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Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

The Prof said:
Barack Obama leaves GOP in no mood to deal - Glenn Thrush and Manu Raju - POLITICO.com

barack the slasher hussein---it's all about him
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i missed the problem

Obama painted an accurate picture of the situation we are in. such as denying medical care to the elderly so that tax breaks can be given to billionaires

a reality the republicans will resent being put on public display

from my vantage, that can be the only problem the republicans have with Obama's address. nothing prevent the six from continuing to engage in negotiations
 
today:

President Obama says his 2006 vote against raising the debt limit was "political" and that he wasn't thinking about "what was important for the country.

Here's what Obama told ABC News's George Stephanopoulos: "I think that it’s important to understand the vantage point of a senator versus the vantage point of a ... president. When you’re a senator, traditionally what’s happened is, this is always a lousy vote. Nobody likes to be tagged as having increased the debt limit for the United States by a trillion dollars. ... As president, you start realizing: 'You know what? We -- we can’t play around with this stuff. This is the full faith in credit of the United States.' And so that was just a example of a new senator, you know, making what is a political vote as opposed to doing what was important for the country. And I’m the first one to acknowledge it."
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The Obama Presidency. Minute by Minute | POLITICO 44

leadership, anyone?

are you sure this guy knows what he's doing?
 
Conservative said:
Awkward? It is a downright lie to say that people keeping more of their money is an expense to the govt. We don't have a revenue problem we have an overreaching Federal Govt. doing what states are supposed to do and thus a spending problem.
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while it was awkwardly stated, it was on target
those billionaires would have been unable to realize a continuation of the dicknbush tax giveaway but for the republicans holding the unemployment benefits of millions of Americans hostage
that resulting unrealized tax revenue causes our accumulated national deficit to grow even larger
 
justabubba said:
Obama painted an accurate picture of the situation we are in.
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tell picasso to put down the brush and pick up the pen

a reality the republicans will resent being put on public display
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if we didn't want it on display we wouldn't have WRITTEN IT UP

from my vantage, that can be the only problem the republicans have with Obama's address. nothing prevent the six from continuing to engage in negotiations
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your vantage point, apparently, differs from the WHIP's
 
justabubba said:
while it was awkwardly stated, it was on target
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then write it up

and hurry

but if it's so on target why wasn't it part of the 2011 budget which was never submitted or the 2012 piece which was

dicknbush
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grow up, mature members don't come here for truck stop graffiti
 
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The Prof said:
tell picasso to put down the brush and pick up the pen
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you tell him. don't think he will hear you from his grave

if we didn't want it on display we wouldn't have WRITTEN IT UP
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what you resent being put on display is how you will take education money, health care money, environment care money, and trade it to "justify" tax breaks for billionaires
Obama did a sterling job of presenting your "write up" in a way the ordinary citizen will recognize it gives the citizen the short end of the stick. Obama made it evident the republican party is bought an paid for. in that address, Obama showed us all the receipt

your vantage point, apparently, differs from the WHIP's
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surprised mensa isn't contacting you after that difficult conclusion
 
so all that remains for the slasher is class warfare and demagoguery

ie, no plan, no budget, no reform, no touching entitlements, no deal, no reachout...

just a politcal stump speech, a nasty one at that, all politics

and of course, more of the same---spend, spend, spend

and all the above done desperately IMPROMPTU, an afternoon's improvisation, shamed into action by the house budget chair's PLAN which, in humiliating contrast to the slasher's, is REAL

everyone SAW it

leadership, anyone?
 
justabubba said:
Obama did a sterling job of presenting your "write up" in a way the ordinary citizen will recognize it gives the citizen the short end of the stick.
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then harry'll have something by june

america's WAITING

we'll still be HERE

tick tock...
 
justabubba said:
i missed the problem

Obama painted an accurate picture of the situation we are in. such as denying medical care to the elderly so that tax breaks can be given to billionaires

a reality the republicans will resent being put on public display

from my vantage, that can be the only problem the republicans have with Obama's address. nothing prevent the six from continuing to engage in negotiations
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Not sure if you are looking to debate an issue or just making a statement. If you are trying to make a debating point let me try and take the other side.

