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Presidential Candidates Have To Show Birth Certificates Under Louisiana Proposal

Wiseone said:
See exactly what I mean, does anyone really think there's a risk of someone born in another country being elected President? There's enough real problems to be worried about without inventing them
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Is that a joke? Obviously there's a risk. It's already happened! What's the big damn deal about showing your birth certificate? Every citizen has one and it was created for this exact reason.
 
rocket88 said:
I agree, it should have been in place.

But this isn't about that. It's about some people who would rather believe a conspiracy theory than actual evidence.
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What's the actual evidence, rocket88? Let's see it.
 
sazerac said:
Is that a joke? Obviously there's a risk. It's already happened! What's the big damn deal about showing your birth certificate? Every citizen has one and it was created for this exact reason.
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um, he did show his birth certificate. and no, every citizen does not have one, by the way.
 
It is up to the registrar of voters for each state to submit valid poll results. Not one of them was shown evidence of Obama's citizenship. Not one.
 
liblady said:
um, he did show his birth certificate. and no, every citizen does not have one, by the way.
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OK, so you know nothing about the debate. He has shown no credible proof of anything! I can't even believe people would fall for that lame "certificate of live birth" that doesn't even know the hospital or the doctor or the birthplace of the parent or the weight. I can't belive people are so god damned stupid! That's what the whole freakin "conspiracy theory."

You tools were too gullible to keep our constitution.
 
sazerac said:
I can't even believe people would fall for that lame "certificate of live birth" that doesn't even know the hospital or the doctor or the birthplace of the parent or the weight.
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The "lame" thing works for the rest of us to get our passports, drivers licenses and all sorts of other stuff.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
The "lame" thing works for the rest of us to get our passports, drivers licenses and all sorts of other stuff.
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It does not and you know it! People who check id are, luckily, not as gullible as you Obama tools

I could use MY COLB because it tells the doctors, like it must It even has his home address. It tells what Hospotal I was born in, like it must. It tells what cities both my parents were born in. It tells how nuch I weighed.

Really no reason to douby my COLB. Whty did you hang out in that thread so long if you weren't going to learn a single thing? Stop trying to lie to us to think there is something normal about that COLB. There isn't!
 
sazerac said:
It does not and you know it!
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Actually, it does. I used my birth certificate to get mine. I didn't need to get my original long form one. As has been posted here, the state department says you don't need the long form to get a passport.
First Time Applicants

sazerac said:
People who check id are, luckily, not as gullible as you Obama tools
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LOL. I was a bouncer for a while, and tended bar a little.
Just because I point out flaws in your argument doesn't mean that I am any sort of an "Obama tool." Noticing your mistakes is different than supporting Obama.

sazerac said:
I could use MY COLB because it tells the doctors, like it must It even has his home address. It tells what Hospotal I was born in, like it must. It tells what cities both my parents were born in. It tells how nuch I weighed.
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Good for you. But those things aren't required very many places at all.
Heres the list of what has to be on it to qualify for a passport:
  • registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal
  • registrar's signature
  • date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office,

sazerac said:
Really no reason to douby my COLB. Whty did you hang out in that thread so long if you weren't going to learn a single thing? Stop trying to lie to us to think there is something normal about that COLB. There isn't!
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irony's not just for breakfast any more is it?
 
Obama should laminate his original birth certificate onto a whiffle ball bat and beat the next idiot who asks him for it in the face until they are satisfied of its authenticity. Its pathetic that delusional idiots like this actually wield the power of public office.
 
Just when you think we have hit the bottom of the barrel , you discover a story like this and realize that someone has furiously been digging a basement under it so we can get even lower.

Perhaps this is part of a GOP strategy for 2012? Handcraft very specific laws written with the Obama Certification of Birth document in mind and then Republican secretaries of state will not allow him on the ballot.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
Actually, it does. I used my birth certificate to get mine. I didn't need to get my original long form one. As has been posted here, the state department says you don't need the long form to get a passport.
First Time Applicants

LOL. I was a bouncer for a while, and tended bar a little.
Just because I point out flaws in your argument doesn't mean that I am any sort of an "Obama tool." Noticing your mistakes is different than supporting Obama.

Good for you. But those things aren't required very many places at all.
Heres the list of what has to be on it to qualify for a passport:
  • registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal
  • registrar's signature
  • date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office,

irony's not just for breakfast any more is it?
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Write back and make a single bit of sense and I'll reply.
 
rathi said:
Obama should laminate his original birth certificate onto a whiffle ball bat and beat the next idiot who asks him for it in the face until they are satisfied of its authenticity. Its pathetic that delusional idiots like this actually wield the power of public office.
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Maybe stick to threads where your input doesn't come as as really stupid.
 
haymarket said:
Just when you think we have hit the bottom of the barrel , you discover a story like this and realize that someone has furiously been digging a basement under it so we can get even lower.

