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Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

In Texas, anybody who has been convicted of a drug related crime is ineligible for food stamps. I believe that this is going to far. If it was just the druggie, I wouldn't give a damn, but I do give a damn about the druggie's kids.


I didn't see anything about convicted or paroled felons hanging in that park, only that able bodied men were hanging there drinking and drugging all day, every day, bringing down property values, making the park uninhabitable for kids to play in, and generally menacing to the community. Then when he sees them again they are paying for food with a program originally meant to go to families with NO male in the house, and only the mother to take care of the children.

Now, I don't know why you injected the criminal aspect into GPS's observations, but I suspect it was to dismiss that these men who fail to get their lazy arses to work are a severe part of the problem we now face.

j-mac
 
obama's weekly saturday address, this morning (what used to be called the president's radio address):

Barack Obama: GOP?s deficit plan ?wrong for America' - MJ Lee - POLITICO.com

his newest emphasis:

1. invest---education, student loans, green stuff and infrastructure

2. the m's

3. tax the rich

4. defense cuts

hollow---we'll comb the budget for savings

empty---we must put aside our differences

spurious---we'll build on the savings we started last week

his details concerning entitlement reform---we'll eliminate waste, we'll increase efficiency

upshot---we're right back where we were, except for the augmentation of partisanship and division

leadership, anyone?

WHERE'S THE PLAN?
 
after all the histrionics echo away, americans perceive:

2012 campaign bottom line---does america need major entitlement reform?

republicans say yes

barack the slasher says no

seeya at the polls, progressives
 
Hold on!!!

Nearly 50% of Americans don't pay federal income taxes and 60% recieve more from the government than they pay in taxes. Americans who don't pay taxes still get to vote to raise taxes on those of us who do.

I live in a bad neighborhood and there is a park within view of my home. All day long there are dozens of people who hang out alllllll daaay Lonnnnnng and drink, do drugs and fight, every day, weather permitting.
They are all healthy and fully capable of working or going to school but they choose to hang out in the park and party. When I see them in the grocery store, they are paying with food stamps.

Call me an elitist for thinking they should lose the right to vote and get drugged tested if they are on welfare but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that they are going to vote for whoever promises to take more money from “rich” people and give it to them so they can keep partying and never need to go get a job.
i can appreciate your frustration
but can you appreciate theirs
any chance you or anyone you know has actually offered them a job; offered to help them get into school?
if they came up in the projects, it is quite possible that they believe their income automatically comes to their mailbox on the first week of the month. who have they had around them to model good work ethics. who has shown them that they need to have an employable skill if they want more than that easy check which arrives every month

it is even less likely that anyone was around to model behavior to indicate to them they need to get their asses in a seat at school

those of us who had jobs, who knew how to climb the career ladder usually had someone - often a parent - who served as a mentor to transfer that knowledge and understanding to us. it is not an innate instinct to know how to get a job and be successful. neither is it intuitive to know how to go about getting into school, or acquiring the monies to do so

for a kid from the projects with no one guiding (pushing?) them, that would be a daunting expectation

and in significant degree, because we are without a system which propels the underclass forward, they do only what they know. remain uneducated, unemployed and collect that monthly check. so they have LOTS of idle time. they can spend it in church, and i guarantee that many of those you see are churched, but they still have a LOT of time to spend on the streets (or in your park)

as much as we would want motivation to come from within us, sometimes it must be initiated from the outside. we have generation after generation doing the same thing - without some intervention, why does anyone expect a different outcome?


cutting the few helpful strands from their social safety net to balance our budget will not make things better ... and neither will it balance the budget
 
the evidence is obvious-you pretend it doesn't exist because it demonstrates how pathetic your desires are. you have constantly defended the system that allows the many to vote up-through the people they elect-the taxes of the top tax payers.

