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Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

Mayor Snorkum said:
There will be less sex in the 'hood, once word gets around that those baby things are a real pain in the ass and they even cost money to care for.
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Because poor white trash in the trailer parks don't get preggers?
 
Demon of Light said:
I would wish to live in a world where people are not given free range to kill babies. Abortion should be put in its rightful place in the criminal justice system: in legislation regarding homicide.



I love how people say abortion is not about convenience and then give an entire litany of justifications rooted solely in the idea that babies are inconvenient. Abortion is a scourge on mankind of our own design and the tolerance for it is an indication of rampant depravity in our society. We are not talking about smoking pot or paying for a blowjob. These are human lives being taken and no humane civilization should allow it. How we deal with the potential fallout of abolishing this evil is another matter to be considered after the fact.



Murder does not only refer to unlawful killing. Of course, whether you consider it unlawful depends. I for one think Roe v. Wade was an unconstitutional ruling that made poor legal arguments. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court is the court of last resort and no other body is allowed to offset their abuses so an illegal ruling stands as though it were legal.
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Early term abortions do not involve an acutal baby and I am glad that I live in a country where a woman has a choice on what she can or cannot do to her own body.

Also not to sound sexist? I bet if some males who are so convinced that abortions equals murder had to be the ones that got pregnant? They would change their tunes.
 
Inner voice «Can't differentiate between debate about morality of abortion and holding the nation's federal budget over the abortion issue»

Inner Voice «Must resist irrationality»

 
Henrin said:
It just so happens that if people die on the side of the road I'm not really all that affected, but if I'm forced to keep that person alive I am. Go figure. Your argument is almost moot. People die all the time because they fail in life and sometimes that takes people with them. Am I supposed to be scared of it? Think OMG its so unacceptable!? Really? Why would I think that? Humanity? The liberals idea of helping people? Look I'm all interested in avoiding people from dieing on the side of the road, but its not like its the end of the world or that will cause some kind of horrible disaster if it did. Your post is over reacting to a problem and unwillingness to accept private means of help. Which is fine, but you can't honestly say I have no plan.

You are trying to say the result of my action would cause strain on society, but since these people are hardly involved in society that can't afford life, it is almost not an issue unless someone was paying for them like the government.

Still, what their situation is going to be does not warrant the action taken by the mother, sorry.
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And you are over reacting to a womans right due to your morals. I picture you clutching pearls screaming "What about the FETUS!!??!!" Emm.. Errrr... Meant Babies
 
apdst said:
You could adopt a few of them, for starters.
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I am not the one that wants them to be brought into this world in the first place-so no thanks:)

All the folks screaming to outlaw abortions better be the ones willing to take on that burden as it is not one I am ok to take on. Guess what? If it got bad enough? I mean really bad? All workers who pay taxes may have to end up taking on role of parents to save all these children. Be careful what ya wish for dudes.
 
Kali said:
How will poor women that need/want/chose abortions get them safely if there is no funding for them?
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Pay for them themselves? Oh...oh...I know...take the proper measures to prevent pregnancies. How 'bout those options? Or, you could donate money from your paycheck, every week, to fund those abortions.

Why does money have to come out of my pocket to pay for someone else's irresponsibility?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
You're the one who wants to end abortion. How about YOU adopt a few of them?
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I already have. And, you?

But, that's irrelevant, because I don't want to end abortions. I just don't think that I should pay for someone else's mistakes.
 
apdst said:
I already have. And, you?

But, that's irrelevant, because I don't want to end abortions. I just don't think that I should pay for someone else's mistakes.
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Whoa there. Children are not mistakes. Unless you mean mistakes as in fycking without a condom. Then I'm all with you.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Disagree. They're funding should not be pulled. They should be restricted from using that funding for abortions... this I would support.
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I already have to pay for medicare, medicaid, Obamacare and you want me to pay for ****ing planned parenthood, too?
 
apdst said:
I already have. And, you?

But, that's irrelevant, because I don't want to end abortions. I just don't think that I should pay for someone else's mistakes.
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Well, if you are pro-choice, then my comment does not apply to you.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
Whoa there. Children are not mistakes. Unless you mean mistakes as in fycking without a condom. Then I'm all with you.
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Anyone that get's knocked up, accidentally, made a mistake. They need to deal with it, themselves. If they want to get abortion, fine, I don't oppose that. I just don't think it's right that I should foot the bill.
 
apdst said:
I already have to pay for medicare, medicaid, Obamacare and you want me to pay for ****ing planned parenthood, too?
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Yup. You already do.
 
apdst said:
Pay for them themselves? Oh...oh...I know...take the proper measures to prevent pregnancies. How 'bout those options? Or, you could donate money from your paycheck, every week, to fund those abortions.