Perhaps this is part of a GOP strategy for 2012? Handcraft very specific laws written with the Obama Certification of Birth document in mind and then Republican secretaries of state will not allow him on the ballot.
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Maybe stick to threads where your input doesn't come off as really stupid,
 
Maybe we should attach a rider to the bill requiring medical records from each candidate to prove they are not a Cylon.
 
sazerac said:
It does not and you know it! People who check id are, luckily, not as gullible as you Obama tools

I could use MY COLB because it tells the doctors, like it must It even has his home address. It tells what Hospotal I was born in, like it must. It tells what cities both my parents were born in. It tells how nuch I weighed.

Really no reason to douby my COLB. Whty did you hang out in that thread so long if you weren't going to learn a single thing? Stop trying to lie to us to think there is something normal about that COLB. There isn't!
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Guess what you get if, say, your house burns down with your birth certificate.
 
iamitter said:
Guess what you get if, say, your house burns down with your birth certificate.
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I don't have a birth certtificate. That's filed somewhere in Boston. I have a "certificate of live birth" that indicates so much detail that nobody would think to doubt it. It says I weighed 8 pounds as if that's anybody's very nosy business.
 
Hey, rocket88, we're still waiting for your evidence so that we can put this puppy to sleep.

Would you mind hurrying just a little bit? Or did your dog eat the evidence?
 
sazerac said:
Is that a joke? Obviously there's a risk. It's already happened! What's the big damn deal about showing your birth certificate? Every citizen has one and it was created for this exact reason.
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When did it happen? This is a whole lot of silliness.
 
Someone mentioned above that Jindal was not born in the US. I believe that he was born in the US, for what it's worth. It's irrelevant to this thread, but I wanted to set the record straight.
 
sazerac said:
Hey, rocket88, we're still waiting for your evidence so that we can put this puppy to sleep.

Would you mind hurrying just a little bit? Or did your dog eat the evidence?
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I'm sure he'll get it for you once you provide a birth certificate for every President we've had as you claimed you could do.

:roll:

In principle, I don't disagree with these laws the various states are trying to pass. In reality, they're not principled bills in the least but partisan reactionary BS aimed at President Obama that's likely to go the way of a blue law the moment he is no longer in office. Regardless, he's provided a legal form proving his birth as a US Citizen, certified and verified by a state of this union. Just because birther's want to go "um...no, its not good enough, give us more!" doesn't mean he should have to or that what he has isn't legitimate. They're just doing what conspiracy theorists do, continuing to deny evidence and truth to keep their conspiracy going.
 
Wiseone said:
Firstly its not what all people want, thats an assumption on your part. Secondly, given the amount of information and digging into a candidates life there's no way a non-natural citizen is going to become President. Thirdly, anyone who thinks a President candidate, or the actual President, was born in another country is delusional and won't be satisfied by any amount of fact or any documents. Therefore is just a waste of money and amounts to nothing more than politicians feeding on the irrational fears of some, hopefully not many, of their potential voters and thus encouraging them which is entirely counter productive.

To introduce an additional check before someone is placed on a ballot, and thus possibility become President, enforces the idea that there aren't sufficient enough checks to ensure a Constitutionally ineligible person is not elected, which there certainly are. Like I said, feeds and encourages irrational fears and ignorance amongst the people.
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So you are aware of every check in every state for this purpose, are you? Tell you what, list every check in all 50 states so that I can believe you're not just blowing smoke. Never in my life have I ever heard anyone question the provision in the Constitution about whether someone should have to be born here to be President, until now. So I don't think a check was ever really necessary. There are people that think any citizen should be allowed to run, not just natural born. In my opinion, that is the genesis of all this legislation; because people are concerned about cheaters. And you can blame your man Obama for the total PR ****up on this matter, because he threw gas on the fire.
 
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Apuzo said:
You do know that for some people, you can be born in America and still not be a natural born citizen. The founder and architect of the 14th Amendment, John Bingham defined a natural born citizen as this:

“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

You can't argue with the man who founded the citizenship amendment in our constitution. Obama's father, who wasn't a U.S. citizen, held allegiance to the British Crown. That was passed to Obama Jr when he was born.
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The notion of jus soli citizenship being considered Natural Born PRECEDES the 14th Amendment... it even predates the US itself...
 
Zyphlin said:
I'm sure he'll get it for you once you provide a birth certificate for every President we've had as you claimed you could do.

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In principle, I don't disagree with these laws the various states are trying to pass. In reality, they're not principled bills in the least but partisan reactionary BS aimed at President Obama that's likely to go the way of a blue law the moment he is no longer in office. Regardless, he's provided a legal form proving his birth as a US Citizen, certified and verified by a state of this union. Just because birther's want to go "um...no, its not good enough, give us more!" doesn't mean he should have to or that what he has isn't legitimate. They're just doing what conspiracy theorists do, continuing to deny evidence and truth to keep their conspiracy going.
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I most certainly could provide evidence of citizenship for every president of the United States! That it is required by our constitution makes the task quite easy.

So let's see, you think it is my responsibility to provide evidence of Obama's citizenship and not the responsibility of Obama?

You're having some trouble with simple logic, I'm afraid.

Conspiracy. LOL You know nothing about this topic and shoud maybe spend your time here looking for some good recipes.
 
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