spoken like someone who has no belief in democratic elections
spoken like someone who insists that those of his ilk know what is best for the rest of us
 
i can appreciate your frustration
but can you appreciate theirs
any chance you or anyone you know has actually offered them a job; offered to help them get into school?
if they came up in the projects, it is quite possible that they believe their income automatically comes to their mailbox on the first week of the month. who have they had around them to model good work ethics. who has shown them that they need to have an employable skill if they want more than that easy check which arrives every month

it is even less likely that anyone was around to model behavior to indicate to them they need to get their asses in a seat at school

those of us who had jobs, who knew how to climb the career ladder usually had someone - often a parent - who served as a mentor to transfer that knowledge and understanding to us. it is not an innate instinct to know how to get a job and be successful. neither is it intuitive to know how to go about getting into school, or acquiring the monies to do so

for a kid from the projects with no one guiding (pushing?) them, that would be a daunting expectation

and in significant degree, because we are without a system which propels the underclass forward, they do only what they know. remain uneducated, unemployed and collect that monthly check. so they have LOTS of idle time. they can spend it in church, and i guarantee that many of those you see are churched, but they still have a LOT of time to spend on the streets (or in your park)

as much as we would want motivation to come from within us, sometimes it must be initiated from the outside. we have generation after generation doing the same thing - without some intervention, why does anyone expect a different outcome?


cutting the few helpful strands from their social safety net to balance our budget will not make things better ... and neither will it balance the budget

First let me say that it is disrespectful to people and their parent(s) who live in projects to think they have no examples at home or within their family that has any education or works for a living. I say this not as some one who has read books about it but grew up with it. Many parents for any number of reasons work their butts off but do not do well financially. Many public school techers in the inner cities do care about their students and many students in the inner city strive to better themselves.

New York, at least a bunch of years ago when I grew up their was filled with poor 1st or 2nd generation kids. Their parents were discriminated against and took lousy poor paying jobs, worked their butts off and instilled in their kids that the way way out was an education and maybe they could make it to a civil service job, where discrimination was a bit less. The last time I looked there are now Supreme Court Justices who came out of the New York public schools. And that was before their was a department of education to spend $60 billion on who knows what.

How many of those kids coming from immigrant parents were offered jobs, instead of them pounding the streets LOOKING FOR JOBS. If people are disabled or have some problem that keeps them from working, those people deserve our help. The people who drink beer get in fights and look for handouts deserve a swift kick in the ass. If nothing else go into the armed forces, learn a trade and get a stipend for college when you get out.

A safety net for everyone who feels it is beneth them to be a busboy as an example is B.S. I did that and all sorts of jobs I could get, no pats on the back. Just what I would expect anyone to do that respects their family and themselves.

What is the saying: Everyone deserves equal opportunity not equal outcome. Not everyone starts from the same place. If that was an excuse for those who do not come from the top 5% to just say the heck with it, I quit now pay me what type of nation would we have.
 
obama's weekly saturday address, this morning (what used to be called the president's radio address):

Barack Obama: GOP?s deficit plan ?wrong for America' - MJ Lee - POLITICO.com


his newest emphasis:

1. invest---education, student loans, green stuff and infrastructure

2. the m's

3. tax the rich

4. defense cuts

hollow---we'll comb the budget for savings

empty---we must put aside our differences

spurious---we'll build on the savings we started last week

his details concerning entitlement reform---we'll eliminate waste, we'll increase efficiency

upshot---we're right back where we were, except for the augmentation of partisanship and division

leadership, anyone?


WHERE'S THE PLAN?

1. invest---education, student loans, green stuff and infrastructure
then you believe the next generation should be ignorant, dependent on oil imports - such that it taints our middle east foreign policy, and the infrastructure which allows our economy to remain globally competitive should be allowed to decay

i so hope the GOP runs with that platform

2. the m's
as is often the case, this portion of your post was nonsensical

3. tax the rich
if the nation is without sufficient revenue to allow government to do what it needs, then we can either borrow the money or increase tax revenues. since the only category of citizen which has seen an increase in income since the dicknbush era was that of the wealthy, that would appear to be the best place to go for additional tax revenue

yes. i know the GOP proposes to slash the medical budget such that the elderly will be expected to pony up the dollars to offset the $Trillion dollar tax giveaway to millionaires and billionaires, but unfortunately for you, Obama has clued the country in on this unfair republican tradeoff. one huge reason the reich wing is so pissed about Obama's recent address to the nation

