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Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

1. hr1, the republican house budget, was passed MONTHS AGO

2. the senate since has done SQUAT

3. the president, however, has---he put forth his 2012 budget in february which RAISES the deficit TWENTY PERCENT over awful '11

4. the house BUDGET CHAIR is now on record---four to six TRILLION dollars in CUTS

who's leading?

who's dithering?

who's punting?

who's responsible?

stay up
 
As best I can figure out, there are no riders nor amendments on the extension bill. However, it actually raises the pentagon budget. You are correct in the rider on the budget compromise negotiations, and yes it is a bull**** move by republicans. In fact, this whole negotiation thing is bull****, and right now it is about two sides who are looking to score points at any cost, and not about solving any problems. Congress and the white house are right now totally and entirely failing the America people and I am pissed.

The situation isn't the White House vs. Congress. Rather, it's

The White House vs. {[(Tea Party House Republicans vs. Moderate House Republicans) vs. Progressive House Democrats] vs. [(Senate Democrats - supermajority) vs. (Senate Republicans - <filibuster for budget bills / Byrd Rule>)]}
 
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As best I can figure out, there are no riders nor amendments on the extension bill. However, it actually raises the pentagon budget. You are correct in the rider on the budget compromise negotiations, and yes it is a bull**** move by republicans. In fact, this whole negotiation thing is bull****, and right now it is about two sides who are looking to score points at any cost, and not about solving any problems. Congress and the white house are right now totally and entirely failing the America people and I am pissed.

I believe this one had a rider banning federal funds or dc funds going to abortions
 
I believe this one had a rider banning federal funds or dc funds going to abortions

AS best I could find out, that is on the compromise 6 month extension, not on this. I could be wrong, but could not find it on Thomas on this bill.
 
I believe this one had a rider banning federal funds or dc funds going to abortions

yes you're right.

However, it looks like Obama has a choice. Agree to more cuts or accept riders. I think we all know Obama would never agree to defunding abortions. That leaves him with agreeing to more cuts. If not, he will be to blame for the shut down.

Obama vows to veto short-term bill - Washington Times
The House bill would extend the shutdown deadline by another week, to April 15, while funding defense needs for the rest of this year so that troops’ paychecks would not be endangered by a shutdown.
Republicans have argued that Democrats need either to accept more cuts or to accept some of those policy riders.
 
Barb's source says the rider is on the 1 week extension, so I withdraw my objection to Obama not signing it. Unlike Barb, I don't think it is Obama's fault for not signing a bill with an unrelated rider attached that is only there to make sure he does not sign the bill.
 
Here is the problem I have. Nobody is compromising. Democrats control the Senate and the Presidency. Republicans have the House. House Republicans are saying "My way or the highway". They may have won big in 2010, but seems to me that, until they also control the Senate and / or Presidency, they are in no position to hold the government hostage by making unreasonable demands. This most likely will backfire on them worse than it did when Gingrich also engineered a shut down during Clinton's administration. What makes me even madder is the Democrats knowing this, and willing to let the government shut down, in order to leverage it to increase their own political power. Congresscritters are scum bags. I don't care if they have a D or an R after their name. They are all scum bags.
 
This shows that Obama and the democrats are playing politics and care nothing about the people of this country

Obama vows to veto short-term bill - Washington Times

The White House has vowed to veto the short-term spending bill House Republicans will vote on this afternoon, taking away the safety net that could have given both sides another week to avert a government shutdown.

Without a short-term extension, the options would be narrowed to either a broad successful deal or a shutdown as of midnight Friday.

“If presented with this bill, the president will veto it,” the White House said in an official statement of policy.

My God I think I actually agree with Obama on something!!!! Is the sky falling?

We need long term resolutions...not bandaid crap that has been the staple for both sides for the past decade at the very least.
 
This is a good power play.
 
Here is the problem I have. Nobody is compromising. Democrats control the Senate and the Presidency. Republicans have the House. House Republicans are saying "My way or the highway". They may have won big in 2010, but seems to me that, until they also control the Senate and / or Presidency, they are in no position to hold the government hostage by making unreasonable demands. This most likely will backfire on them worse than it did when Gingrich also engineered a shut down during Clinton's administration. What makes me even madder is the Democrats knowing this, and willing to let the government shut down, in order to leverage it to increase their own political power. Congresscritters are scum bags. I don't care if they have a D or an R after their name. They are all scum bags.

