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Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

Who is President Obama's "entire constituency"?

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You is in Obama's entire constituency if you voted for him partially based on universal healthcare. You ain't if you didn't.
 
You is in Obama's entire constituency if you voted for him partially based on universal healthcare. You ain't if you didn't.

So...if I didn't...but I am a US citizen.....The President of the United States of America does not represent me??
 
They are reporting on TV that it looks like a deal may be close,with the number being 38 B. The deal is not done, but optimism is higher.
 
And even newer news: possible three day extension with no riders might get pushed through, but it is unclear if there is enough time to get it done.
 
What tax increases? Obama is more concerned about special interests than he is a balanced budget or the deficit

The minor tax increases republicans won't let happen. remeber, the republican answer to nearly anythign is a tax cut. ;)
 
That doesn't really matter. You can't expect them to want to fund things they are ideologically opposed too. Either way, what the GOP is doing now or not is irrelevant to the fact that the Democrats have quite simply screwed the pooch so badly that we are in this mess now. You can hardly blame the GOP for getting here.

I believe you place blame where ever it is earned. Yes, democrats earned blame for not doing when they should have. Criticise them all you want. But that does not excuse republicans for their actions now. And the ideaological battle should be fought elsewhere. This should be about the budget. So, yes, I do blame republicans for picking the wrong fight at the wrong time. I suspect I won't be alone.
 
So...if I didn't...but I am a US citizen.....The President of the United States of America does not represent me??

I neither said nor implied that. However, I did clarify that Obama and the Democrats aren't just "caring about" (in ptif's words) their "special interest groups", they are "caring about" their entire constituency - the majority of whom want funding for the healthcare plan that Republicans are trying to deny.

For your specific point - of course the President of the United States represents you - he represents you by doing what he perceives is best for you and your country - and what he perceives is best for you and this country happen to be the things that his voters (his constituency) elected him to do.
 
They are reporting on TV that it looks like a deal may be close,with the number being 38 B. The deal is not done, but optimism is higher.

I honestly would only notice a government shutdown in that I wouldn't get junk mail. :)

Oh and if there was a shutdown government workers would still get paid at a later time. They would just be told to go home for the moment. Aka, a vacation.
 
I believe you place blame where ever it is earned. Yes, democrats earned blame for not doing when they should have. Criticise them all you want. But that does not excuse republicans for their actions now. And the ideaological battle should be fought elsewhere. This should be about the budget. So, yes, I do blame republicans for picking the wrong fight at the wrong time. I suspect I won't be alone.

Oh no it does excuse them. The Democrats created the situation we are in...there is no other way to look at it. THEY CREATED THIS.
 
Oh no it does excuse them. The Democrats created the situation we are in...there is no other way to look at it. THEY CREATED THIS.

Please explain.
 
I neither said nor implied that. However, I did clarify that Obama and the Democrats aren't just "caring about" (in ptif's words) their "special interest groups", they are "caring about" their entire constituency - the majority of whom want funding for the healthcare plan that Republicans are trying to deny.

And you said that if you voted for him....then you're in his constituency. (Implied?)

For your specific point - of course the President of the United States represents you - he represents you by doing what he perceives is best for you and your country - and what he perceives is best for you and this country happen to be the things that his voters (his constituency) elected him to do.

Ok, what are those things and how is he doing them? The truth be told though....he works for Americans. He is in their employ and he is to do what they want......all of them...not just the ones that voted for him.
 
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Please explain.

They spent an entire year failing to pass a budget. This was before the GOP took majority in the house. This budget should have been done in September 2010. A full 2 (actually 3) months before the GOP came into play on the issue. Blame is most definately with the democrats.
 
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Please explain.

Wait...are you serious? You really dont KNOW that this is the 2011 budget that was SUPPOSED to have been passed in 2010 by the democrat controlled congress??? :shock:
 
And you said that if you voted for him....then you're in his constituency. (Implied?)
I actually said - "You is in Obama's entire constituency if you voted for him partially based on universal healthcare." (qualifier) Nonetheless, I do believe that anybody who voted for him is in his constituency - the majority of whom want funding for the healthcare plan.