4. defense cuts
there are over 700 military installations worldwide (that we know about)
$685 Billion spent on the military last year
[This does not include many military-related items that are outside of the Defense Department budget, such as nuclear weapons research, maintenance, cleanup, and production, which is in the Department of Energy budget, Veterans Affairs, the Treasury Department's payments in pensions to military retirees and widows and their families, interest on debt incurred in past wars, or State Department financing of foreign arms sales and militarily-related development assistance. Neither does it include defense spending that is not military in nature, such as the Department of Homeland Security, counter-terrorism spending by the FBI, and intelligence-gathering spending by NASA.]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States
it is believed that the USA, with 5% of the world's population, spends 40% of the the amount spent on arms in the world. our military expenditure is SIX times that of china
we have spent over a $Trillion in a war to oust a dictator we previously propped up. that does not count the 4,447 lives of American youth and in excess of 33,000 wounded. we incurred those losses for no good reason. iraq posed NO danger to the national security of the USA
so, all told, (and all totaled), there does appear to be significant waste which could be eliminated from our defense expenditures to assist our efforts to again balance our nation's budget


WHERE'S THE PLAN?
you posted it and then pretend not to see it
must be a republican shortsightedness thing
 
justabubba;1059414341]1. invest---education, student loans, green stuff and infrastructure
then you believe the next generation should be ignorant, dependent on oil imports - such that it taints our middle east foreign policy, and the infrastructure which allows our economy to remain globally competitive should be allowed to decay

i so hope the GOP runs with that platform

Yep .. and what is your liberal answer to the education problem in the US … why of course throw more money at it, we already spend more per student in grades k-12 then any nation in the world with diminishing results. The supposed intelligent response of liberals like yourself .. . spend more. In fact that is your answer to eveything in the above post... just tax and spend more. Hell thats been the solution of liberals forever, and it certainly hasn't done very well.





3. tax the rich
if the nation is without sufficient revenue to allow government to do what it needs, then we can either borrow the money or increase tax revenues. since the only category of citizen which has seen an increase in income since the dicknbush era was that of the wealthy, that would appear to be the best place to go for additional tax revenue

Interesting concept you have on the tax cuts that was passed during the Bush years, seeing the greatest percentage in those tax cuts went to the middle class and poor. So besides those tax cuts to the wealthy as liberals like to call them, what other law was passed during the Bush years that made the wealthy.... even more wealthy? Surely it couldn't be the whopping 3% tax cut only that they got, if that was so, then those in the lowest income should really have gained more wealth as they received a 5% tax cut. So what other laws were passed that favored only the wealthy during the Bush years ??

yes. i know the GOP proposes to slash the medical budget such that the elderly will be expected to pony up the dollars to offset the $Trillion dollar tax giveaway to millionaires and billionaires, but unfortunately for you, Obama has clued the country in on this unfair republican tradeoff. one huge reason the reich wing is so pissed about Obama's recent address to the nation

It's always the very same thing with you .. those evil rich people, you need to get a new song and dance routine. As for the elderly, I'm sure that in your limited mental thinking, that Obama's cuts of 500 billion, isn't going to cut benefits at all either... oh no … thats just all waste and fraud, right ? Proving once again, a liberal will believe anything his master tells him.


4. defense cuts
there are over 700 military installations worldwide (that we know about)
$685 Billion spent on the military last year
[This does not include many military-related items that are outside of the Defense Department budget, such as nuclear weapons research, maintenance, cleanup, and production, which is in the Department of Energy budget, Veterans Affairs, the Treasury Department's payments in pensions to military retirees and widows and their families, interest on debt incurred in past wars, or State Department financing of foreign arms sales and militarily-related development assistance. Neither does it include defense spending that is not military in nature, such as the Department of Homeland Security, counter-terrorism spending by the FBI, and intelligence-gathering spending by NASA.]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States
it is believed that the USA, with 5% of the world's population, spends 40% of the the amount spent on arms in the world. our military expenditure is SIX times that of china
we have spent over a $Trillion in a war to oust a dictator we previously propped up. that does not count the 4,447 lives of American youth and in excess of 33,000 wounded. we incurred those losses for no good reason. iraq posed NO danger to the national security of the USA
so, all told, (and all totaled), there does appear to be significant waste which could be eliminated from our defense expenditures to assist our efforts to again balance our nation's budget

685 billion spent on our military, that employees over 2 million people that pay taxes .. SS and Medicare. While at the same time serve and protect our country. Yet you find that to be just terrible.

Yet we spend over 600 billion dollars a year on people at or below the poverty level, those people that pay nothing in and of the federal taxes collected, don't protect this country from anything, and are the most apt to end up in our prison systems, that costs us even more. And you answer for this is to give them more, make excuses for them. How about this .. every dollar cut from defense, we get an equal dollar cut from our welfare system?
 