I no of no one who thinks that Medicare in it's current form is sustainable. People who make long term projections say that Medicare funding is short by about $30 trillion. I am not in favor of the "Ryan plan" but understand we need to do something.

As to taxes, I personally have no problem raising the rates to Clinton era days. As a matter I would propose a super bracket for the true high income folks, as an example over $5 million at a 50-60% rate. If you live in the NE you know that calling people who make $250K rich is just not reality.

Saying that, raising the tax rate on the higher incomes only adds about $750 billion over ten years, hardly enough to cover the hole we are in as it relates to Medicare. Now if you took away the entire bush tax cuts that would be an increase in revenues of about $3-4 trillion, but Obama does not go there, no shared sacrifice.

Bottom line, neither side seems serious yet about trying to solve this issue. to say as you did above it is above preserving tax breaks while somewhat true is really a strawman as tax increases alone can't fix this problem.

BTW- Medicare while a huge looming problem is not close to the root cause or really any of the reason we currently have a $1.6 trillion deficit.

Just so you know i have been in to many angry back and forths on this site, and really have no interest in that type of "debate". If you care to parry back on issues, great. If not feel free not to respond.
 
samsmart said:
But it's not up to the President to provide details. Remember, it's Congress who proposes, writes, and and passes bills. All the President does, technically, is sign a bill into law or veto a bill. He can't even propose a bill - if he wants a law made he has to convince a Congressman or Senator to propose it for him.

De facto, yes, the President has the ability to influence the writing of a bill. But in this budget bill, there's so many different factions already - Tea Party House Republicans, social conservative House Republicans, moderate House Republicans, conservative House Democrats, progressive House Democrats, Senate Democrats, and Senate Republicans - that the last thing we need is someone else demanding specifics.

I don't think the President - even if he was a Republican President - deserves much blame for what's going on regarding this budget. Rather, the blame goes to our politicians in Congress for not being able to make practical compromises. Then again, that's not surprising when the American people tend to be uncomfortable with compromises nowadays and vote out politicians who do.

So maybe it's more our own fault than anyone elses'.
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Holy Shinola Batman! A common sense post!
 
Conservative said:
Some people will always buy the rhetoric from this President. How about answering some of the tough questions raised in other posts on this thread?
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I'm reading the thread, and so far all I see is partisan sniping. I guess I'm contributing to it with this post. Dang it!
 
Red Crow said:
There you go, tax the rich. The rich people who went to school worked their asses off to become rich and give people jobs, now they have to SHARE their wealth with the LEACHES of society. BRAVO!!!! This is called Socialism.
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Really? Taxing the rich is called socialism? Please explain that to me. And don't the working poor and the middle class work their asses off as well? Let me answer that: Yep. American workers are consistently considered the hardest workers on the planet when you compare the amount of hours worked and the amount of time off we get.

Don't crap on the middle class or the working poor. They have to wade through enough crap as it is.
 
justabubba said:
while it was awkwardly stated, it was on target
those billionaires would have been unable to realize a continuation of the dicknbush tax giveaway but for the republicans holding the unemployment benefits of millions of Americans hostage
that resulting unrealized tax revenue causes our accumulated national deficit to grow even larger
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So you think billionaires should be forced to give their money to the govt. so the govt. can take their administrative costs and spend it where they deem necessary vs. spending it themselves on charities? Unrealized tax revenue? Just like you didn't watch the Obama speech you didn't read the Ryan Plan. Social spending belongs at the state and local levels, not the Federal Govt. what the hell does a bureacrat in D.C. know about a problem in say Boise, Idaho? Where did you learn it was the Federal Government's responsibility to solve local social problems?

I asked you a question which you didn't answer, do you feel that keeping more of your own money is an expense to the govt?
 
Every time a hear another piece of that speech, Obama really put Ryan in his place. The little newbie didn't have clue, I can't believe the GOP let his 'plan' see the light of day...
 
hazlnut said:
Every time a hear another piece of that speech, Obama really put Ryan in his place. The little newbie didn't have clue, I can't believe the GOP let his 'plan' see the light of day...
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Right, like any good liberal just kick the can down the road and never address the problems. Obviously nothing is going to change your mind so how about answering a question, what is it about the liberal ideology that creates such loyalty? Obviously it cannot be results.
 
