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WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

j-mac said:
the wars don't even come close to what Obama has spent in the past 2 years. Try another one.


j-mac
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You've got to be kidding me :lol:
 
Badmutha said:
Truely amazing watching the Most Expensive President in History......the Biggest Leftist to ever stain the Whitehouse......sprint towards the middle grasping at the very conservative principles he despises.



HusSame is trying to pull the biggest 180 in history, in an effort to woo the very voters who still believe it was BJ Clinton who balanced the budget and reformed Welfare. Coming on the heels of last Friday night, when the Tea Party dragged Obama and Democrats to The Largest Spending Cut in US History kicking and screaming......only to have The Most Expensive President in US History take credit a few hours later.

This will be interesting........if Obama supports cutting Medicaid and Medicare today.......the Democrat faithful will support it tomorrow......just as they did with Barack Petroleum's Lybian War for Oil.


4/11/2011......Democrats support killing Seniors and depriving "da Childen"....
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Can anything he says this week about a budget be construed as anything but a political stunt. He has already given us his budget proposal about a month ago. Does anyone find it interesting that it was announced not by an economic advisor but his personal fluffer. I thought that was only for porn stars!

America gets the govenrment we deserve. First we hire an ex-alcoholic from texas whose daddy was president. Clearly unqualified, except for a bourban tasting contest. So what do we do next hire someone who also has experience in nothing of value. Good speaker yes. Deep thinker, no.

My sense is that it isn't politicians who are not serious about fixing the problems we have in america, rather it is the voters who refuse to understand the basics of things such as the economy, so the are left with memorizing political talking points.
 
Jetboogieman said:
*sigh

He cannot be helped buying into the con lib merry go round...

You have no idea how duped you've been into this republican democrat spinning wheel that makes you afraid of your fellow citizen for their political affiliation.

Have fun with all that.
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Spoken like a true lib.....heh, heh.....


j-mac
 
Badmutha said:
So what your saying is "Its all George Bush's Fault"..........

.........interesting.........I havent heard that perspective everyday for "the last 8 years"......
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If you believe presidents control the economy, you have to lay blame at Bush's feet.
 
USA_1 said:
'09 was Bush's budget and that didn't include his trillion dollar bank bailout. We have spent over a trillion dollars for the wars...........for nothing. Bush was just as bad if not worse than Obama.
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Please by all means show me that one.....Oh, and BTW, who again passes the budgets, and who signs them again?

Deuce said:
What you have to remember is that these are the sort of people who actually believed one of Obama's trips cost $200 million/day. DOD guy calls it "comical," but they clung to it like it was the new birther theory.
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Flame baiter. Now sit down.

Your Star said:
You've got to be kidding me
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Nope, You libs sure love to throw out the attacks when it comes to your ideological opponents, but when your guy is worse, then it's all about deflection, no responsibility, and empty crap....Own it....This is your hope and change.

j-mac
 
I welcome the efforts of the bipartisan group of Senators who are working to transform the Bowles-Simpson Commission's recommendations into legislation. I also welcome Congressman Paul Ryan's fiscal concept statement. Both make opening contributions to the larger fiscal consolidation debate. I will also welcome President Obama's contribution to be outlined on Wednesday.

Clearly, with the 2012 elections looming, there will obviously be a political scramble to gain credit. IMO, who will ultimately get credit if the effort is successful is much less important than whether a credible fiscal consolidation path is laid out. That the parties may finally be moving toward engagement on those issues is encouraging, but a lot of risky political effort remains to be pursued. The process is just approaching its infancy. While I don't expect everything to be fleshed out in time for the debt ceiling debate vote, I believe agreement on some broad parameters, general long-term deficit reduction targets, and some implementation mechanisms should be part of the overall arrangement. I don't believe mere promises would be credible. Something more than that would be required.
 
j-mac said:
Nope, You libs sure love to throw out the attacks when it comes to your ideological opponents, but when your guy is worse, then it's all about deflection, no responsibility, and empty crap....Own it....This is your hope and change.

j-mac
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You libs? Like I get orders from some big agency telling me what to believe :lol:
The facts are that the wars are extremely expensive, and Bush didn't put the wars on the books, which made that graph look like Obama is spending way more than Bush, when in reality he isn't. We need to cut the military, social security, and medicaid if we are going to solve the deficit, and that hasn't happened yet, I hope it does soon.
 
Badmutha said:
Truely amazing watching the Most Expensive President in History......the Biggest Leftist to ever stain the Whitehouse......sprint towards the middle grasping at the very conservative principles he despises.



HusSame is trying to pull the biggest 180 in history, in an effort to woo the very voters who still believe it was BJ Clinton who balanced the budget and reformed Welfare. Coming on the heels of last Friday night, when the Tea Party dragged Obama and Democrats to The Largest Spending Cut in US History kicking and screaming......only to have The Most Expensive President in US History take credit a few hours later.

This will be interesting........if Obama supports cutting Medicaid and Medicare today.......the Democrat faithful will support it tomorrow......just as they did with Barack Petroleum's Lybian War for Oil.


4/11/2011......Democrats support killing Seniors and depriving "da Childen"....
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Doesn't really matter, nothing will actually change. The Republocrats spent us into this mess, and they'll continue to do so. We'll get into more wars, waste more American lives and American dollars, become more in debt to China; and all we'll have is the same players running and the same idiots arguing that their retard is the better retard so we should vote for him.
 
Ikari said:
Doesn't really matter, nothing will actually change. The Republocrats spent us into this mess, and they'll continue to do so. We'll get into more wars, waste more American lives and American dollars, become more in debt to China; and all we'll have is the same players running and the same idiots arguing that their retard is the better retard so we should vote for him.
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Quite true. Only if epublicans are running the show again, they'll say the debt doesn't matter. ;)
 
Your Star said:
You libs? Like I get orders from some big agency telling me what to believe :lol:
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You do. Geo Soros, Media Matters, and MSNBC. Cut and paste from any of these org's, and I'd wager it is mirroring what is posted here by the liberal glitteratti.