LOL!

so nasty

almost as bitter as the slasher himself

if the m's are such a godsend why are they killing us

if obamacare is the answer why does weiner wanna waiver

the only plans coming out of the slasher's white house were:

Dems won't pass 2010 budget

Obama unveils $3.73 trillion budget for 2012 - Politics - White House - msnbc.com

cuz that's all there is

in the way of a PLAN, that is

hurry, harry, make the slasher's excellent speech, his great speech, come REAL

interest on the debt alone is racing towards 1T per year
 
we already spend more per student in grades k-12 then any nation in the world with diminishing results.

true

from cuomo's state of the state, february: "we spend more money on education than any state in the nation and we are number 34 in terms of results"

say what you will, at least the dem scion from dark blue new york is taking real action in our serious times

as for money:

GAO Finds Massive Waste, Duplication - FoxBusiness.com

no less than the gao reported it had found a full half trillion dollars of waste and duplication and fraud, mismanagement, corruption...

further, "most of it came in fiscal years 09 and 10"

moreover, MOST programs have never been "evaluated for efficiency"

"little is known of the effectiveness of MOST (emphasis mine) programs"

money is not the answer

685 billion spent on our military

and the slasher now has us underwriting THREE wars

the question of 2012---does america need major entitlement reform

republicans say yes

barack the slasher hussein says no
 
i so hope the GOP runs with that platform

the gop platform is---america needs major budget reform

present leadership is unamenable to and incapable of executing that agenda

seeya at the polls, progressives

bring that excellent speech, that great speech
 
Yep .. and what is your liberal answer to the education problem in the US … why of course throw more money at it, we already spend more per student in grades k-12 then any nation in the world with diminishing results. The supposed intelligent response of liberals like yourself .. . spend more. In fact that is your answer to eveything in the above post... just tax and spend more. Hell thats been the solution of liberals forever, and it certainly hasn't done very well.







Interesting concept you have on the tax cuts that was passed during the Bush years, seeing the greatest percentage in those tax cuts went to the middle class and poor. So besides those tax cuts to the wealthy as liberals like to call them, what other law was passed during the Bush years that made the wealthy.... even more wealthy? Surely it couldn't be the whopping 3% tax cut only that they got, if that was so, then those in the lowest income should really have gained more wealth as they received a 5% tax cut. So what other laws were passed that favored only the wealthy during the Bush years ??



It's always the very same thing with you .. those evil rich people, you need to get a new song and dance routine. As for the elderly, I'm sure that in your limited mental thinking, that Obama's cuts of 500 billion, isn't going to cut benefits at all either... oh no … thats just all waste and fraud, right ? Proving once again, a liberal will believe anything his master tells him.




685 billion spent on our military, that employees over 2 million people that pay taxes .. SS and Medicare. While at the same time serve and protect our country. Yet you find that to be just terrible.

Yet we spend over 600 billion dollars a year on people at or below the poverty level, those people that pay nothing in and of the federal taxes collected, don't protect this country from anything, and are the most apt to end up in our prison systems, that costs us even more. And you answer for this is to give them more, make excuses for them. How about this .. every dollar cut from defense, we get an equal dollar cut from our welfare system?

Now you have "done it" confused justbubba with facts, logic, and common sense which will force him to do what he did when I did the same thing, ignore the post only to come back a day or so later with the same tired old rhetoric. Nothing changes the mind of a cult follower and unfortunately there are a number of them who believes rhetoric trumps actual results.
 
Understanding the Presidents' New Budget

an excellent, excellent analysis. the punchline:
Analysis

Here are four broad reactions to the new proposal.

First, this is a short-term budget, not a long-term budget. There are three forces driving our long-run government spending and deficit problem:

1. demographics;
2. unsustainable growth in per capita health spending; and
3. unsustainable promises made by past elected officials, enshrined in entitlement benefit formulas.

The President’s proposal addresses none of these forces. It instead spends most of its effort on everything but those factors. His proposed Medicare and Medicaid savings, while large in aggregate dollars, are quite small relative to the total amount to be spent on those programs, and he lets the largest program in the federal budget (Social Security) grow unchecked. While Bowles and Simpson focused their efforts on the major entitlements and also addressed other spending areas and taxes, the President’s proposal does the reverse, focusing on other mandatory spending, taxes, and defense. That’s a short-term focus.

