to take care of God's creation.

I never could resolve the "God made it for us to wreck as we see fit" concept with my understanding of the Bible.

And I agree that its possible to be environmentally conscious without being ridiculous.

I feel it is the nature of our two party system that requires one to take the most extreme position as a starting point to reaching every compromise. It makes both sides look ridiculous, and is a lot of the reason we can't seem to reach reasonable compromises.

So I'm not challenging your post, just qualifying my take on the OP, which simply attempted to go with what we can see with our own eyes.

And I never considered the biosphere "sentient", but computer science and the science of mind does point to the number of connections in any complex system as being relevant to consciousness. And the biosphere is complexly interconnected, so some kind of simple "hive mind" or something could exist. (Just an entertaining thought game, not any kind of cosmology).:2wave:
 
Well “brah”, I have news for you, your life would suck compared to what it is if it weren’t for capitalism and greedy corporations. If you are going to pretend to be a true environmentalist then that guitar there in your avatar, you need to kiss it goodbye because it is made of plastics, steel, wood, polymers and other environmentally unfriendly components as is the shirt you wear, the toothbrush you hopefully use, the soap you hopefully use, the house you live in, the car or bicycle you ride/drive, the salad you eat, the water you drink, the toilet you crap in and the paper you wipe your butt with etc.

You see, nearly everything in your life involves some “environmentally unfriendly” component to it if you buy into the BS so you need to start sending me a check for $100 every day you wake up and live your life because you are destroying the planet by consuming and producing goods that hurt the planet. If you send me the money, I will ask Mother Earth to forgive you for your sins, and she will because she is my hoe and I am her pimp, and you can go on about your life feeling like the burden of guilt has been lifted because you are doing your part and you are saving the planet.

Sound like a deal brah?

I never have understood why so many insist on reducing everything to the point of absurdity. Aside from the fact it is a common persuasion tactic.

A long time ago I became concerned about the course of the world.

I have always been contemptuous of the throwaway world we live in.

To be honest I decided that I didn't want to work my life away playing a game someone else made up that I am required to play.

"Get with the program" always raised questions like "What program?", "Who made up this program?, and "Why does this program look like BS like all the other programs devised exclusively by kings and tycoons?"

Long story short, I don't have lots of disposable things, I have fewer very well made, durable things.

Following this model would allow us to have the things we have grown accustomed to while ameliorating the toxicity of their production.

Alternative energy technology should have saved us from the current changes occuring worldwide. But we decided to defend the fossil fuel industries instead, harping on whether global warming is real or not.

The rest of the world believes it is, and is eager to purchase these technologies. That alone should have convinced us to do what we always have before, which is provide the world with the tech we so easily devise.

But no, China is kicking our asses in this area as well, and I doubt we could catch up now if we decided to try.

And the right talks to the left like they're daft children if any responsibility in regards to our fragile biosphere is even mentioned.

And there ARE demonstrable problems manifesting worldwide in the health of the planet we depend on for our survival. Reef die offs, a huge trash whirlpool in the middle of the Pacific, extinctions everywhere. There were "environmental cascades" being studied when I was a kid, where one of those worms or whatever that are constantly being dismissed as irrelevant became extinct and turned out to be key to the survival of its local biology dragging the rest of the local ecology down with it.

And I'm not sure that mercantilism and non-corporate businesses couldn't have provided the world we live in as well as capitalism and corporate business has.
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