Ok, what are those things and how is he doing them? The truth be told though....he works for Americans. He is in their employ and he is to do what they want......all of them...not just the ones that voted for him.
Well - specific to the budget - Obama and the Democrats negotiating it are protecting funding for the programs that they perceive as most important to the country, the main ones being healthcare, planned parenthood, the EPA, etc.

I agree he works for all Americans. This, however, does not mean that he is to "do what they want". He is to do what he was elected to do while simultaneously working for the welfare of every citizen. If every president was to "do what they want...all of them", then we wouldn't need to have elections and nothing would ever get done. One can't both defund Planned Parenthood and fund it.
 
They spent an entire year failing to pass a budget. This was before the GOP took majority in the house. This budget should have been done in September 2010. A full 2 (actually 3) months before the GOP came into play on the issue. Blame is most definately with the democrats.

Oh okay. I agree with that assessment. I thought you meant that the Democrats were solely responsible for what's happening right now, as in the Republicans aren't playing politics at all in current negotiations. My mistake.
 
Wait...are you serious? You really dont KNOW that this is the 2011 budget that was SUPPOSED to have been passed in 2010 by the democrat controlled congress??? :shock:

Calm down. I misunderstood mac's argument. :coffeepap
 
I actually said - "You is in Obama's entire constituency if you voted for him partially based on universal healthcare." (qualifier) Nonetheless, I do believe that anybody who voted for him is in his constituency - the majority of whom want funding for the healthcare plan.

Well, no offense....which you'll take anyway...but this is completely assenine and is indicitive of what's wrong with our country. He's the President of the United States. Not the President of the Democrats.


Well - specific to the budget - Obama and the Democrats negotiating it are protecting funding for the programs that they perceive as most important to the country, the main ones being healthcare, planned parenthood, the EPA, etc.

So only the funding that Democrats think is important....does it matter much the several hundred thousand underpaid Americans will go without a check and have no savings to rely on to feed their families? Is this not important to democrats?

I agree he works for all Americans. This, however, does not mean that he is to "do what they want". He is to do what he was elected to do while simultaneously working for the welfare of every citizen. If every president was to "do what they want...all of them", then we wouldn't need to have elections and nothing would ever get done. One can't both defund Planned Parenthood and fund it.

See above.
 
Oh okay. I agree with that assessment. I thought you meant that the Democrats were solely responsible for what's happening right now, as in the Republicans aren't playing politics at all in current negotiations. My mistake.

The republicans were left to do the job the democrats failed dismally at. Its foolishness to think the republicans are going to federally fund abortions via Planned Parenthood. If this issue really mattered to democrats they should have done their job. If it pisses off liberals that they wont get their pet projects funded then they ought to raise hell with Pelosi, Reid, and all the rest of the democrat scumbags that couldnt even put together a budget proposal.
 
Calm down. I misunderstood mac's argument. :coffeepap

Misunderstanding is fine. I think there actually are a lot of mindless folk out there that really do believe this is the republicans undoing something and not simply the republicans left to do a job the democrats refused to do.
 
Misunderstanding is fine. I think there actually are a lot of mindless folk out there that really do believe this is the republicans undoing something and not simply the republicans left to do a job the democrats refused to do.

I think it's entirely overlooked that the Democrats simply refused to do their Jobs in this instance.
 
I think it's entirely overlooked that the Democrats simply refused to do their Jobs in this instance.

Ive heard people suggest it was planned...which is silly. I think their complete lack of leadership is why they didnt pass a budget since 2009, is what cost them the house, and will cost them the senate in 2012.

We are still talking percentages of a penny on the dollar when compared to the total budget. I dont think these spending cuts do enough. They dont need a partial shutdown of the fed for a day or two...they need a TOTAL shutdown of much of the fed and serious cuts across the board.
 