Second, this proposal “feels” to me like the recently concluded discretionary spending deal. It’s the size of a typical deficit reduction bill that Congress usually does every five or so years. I’m sure the affected interest groups are even now preparing to invade Washington to explain how a 3-5% cut will devastate them. The problem is that our fiscal problems are now so big that they require much larger policy changes.

Third, while framed as a centrist proposal, the substance leans pretty far left. It’s deficit reduction through (triggered) tax increases on the rich, plus defense cuts, plus unspecified other mandatory cuts and process mechanisms that might cut Medicare provider payments. Centrist Democrat proposals do all of these things, but they also reform Social Security and Medicare, usually through a combination of raising the eligibility age, means-testing, and raising taxes.

Fourth, the President’s speech was campaign-like in its characterization of and attacks on the Ryan plan.

The President’s proposal could be the opening bid in a negotiation with Congressional Republicans. When you combine this substance with the President’s aggressive partisan attacks and framing of the Ryan budget, however, it’s hard to see how this leads to a big fiscal deal this year or next. A small incremental bill, which “cuts” spending by a couple hundred billion dollars over the next decade, is possible. But the chances of a long-term grand bargain in the next two years just plummeted from an already low starting point.
 
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Understanding the Presidents' New Budget

an excellent, excellent analysis. the punchline:


I believe that letting the bush tax cuts expire will answer Almost $1.2 Trillion of the problem over the next ten years.Social Security? Taking the cap off will cure that one. Implement Medicare for all takes healthcare off the table. Stop a couple of wars, close a few unnecessary bases, problem solved.:2wave:
 
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I believe that letting the bush tax cuts expire will answer Almost $1.2 Trillion of the problem over the next ten years.Social Security? Taking the cap off will cure that one. Implement Medicare for all takes healthcare off the table. Stop a couple of wars, close a few unnecessary bases, problem solved.:2wave:

What you believe is irrelevant and typical liberalism. What the increase in taxes does to the economy is all that matters. Allowing people to keep more of their own money seems to really bother liberals and the question is why? Why don't liberals ever focus on actual spending and the true role of the govt? Much of what is being spent at the Federal level is duplicated at the state levels thus is unnecessary.
 
I believe that letting the bush tax cuts expire will answer Almost $1.2 Trillion of the problem over the next ten years

you can tax everyone making $100,000 and up at 100% and still not balance this years' budget. scored statically (which is what that "1.2 trillion" number is), which is to say - scored in the vain hope that people will never seek to minimize their exposure to taxes.

Social Security? Taking the cap off will cure that one

actually no, it won't. wander on over to the social security fix thread and we've hashed out the numbers - it's not even close.

Implement Medicare for all takes healthcare off the table

by destroying the table. Medicare already is $70 trillion in the hole; adding more people will not help.

Stop a couple of wars, close a few unnecessary bases, problem solved.:2wave:

on the bases i'm with you. but that money is small potatos compared to our entitlement crises that's about to hit.
 
QUOTE cpwill;

you can tax everyone making $100,000 and up at 100% and still not balance this years' budget. scored statically (which is what that "1.2 trillion" number is), which is to say - scored in the vain hope that people will never seek to minimize their exposure to taxes.


Notice the qualifier I put in there? Almost $1.2 Trillion of the problem over the next ten years)

actually no, it won't. wander on over to the social security fix thread and we've hashed out the numbers - it's not even close.

When we start running short I would expect the Social Security Administration will exercise the right that it has, and hand over to the Treasury, the bonds from the Social Security Trust Fund to cover said deficit. Eureka!! said deficit gets paid like any other AAA rated T bill. Now that being said lets take another look at curing the ills for the long term.

We could do as I said previously, increase the taxable earnings base to the people that seen their income grow over the last decade or two as apposed to remaining stagnate.

Let them pay the nut for all of their income. I have read somewhere that would take care of the nut for the next 75 years. Just to be on the safe side we might make the payroll tax rate equal to the cost of paying the benefits. :shock:


by destroying the table. Medicare already is $70 trillion in the hole; adding more people will not help.

Wiping this so called healthcare system we have and replacing it with universal healthcare for every citizen of the Unite States would would save more than $70 trillion.Not only that, it would make our...well,what industry that hasn't fled the country more competitive on the global economy. :2wave:



on the bases i'm with you. but that money is small potatos compared to our entitlement crises that's about to hit.

Where the word entitlement comes into play on something that you pay into all of your working live is beyond pure wordsmithing....Karl was that you?
 