The facts are that the wars are extremely expensive, and Bush didn't put the wars on the books, which made that graph look like Obama is spending way more than Bush, when in reality he isn't.
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I'd love to see a side by side of that. Even though you do have a point about off the books spending for the wars, it pales in comparrison to Obama spending. Obama spent $226 Billion in Feb alone.....

We need to cut the military, social security, and medicaid if we are going to solve the deficit, and that hasn't happened yet, I hope it does soon.
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then I assume you'll back the Ryan plan.

j-mac
 
Ikari said:
Doesn't really matter, nothing will actually change. The Republocrats spent us into this mess, and they'll continue to do so. We'll get into more wars, waste more American lives and American dollars, become more in debt to China; and all we'll have is the same players running and the same idiots arguing that their retard is the better retard so we should vote for him.
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More empty rhetoric....Ah well, even noise is something I guess.

j-mac
 
Grant said:
Do you believe that the debt run up by Obama matters, Boo?
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I believe the debt matters no matter who runs it up. I prefer spending that is paid for and think we need both to cut spending and increase taxes. However, I remeber when I was making this arguement during the Bush years being told the debt didn't matter. I fid it odd that it now matters.

And yes, there were some republcians who agreed with me then, but no where near the number we see today. Both parties spend. Both parties are responsible for our troubles. And neither we actually tackle the problem until made to.
 
j-mac said:
You do. Geo Soros, Media Matters, and MSNBC. Cut and paste from any of these org's, and I'd wager it is mirroring what is posted here by the liberal glitteratti.
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I really don't even know who Soros is, don't watch MSNBC(except for like their prison shows, stuff like that), and have never been to Media Matters. Your arguments sound stupid when you assume things about people.


I'd love to see a side by side of that. Even though you do have a point about off the books spending for the wars, it pales in comparrison to Obama spending. Obama spent $226 Billion in Feb alone.....
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Financial cost of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here are some numbers about the Iraq war in general regarding spending
The graph I responded too, was biased, and I pointed out that bias. I'm not denying Obama has spent alot of money, to say that Bush was economically responsible compared to Obama is ridiculous.

then I assume you'll back the Ryan plan.

j-mac
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I haven't read it, or gotten a summary so it would be foolish for me to have an opinion about it right now.
 
j-mac said:
More empty rhetoric....Ah well, even noise is something I guess.

j-mac
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Just a statement on the reality of the system is all. Support the status quo as much as you want; you won't change a damned thing. Other than your arguments depending on whether or not a D or R is in power.
 
Ikari said:
Just a statement on the reality of the system is all. Support the status quo as much as you want; you won't change a damned thing. Other than your arguments depending on whether or not a D or R is in power.
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Truly independent or Libertarian candidates don't have a sliver of a chance in hell, unless they make their bones in smaller local elections first. You can sit there and dream of putting the two parties out of power, but not in your lifetime will you see that happen of any significance.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Truly independent or Libertarian candidates don't have a sliver of a chance in hell, unless they make their bones in smaller local elections first. You can sit there and dream of putting the two parties out of power, but not in your lifetime will you see that happen of any significance.


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Perhaps not, but support of the status quo will not change the status quo. I do not like the direction of big government, big spending, big deficit, big war, big brother expansionist policies the main party is pursuing. If I do not like it, I cannot support it. Thus I am left with no alternative but to vote third party. Maybe if the system was actually free and open and we had worthwhile debates with more than just 2 candidates we could maybe have better control over our government; which is the proper direction we must go in. I'm not going to support the status quo when the status quo is damaging to the Republic.
 
Your Star said:
I really don't even know who Soros is, don't watch MSNBC(except for like their prison shows, stuff like that), and have never been to Media Matters. Your arguments sound stupid when you assume things about people.




Financial cost of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here are some numbers about the Iraq war in general regarding spending
The graph I responded too, was biased, and I pointed out that bias. I'm not denying Obama has spent alot of money, to say that Bush was economically responsible compared to Obama is ridiculous.



I haven't read it, or gotten a summary so it would be foolish for me to have an opinion about it right now.
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Ok, according to your own post on wiki, it states that the cost of the Iraq war was about $12 Billion a month, that is approximately $144 Billion per year. In 2007 I believe that Bush's spending was around $250 Billion, now add that $144 Billion and you come out with $394 Billion. Obama's spending in February alone this year was $226 Billion. ONE MONTH! And the Shortest month of the year!!!!! Now can we get real here.

j-mac
 
Ikari said:
Perhaps not, but support of the status quo will not change the status quo. I do not like the direction of big government, big spending, big deficit, big war, big brother expansionist policies the main party is pursuing. If I do not like it, I cannot support it. Thus I am left with no alternative but to vote third party. Maybe if the system was actually free and open and we had worthwhile debates with more than just 2 candidates we could maybe have better control over our government; which is the proper direction we must go in. I'm not going to support the status quo when the status quo is damaging to the Republic.
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Listen, it may surprise you to know that I actually agree with you when you are talking about control of government, liberty, big government, etc...But like I said I prefer to work within the system to change it, where as you seem to be telling me that you are standing outside the door screaming at the moon. That doesn't work.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
In 2007 I believe that Bush's spending was around $250 Billion, now add that $144 Billion and you come out with $394 Billion.

j-mac
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The President's(Bush) actual budget for 2007 totals $2.8 trillion.
The President's(Bush) budget for 2009 totals $3.1 trillion.
The President's(Obama) budget request for 2010 totals $3.55 trillion
 
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