Why does money have to come out of my pocket to pay for someone else's irresponsibility?
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Why do you wish to take away a womans right to do whatever she wants to her body? Why do you wish for women to be forced to bring an unwanted child into this world? Instead of worrying about my paycheck? Worry about your own as if what you want happens? You will be paying for these children til they are 18! I would rather my tax dollars go towards a one time fee instead of fees that are gonna last 18 years. READ: 18 YEARS.:roll:
 
apdst said:
Anyone that get's knocked up, accidentally, made a mistake. They need to deal with it, themselves. If they want to get abortion, fine, I don't oppose that. I just don't think it's right that I should foot the bill.
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Guess what, apdst... I AGREE with you.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Well, if you are pro-choice, then my comment does not apply to you.
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I'm pro-choice, but I'm anti-Me-paying-for-it. I have enough of my own bills to pay for. I don't have money left over to pay for someone else's ****.
 
apdst said:
I'm pro-choice, but I'm anti-Me-paying-for-it. I have enough of my own bills to pay for. I don't have money left over to pay for someone else's ****.
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OK. Since I consider abortions, in most cases, elective, I agree with you. Calm down, apdst... I'm on your side of this one.
 
Kali said:
Why do you wish to take away a womans right to do whatever she wants to her body? Why do you wish for women to be forced to bring an unwanted child into this world? Instead of worrying about my paycheck? Worry about your own as if what you want happens?
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Why do you keep insisting that since I don't think I should pick up the tab, that I want to take away a woman's right to do whatever she wants with her body?

You will be paying for these children til they are 18! I would rather my tax dollars go towards a one time fee instead of fees that are gonna last 18 years. READ: 18 YEARS.:roll:
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I didn't breed'em, I shouldn't have to pay through the nose in taxes to feed'em.

There needs to be legislation passed that requires a mother and father--married, or not--to split the cost of raising a child--whatever that amount is determined to be. No more making a parent pay child support based on his, or her reportable income, only. End the child tax credit. Cut welfare, so that a parent has no choice but to get his, or her dead ass and get a job.

Sorry, but it's time for some tough love.
 
Actually apdst, that's one of the reasons I support funding PP, is so that we (pronounced I in this case) don't have to pay out the nose for so many unwanted children.
 
TheBook said:
Actually apdst, that's one of the reasons I support funding PP, is so that we (pronounced I in this case) don't have to pay out the nose for so many unwanted children.
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I would rather see my tax dollars go towards having those ol' girls sterilized.
 
Kali said:
I am glad that I live in a country where a woman has a choice on what she can or cannot do to her own body.
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I guess you live in a country that doesn't have drug laws.



Kali said:
Also not to sound sexist? I bet if some males who are so convinced that abortions equals murder had to be the ones that got pregnant? They would change their tunes.
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There's no doubt that some would change their tunes, and some would change their habits. Some would also change their tunes if you gave them the same parental choice that women have.
 
Kali said:
Why do you wish to take away a womans right to do whatever she wants to her body? Why do you wish for women to be forced to bring an unwanted child into this world? Instead of worrying about my paycheck? Worry about your own as if what you want happens? You will be paying for these children til they are 18! I would rather my tax dollars go towards a one time fee instead of fees that are gonna last 18 years. READ: 18 YEARS.:roll:
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Wow. Kill the kid cause it's not convenient...brilliant.

Here's a question: what if the baby is a woman too? Why doesn't her right to do with her body as she wishes apply?
 
ksu_aviator said:
Wow. Kill the kid cause it's not convenient...brilliant.

Here's a question: what if the baby is a woman too? Why doesn't her right to do with her body as she wishes apply?
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Actually there are more baby girls being killed because many parents want a boy. This is especially so among some Asian communities.

Now there is talk of denying abortion if the reason is gender based but of course the reason shouldn't really matter (abortion on demand) and the correct answer will not be given anyway.

Once abortion becomes commonplace and the value of human life diminished then eugenics, as we have seen, is not far behind. And calling those who are against the killing of little babies "terrorists" demonstrates just how far people will go in defending the idea that human life is unimportant. Perhaps you have to feel the same way about the worthlessness of your own life to advocate the unimportance of other life.
 
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fyi

the president agreed to elimination of funding for washington dc planned parenthood

Budget deal includes D.C. abortion rider, money for school vouchers - D.C. Wire - The Washington Post

also, reid guaranteed (as part of the october blueprint) to allow a stand-alone up-or-down floor vote on national pp

pp is now a front-and-center issue which aint goin away for at least awhile

republicans are gonna talk about the more than a QUARTER BILLION per year the organization costs taxpayers, as well as planned parenthood itself, in all its colorful glory

dems like never-never-never schumer are gonna talk about repugs killing women (louise slaughter), a war on women (pelosi), bombing innocent civilians (eh norton from dc) and the civil war (the rev jackson), it appears

one of the unintended consequences of the one child policy in china which puts a premium on abortion is the pre-snuffs of littluns determined by pre natal screening to be female

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-solis/chinas-one-child-policy-i_b_757252.html

Cases of Forced Abortions Surface in China : NPR

stay up
 
ksu_aviator said:
Wow. Kill the kid cause it's not convenient...brilliant.

Here's a question: what if the baby is a woman too? Why doesn't her right to do with her body as she wishes apply?
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First and second term fetuses are not viable and therefore not alive. You can't 'kill' something that is not alive.

Your hyper-partisan Christian talking points speak is a major fail.
 
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