And even newer news: possible three day extension with no riders might get pushed through, but it is unclear if there is enough time to get it done.

Hopefully, a "clean" extension would be agreed.

IMO, the process entails risks. It is clear that the situation hit a "red line" for the Democrats, namely Title X. Were the Democrats to capitulate on that issue, that outcome would tempt those who felt they prevailed, not so much Speaker Boehner and more pragmatic Republicans, but select social conservatives and Tea Party-affiliated members to try to exploit the debt ceiling issue for additional gains. A standoff on the debt ceiling would have the potential to trigger a far broader crisis. In addition, those who lost the struggle to save Title X funding would have a need to try to rebuild strength or perceptions of strength. To do so, they would likely take more rigid stances than would otherwise be the case. That kind of atmosphere would not be helpful when it comes to dealing with the debt ceiling and then FY 2012 budget. Prospects for a crisis would increase and prospects for meaningful fiscal consolidation would be eroded.

Compromise that sets aside the attempt to target Title X would strengthen the hand of more pragmatic members. In doing so, Democrats will need to be careful not to humiliate Speaker Boehner, who almost certainly will face behind-the-scenes criticism from certain social conservatives and Tea Party-affiliated members. Otherwise, his incentives for running risks against more intransigent members, risks that are necessary to build a broader bipartisan coalition would be undermined. He may well need to forge such a coalition going forward to neuter revolutionaries who might try to block a debt ceiling increase or compromises for fiscal consolidation that run counter to their ideological priorities. In short, a compromise outcome that reduces spending but preserves Title X should be framed as a shared victory for responsible bipartisan governance. That outcome would likely increase prospects for the much larger tradeoffs from both sides of the aisle that will be necessary to achieve meaningful fiscal consolidation (FY 2012 budget and debt ceiling issue).
 
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Well, no offense....which you'll take anyway...but this is completely assenine and is indicitive of what's wrong with our country. He's the President of the United States. Not the President of the Democrats.
So what you're saying is that Presidents should not keep their campaign promises?

So only the funding that Democrats think is important....
Nope. I didn't say that or imply it. I think that the things I highlighted (healthcare, planned parenthood, EPA) benefit the United States and do not need to be sacrificed. I also believe in compromise - which funnily enough, the healthcare bill itself actually is.

does it matter much the several hundred thousand underpaid Americans will go without a check and have no savings to rely on to feed their families? Is this not important to democrats?
If I had argued that the shutting down the government was a good thing, then this comment would be relevant. Unfortunately, I didn't, so its not. Find someone who is actually making that imaginary argument and argue with them.
 
The republicans were left to do the job the democrats failed dismally at. Its foolishness to think the republicans are going to federally fund abortions via Planned Parenthood. If this issue really mattered to democrats they should have done their job. If it pisses off liberals that they wont get their pet projects funded then they ought to raise hell with Pelosi, Reid, and all the rest of the democrat scumbags that couldnt even put together a budget proposal.

Eh...I have a feeling they'll get funded. I wouldn't consider Democrats any more scumbaggy than Republicans. I have not come to expect particularly honorable behavior from either side. Nonetheless, I think a lot of Democrats do criticize Pelosi, Reid, etc. for many reasons - we usually tend to do it with other Democrats and not Republicans who often seem to look for an opportunity to insult our beliefs. (I'm not saying this is you specifically).
 
Eh...I have a feeling they'll get funded. I wouldn't consider Democrats any more scumbaggy than Republicans. I have not come to expect particularly honorable behavior from either side. Nonetheless, I think a lot of Democrats do criticize Pelosi, Reid, etc. for many reasons - we usually tend to do it with other Democrats and not Republicans who often seem to look for an opportunity to insult our beliefs. (I'm not saying this is you specifically).

Id like to meet the group of democrats you are talking about that are more prone to criticize dems than republicans. I personally cant see how anyone can associate themselves with either party...the party's are not invested in the people they are invested in power. They do and say whatever is best to get themselves reelected and not what is good for the country.
 
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