Give it time. This is a large battle.
 
Here is the problem I have. Nobody is compromising. Democrats control the Senate and the Presidency. Republicans have the House. House Republicans are saying "My way or the highway". They may have won big in 2010, but seems to me that, until they also control the Senate and / or Presidency, they are in no position to hold the government hostage by making unreasonable demands. This most likely will backfire on them worse than it did when Gingrich also engineered a shut down during Clinton's administration. What makes me even madder is the Democrats knowing this, and willing to let the government shut down, in order to leverage it to increase their own political power. Congresscritters are scum bags. I don't care if they have a D or an R after their name. They are all scum bags.

At least the Reps didn't put on their running shoes and leave town. ;)
 
Here is the problem I have. Nobody is compromising. Democrats control the Senate and the Presidency. Republicans have the House. House Republicans are saying "My way or the highway". They may have won big in 2010, but seems to me that, until they also control the Senate and / or Presidency, they are in no position to hold the government hostage by making unreasonable demands.



My way or the highway, came straight out of Steny Hoyer's mouth tonight on Special Report. Also, what the hell is unreasonable about cutting 70 billion from 1.5 trillion? Now don't give me the Obama line about demo's agreeing to that either, if they were honest at all, agreeing to not spend some 30 billion is not cutting anything.


j-mac
 
I just looked up the riders on HR 1. It has zero chance of ever getting through the senate or signed with these riders, and it was asinine to put them there.

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Sec. 1516. None of the funds made available by this division may be used by the Internal Revenue Service to implement or enforce any amendment made to section 6041 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 by section 9006 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Public Law 111-148).

Sec. 4013. None of the funds made available by this Act may be made available for any purpose to Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc. or any of the following affiliates of Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc.

Sec. 4017. None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to carry out the provisions of Public Law 111-152, or any amendment made by either such Public Law.(this is the health care reform bill passed last year)

Sec. 1112. Notwithstanding section 1101, none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available in this division or any other Act (including division A of this Act) may be used to transfer, release, or assist in the transfer or release to or within the United States, its territories, or possessions Khalid Sheikh Mohammed or any other detainee who--

(1) is not a United States citizen or a member of the Armed Forces of the United States; and

(2) is or was held on or after June 24, 2009, at the United States Naval Station, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, by the Department of Defense.

That none of the funds in this division may be used for any recruiting or hiring of personnel into the Transportation Security Administration that would cause the agency to exceed a staffing level of 46,000 full-time equivalent screeners(LoLz)

Sec. 4006. None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to implement the Report and Order of the Federal Communications Commission relating to the matter of preserving the open Internet and broadband industry practices (FCC 10-201, adopted by the Commission on December 21, 2010).(no net neutrality)

Sec. 4009. None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to pay the salaries and expenses for the following positions and their offices:

(1) Director, White House Office of Health Reform.

(2) Assistant to the President for Energy and Climate Change.

(3) Special Envoy for Climate Change.

(4) Special Advisor for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation, Council on Environmental Quality.

(5) Senior Advisor to the Secretary of the Treasury assigned to the Presidential Task Force on the Auto Industry and Senior Counselor for Manufacturing Policy.

(6) White House Director of Urban Affairs.

(7) Special Envoy to oversee the closure of the Detention Center at Guantanamo Bay.

(8) Special Master for TARP Executive Compensation, Department of the Treasury.

(9) Associate General Counsel and Chief Diversity Officer, Federal Communications Commission.

In other words, HR 1 is bull****.

Edit: note that this is about 5 % of the total riders.
 
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Here is the problem I have. Nobody is compromising. Democrats control the Senate and the Presidency. Republicans have the House. House Republicans are saying "My way or the highway". They may have won big in 2010, but seems to me that, until they also control the Senate and / or Presidency, they are in no position to hold the government hostage by making unreasonable demands. This most likely will backfire on them worse than it did when Gingrich also engineered a shut down during Clinton's administration. What makes me even madder is the Democrats knowing this, and willing to let the government shut down, in order to leverage it to increase their own political power. Congresscritters are scum bags. I don't care if they have a D or an R after their name. They are all scum bags.