Conservative said:
I asked you a question which you didn't answer, do you feel that keeping more of your own money is an expense to the govt?
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much more important, THE SLASHER believes it

they're SPENDING REDUCTIONS IN THE TAX CODE, according to the slash

hey, he's got mainstream michael moore on his side

RealClearPolitics - Video - Moore On Wealthy People's Money: "That's Not Theirs, That's A National Resource, It's Ours"

happy campaigning, progressives

mom and pop, meanwhile, are just gonna have to WAIT
 
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Maybe at some point we will figure out that our tax system doesn't work and come up with a better system that doesn't cause so much daily anxiety.

I've advocated a use tax system that taxes all the foreign countries and everybody for the privilege of using our infrastructure that our grandparents built to sell your products to our wealthy population.
 
hazlnut said:
I can't believe the GOP let his 'plan' see the light of day...
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when will the slasher's solution see sunshine

hurry, harry!

service on the debt, MERE INTEREST ALONE, is racing towards ONE TRILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR

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whysoserious said:
As I recall, just letting the Bush tax cuts expire would account for somewhere around 75% of the budget shortfall. 1
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Of course the link that you provided did not actually supply any hard data to suppor their assertion that the expiration of the tax cuts would cut the deficit by 75% - why am I not surprised?
 
Conservative said:
Right, like any good liberal just kick the can down the road and never address the problems. Obviously nothing is going to change your mind so how about answering a question, what is it about the liberal ideology that creates such loyalty? Obviously it cannot be results.
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The fact that you think I'm a liberal only shows how far off to the right you are.

Partisan Ideologues are bringing down the country.
 
hazlnut said:
The fact that you think I'm a liberal only shows how far off to the right you are.

Partisan Ideologues are bringing down the country.
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And of course the massive social spending is having zero affect, right? I didn't see an answer to the question, what is it about the liberal ideology that creates such loyalty? You are listed as a moderate which no one here that has read your posts believes. You simply cannot admit who you are but that doesn't stop you from claiming I am far right. If being far right means a smaller, limited Federal govt, putting all social issues back where they belong in the states, and implementing a fair tax policy that forces the govt. to do what our Founders envisioned is far right, then I am guilty.
 
hazlnut said:
The fact that you think I'm a liberal only shows how far off to the right you are.

Partisan Ideologues are bringing down the country.
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Yes...yes indeed...'they' certainly are... :roll:
 
so where are we now?

we're a day closer to fiscal catastrophe all can see coming like planets colliding, and a day (the way we spend) is a lot

we're recipient of an excellent speech, a great speech, that talks about stuff he obviously threw together over the weekend

in which he excellently and boldly lays out...

what, exactly?

tax the rich, hate your neighbors, feel that resentment, go envy

invest, invest, invest, invest, times four---always the same, education, student loans, anything green (except money) and of course infrastructure (which never met a shovel ready job)

as for ENTITLEMENTS, ie, the PLANET which is plummeting towards our earth to pulverize it, what?

the INDEPENDENT ADVISORY BOARD?

the REGULAR FORMALIZING of state/fed scheduling for MEDICAID, the ghetto of us health care?

that's IT?

no NOTICE even of premiums or retirement ages or eligibility qualifications?

no AWARENESS of copays or managed care or deductibles?

you have to be awful caught up in CAMPAIGNING to be so OBLVIOUS to our current exigencies, president slash

why, it's as if BOWLES and SIMPSON never existed

the point is---THAT'S WHAT AMERICANS SEE

cuz IT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING

american's demand LEADERSHIP, real BUDGET REFORM

instead, the slasher offers SQUAT

except for prohibitively expensive POLITICS

in other words, WE'RE EXACTLY WHERE WE WERE

seeya at the polls, progressive

what do you think mom and pop are gonna say a month from now when the president is STILL TALKING and NOTHING has HAPPENED?
 
hazlnut said:
Every time a hear another piece of that speech, Obama really put Ryan in his place. The little newbie didn't have clue, I can't believe the GOP let his 'plan' see the light of day...
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It was a gift to President Obama.
 
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