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Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

today:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has been a man on an island as he negotiates a momentous budget deal to avert a government shutdown.

The Republican he’s worked with for years, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, has stayed on the sidelines. President Barack Obama was disengaged until the last 48 hours. Liberals are carping over the billions in spending cuts, and conservatives in the House have attacked him daily.

Democrats in the Senate have put their blind faith behind him to cut a deal in the secretive talks, meaning the majority leader will have ownership of a plan certain to displease a wide range of senators.

In some respects, Reid has gained more trust from Democrats in the Senate, who are growing increasingly skeptical that Obama has their best interests at heart.

At meeting after meeting, Senate Democrats have berated Obama’s lack of personal intervention in the budget negotiations, senators say, even though White House senior staff has been engaged in talks for weeks and the president has stepped in during the past couple days. But at the same time, they’re concerned the White House has far different objectives that would alienate much of their caucus if the talks were left up to the West Wing and Boehner.

That leaves Reid as their last line of defense between preventing a shutdown and getting their best possible deal — and Democrats say they’re glad the majority leader is in the room, given his long history of horse-trading deals and the trust they have in him to protect their interests.
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Harry Reid stands alone - Manu Raju - POLITICO.com

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Don't know if anyone posted this pone yet... sorry if they did...

Obama Above the Fray, Hill Dems Under the Bus

President Obama is working hard to stay outside of the blast radius if House Republicans and Senate Democrats are unable to cut a deal to keep the government open when current emergency funding expires at midnight Friday.

Congressional Democrats have noticed that in his efforts to avoid blame for what is shaping up as a procedural pileup, the president has increasingly been highlighting their failure to pass, or even put forward, a budget last year.

This week, Obama has mentioned multiple times that the current debate was over an issue that should have been resolved “six months ago.” That was when congressional Democrats opted to operate the government on stopgap measures rather than have a messy budget debate in advance of bruising midterm elections.

An aide to a Democratic House member told Power Play that the president was “being a little unfair.”

“We did everything that was asked of us,” the aide said, referring to the president’s proposals on health care, bank regulations and, in the House, global-warming legislation.

Many congressional Democrats would argue that the reason no budget was produced in 2010 was that the White House agenda was so large and so time-consuming that it didn’t leave time or political will to begin a budget process.
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hey Dems... get the license plate of that bus the Prez just threw you under?

In casting himself as above the fiscal fray and bemoaning the lingering budget problems, Obama is casting implicit blame on his former congressional colleagues.
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Of course he is. Because to accept blame himself, even partly, would hurt his re-election chances.
 
Opinion pieces from FOX news are so persuasive.
 
haymarket said:
Redress; the first time I clicked on your link, I could not get it to load for me. So this duplicates your post in case anyone else has the same problem. It is obvious that this is what is called in politics a "poison pill" which is intended to foilo passage of anything but simply play politics.

http://www.ombwatch.org/files/budget/OMB_Watch-HR1_Policy_Riders.pdf

as you can well see, this has precious little to do with cutting funds from the budget.
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I thought we were talking about the short term bill that will guarantee the troops get paid during a shut down.

That bill does have rider to defund abortions in the district of columbia. It's something that has been defunded before. Why are we paying for abortions anyway???
If Obama vetos for that reason, than I guess killing unborn babies is a higher priority than making sure military wives can feed theirs.
 
Stop with the talking points.....America doesn't WANT Obama's HCR...and NOBODY is "ending" Medicare....geeezus.

Deuce said:
Yes, and the Republicans definitely aren't playing politics with the budget proposals either. (including "bidget" proposals that end medicare and the health care reform bill. no that's definitely not playing politics)
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Mach said:
We were told yesterday we may not be able to get expedited passports for a number of employees if the slow-down occurs, we had to bring this up to international customers. Yay politicians.
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Yep, it's true. When the top bureaucracy doesn't function it trickles all the way down. It's affecting my work as well.
 
Amazed said:
Stop with the talking points.....America doesn't WANT Obama's HCR...and NOBODY is "ending" Medicare....geeezus.
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Holy ****ing irony!
 
pbrauer said:
Speaker Boehner is caught between the old republicans and the tea party members.
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No, he's caught between the Dems and the tea party. The dems are determined to force him to break promises he made. They wanted 100B and they were promised 72hr for bills to be posted online. That's not going to happen.
 
danarhea said:
I strongly disagree. I find it irresponsible not to put America first.
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That's exactly what the riders do. We have to get back on track and defunding Obamacare is a big part of that process.
 