Notice the qualifier I put in there? Almost $1.2 Trillion of the problem over the next ten years)



When we start running short I would expect the Social Security Administration will exercise the right that it has, and hand over to the Treasury, the bonds from the Social Security Trust Fund to cover said deficit. Eureka!! said deficit gets paid like any other AAA rated T bill. Now that being said lets take another look at curing the ills for the long term.

We could do as I said previously, increase the taxable earnings base to the people that seen their income grow over the last decade or two as apposed to remaining stagnate.

Let them pay the nut for all of their income. I have read somewhere that would take care of the nut for the next 75 years. Just to be on the safe side we might make the payroll tax rate equal to the cost of paying the benefits. :shock:




Wiping this so called healthcare system we have and replacing it with universal healthcare for every citizen of the Unite States would would save more than $70 trillion.Not only that, it would make our...well,what industry that hasn't fled the country more competitive on the global economy. :2wave:





Where the word entitlement comes into play on something that you pay into all of your working live is beyond pure wordsmithing....Karl was that you?

Where does the money come from to cover those bonds?
 
well, i don't recall seeing federal accounting done in crayon before...

but the pros lay it out pretty plainly and there's a lotta red

Fiscal Commission Co-Chairs Simpson And Bowles Release Eye-Popping Recommendations | TPMDC

it's math

if something isn't done soon to reform what are commonly referred to as entitlements, then medicare and medicaid and social security (as well as state pensions) will not be there for the next generation

leadership, anyone?
 
spoken like someone who has no belief in democratic elections
spoken like someone who insists that those of his ilk know what is best for the rest of us

wrong-which is the usual status for your posts

1) I know what is best for me. I don't need a nanny government taking care of me and I certainly don't need people who think like you saying you know what is better for me and I need to be taxed to pay for that

2) Our system has many flaws-one of them is that those who don't pay taxes have the power to vote up the taxes of others
 
well, i don't recall seeing federal accounting done in crayon before...

but the pros lay it out pretty plainly and there's a lotta red

Fiscal Commission Co-Chairs Simpson And Bowles Release Eye-Popping Recommendations | TPMDC

it's math

if something isn't done soon to reform what are commonly referred to as entitlements, then medicare and medicaid and social security (as well as state pensions) will not be there for the next generation

leadership, anyone?
either you did not read the deficit commission report or you truncated what it said
not only was it recommended that we create ways to effect economies of the entitlement programs, but those same savings were also found to be needed in defense and other federal operations. and revenues increase - including revision of the tax code away from special interests - was another key component
you cherry picked that report
 
you cherry picked that report

LOL!

i linked it, made no comment, let it speak for itself

not only was it recommended that we create ways to effect economies of the entitlement programs, but those same savings were also found to be needed in defense and other federal operations. and revenues increase

precisely

and where's the slasher

when's his next great speech, excellent speech

where's hurryup harry

cuz if something isn't done soon to reform the entitlements, they won't be there for the next generation

leadership, anyone?
 
LOL!

i linked it, made no comment, let it speak for itself



precisely

and where's the slasher

when's his next great speech, excellent speech

where's hurryup harry

cuz if something isn't done soon to reform the entitlements, they won't be there for the next generation

leadership, anyone?
[emphasis added by bubba]
now let's examine that post, of which you insisted consisted of a cite without any added comment:
well, i don't recall seeing federal accounting done in crayon before...

but the pros lay it out pretty plainly and there's a lotta red

Fiscal Commission Co-Chairs Simpson And Bowles Release Eye-Popping Recommendations | TPMDC

it's math

if something isn't done soon to reform what are commonly referred to as entitlements, then medicare and medicaid and social security (as well as state pensions) will not be there for the next generation

leadership, anyone?
[emphasis again added by bubba to point out the comments the forum member insists were not made in his own post

such obvious lying is why you haven't any credibility

it is also noted that you declined to respond to my following rebuttal to your misrepresented point:
... not only was it recommended that we create ways to effect economies of the entitlement programs, but those same savings were also found to be needed in defense and other federal operations. and revenues increase - including revision of the tax code away from special interests - was another key component ...
 
if something isn't done soon to reform entitlements they won't be there in a generation

you think that's a lie?

LOL!

dear harry, hurry up, move on the slasher's bold vision

if something isn't done soon about reforming entitlements they won't be there for the next generation

and don't forget the states' pensions, they're also in danger of extinction

News Headlines

leadership, anyone?
 
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