Why would you NOT consider politics when making long-term budget decisions? If the Democrats lose funding for their promises like healthcare, then they're screwed. If Democrats get funding for promises like healthcare, then Republicans are screwed for missing an opportunity to do what they promised.

Long-term budgets determine which policies succeed and fail - it would irresponsible to not "play politics" in making this decision.
 
Here is the problem I have. Nobody is compromising. Democrats control the Senate and the Presidency. Republicans have the House. House Republicans are saying "My way or the highway". They may have won big in 2010, but seems to me that, until they also control the Senate and / or Presidency, they are in no position to hold the government hostage by making unreasonable demands. This most likely will backfire on them worse than it did when Gingrich also engineered a shut down during Clinton's administration. What makes me even madder is the Democrats knowing this, and willing to let the government shut down, in order to leverage it to increase their own political power. Congresscritters are scum bags. I don't care if they have a D or an R after their name. They are all scum bags.
Speaker Boehner is caught between the old republicans and the tea party members.
 
Redress; the first time I clicked on your link, I could not get it to load for me. So this duplicates your post in case anyone else has the same problem. It is obvious that this is what is called in politics a "poison pill" which is intended to foilo passage of anything but simply play politics.

http://www.ombwatch.org/files/budget/OMB_Watch-HR1_Policy_Riders.pdf

as you can well see, this has precious little to do with cutting funds from the budget.
 
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Why would you NOT consider politics when making long-term budget decisions? If the Democrats lose funding for their promises like healthcare, then they're screwed. If Democrats get funding for promises like healthcare, then Republicans are screwed for missing an opportunity to do what they promised.

Long-term budgets determine which policies succeed and fail - it would irresponsible to not "play politics" in making this decision.

I strongly disagree. I find it irresponsible not to put America first.
 
My way or the highway, came straight out of Steny Hoyer's mouth tonight on Special Report. Also, what the hell is unreasonable about cutting 70 billion from 1.5 trillion? Now don't give me the Obama line about demo's agreeing to that either, if they were honest at all, agreeing to not spend some 30 billion is not cutting anything.


j-mac
Why not take the money from the bloated defence budget?
 
I strongly disagree. I find it irresponsible not to put America first.

That is what pisses me off. If they wanted to, both sides could have reached a compromise. How hard is it to take two numbers, add them together, divide by 2 and say look, a compromise?
 
I strongly disagree. I find it irresponsible not to put America first.

Yes, but in most ways I'd say, both parties think that they are putting America first. For example, the Democrats think that their Healthcare plan is good for America and yet the Republicans have not yet budged on pretty much defunding it entirely in their proposal. By getting rid of healthcare funding in a long-term budget proposal, the Dems have to give a way a fundamental aspect of their plan for doing what they think is best for the U.S.. The Republicans feel the same way about their provisions.

It's the same general problem that we always face - both have different ideas of what the United States needs.
 
That is what pisses me off. If they wanted to, both sides could have reached a compromise. How hard is it to take two numbers, add them together, divide by 2 and say look, a compromise?

That is 100% spot on. But the extensive list of GOP policy riders make it clear and without any doubt that much of this is NOT about budgets or saving money. Its about politics and shutting down the government because they believe it somehow advances a particular political agenda as they mistakenly believed two decades ago.
 
the cr which passed boehner's house this morning doesn't touch obamacare

Though there is broad agreement on the terms of the defense authorization bill, Democrats object to $12 billion in budget cuts that the measure calls for in the seven-day extension of funding for other areas of the government. House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) called instead for a one-week extension at existing spending levels.

House budget bill: House passes measure with $12 billion in cuts - latimes.com

the highest profile riders contained in the cr concern mountain top mining (targeting jay rockefeller and joe manchin), dc abortion funding and dc vouchers

Senate Dems craft short-term stopgap - On Congress - POLITICO.com

the president has threatened to VETO it

i wouldn't be so sure, tho, the challenged chief exec changes his mind an awful lot

anyway, if the dems want to kill it, let em

it's certainly their prerogative

meanwhile, try to maintain your dignity

or we'll getcha on civility too

take care
 
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