Barbbtx said:
That's exactly what the riders do. We have to get back on track and defunding Obamacare is a big part of that process.
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You are not going to defund the health care reform. You are not going to defund PP. You are not going to defund the EPA. Those things will not pass, the republicans knew they would not pass. Without a 2/3 majority in both houses, you cannot pass whatever you want. Furthermore, saying that defunding health care reform is part of the process of cutting spending ignores that health care costs are rising faster than inflation and ignores that most of the spending was payed for by cuts. It was roughly deficit neutral with the reality being it would add small amounts to the deficit.

If republicans want to control spending, they will actually work to come up with a bill that will get passed. If they do not do that, they are not serious about cutting spending. What they are doing, along with the democrats, is playing a game, seeing who gets hurt the most politically.
 
pbrauer said:
Why not take the money from the bloated defence budget?
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I thought that was Obama's department. That's something he won't have a hard time doing, unlike his love affair with abortions.



Obama praises defense cuts; GOP criticizes them hours later - CNN
One of the most sustained applauses during President Barack Obama's speech Tuesday night was in response to the need to cut back government spending.
But he got a tepid smattering of applause when he held up cuts proposed by the Department of Defense as a prime example.
"The secretary of defense has also agreed to cut tens of billions of dollars in spending that he and his generals believe our military can do without," Obama said in his State of the Union address.
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Whovian said:
the fact it is an opinion piece from FOX somehow negates the comments by the Democrats and by Obama himself? I see.
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politico today reported essentially the same thing

link above
 
ptif219 said:
This shows that Obama and the democrats are playing politics and care nothing about the people of this country

Obama vows to veto short-term bill - Washington Times

The White House has vowed to veto the short-term spending bill House Republicans will vote on this afternoon, taking away the safety net that could have given both sides another week to avert a government shutdown.

Without a short-term extension, the options would be narrowed to either a broad successful deal or a shutdown as of midnight Friday.

“If presented with this bill, the president will veto it,” the White House said in an official statement of policy.
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Let's not be disingenuous. We have are elected officials for that. You know why the President intends to veto the bill. The Regressives are trying to use the crisis to ram through their social agenda. It is not about extension, its about their ideology.
 
Geez, getting Dems to agree to cut spending is like pulling teeth. Mention spending of any kind and they are all for it.
House budget bill: House passes measure with $12 billion in cuts - latimes.com
Though there is broad agreement on the terms of the defense authorization bill, Democrats object to $12 billion in budget cuts that the measure calls for in the seven-day extension of funding for other areas of the government. House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) called instead for a one-week extension at existing spending levels.
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The Prof said:
cbo, jan 7, 2011, on the eve of the passage of hr2, repeal: obamacare relies upon more than THREE QUARTERS OF A TRILLION in new revenues

Director's Blog » Blog Archive » Additional Information on CBO’s Preliminary Analysis of H.R. 2
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From that CBO report:

As a result of changes in direct spending and revenues, CBO expects that enacting H.R. 2 would probably increase federal budget deficits over the 2012–2019 period by a total of roughly $145 billion, plus or minus the effects of technical and economic changes that CBO and JCT will include in the forthcoming estimate.
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HR 2 is the amusingly named "Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act". So that is right, with HR2, the second bill passed by the house, they want to increase the deficit by more than they insist on cutting the deficit in this budget battle.
 
ptif219 said:
This is all because the democrats did not act before the elections. That shows it is all politics and this all falls on the democrats lack of action and negotiations.
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It's not all one party's fault... reading posts like your's just reminds me how f***ed this country is...
 
Boo Radley said:
Yes, they should have acted and done their jobs. And yes, both sides are playing politics and have been all along. And it might well be reasonable for Obama to say enough, reach an agreement. That would be reasonable.
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They were meeting all day on this budget too, and will tomorrow... Why the **** won't the GOP just take the riders out?

I don't understand... what's the risk of taking them out? Does Boehner think he'll look weak, if they are removed?

Who wants a shutdown???
 
SheWolf said:
They were meeting all day on this budget too, and will tomorrow... Why the **** won't the GOP just take the riders out?

I don't understand... what's the risk of taking them out? Does Boehner think he'll look weak, if they are removed?

Who wants a shutdown???
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You don't know that the only thing holding this up is the riders. No one knows what is really being discussed. I doubt that there would be a shutdown over the riders.
 
washunut said:
You don't know that the only thing holding this up is the riders. No one knows what is really being discussed. I doubt that there would be a shutdown over the riders.
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It might not be the only thing holding it up, but if the GOP took them out, they'd look like they were trying compromise more than the Dems..
 
Neither side wants to cave in and appear weak to their constituents, both sides are betting that the other side will take the blame for the shutdown from the people.
The GOP keeps putting forth proposals that they know the democrats will not agree too and they know they cant get it passed just having the house...the democrats wont budge because they know it cant pass without them...sigh
 
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