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Obama vows to veto short-term bill(edited)

ptif219 said:
Obama as always is protecting his special interest groups
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And he's alone in that? No republcian has a special interest group it protects? How are those tax increases coming?
 
Boo Radley said:
And he's alone in that? No republcian has a special interest group it protects? How are those tax increases coming?
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You are correct that all politicians preen for their base. What boxes Obama in a bit is his " Change you can Believe in". Not blaming him for being human afterall, but wonder how that will impact him in 2012 with all those folks that thought he walked on water.
 
Zyphlin said:
Gotta agree. This one is nothing but a political stunt on the part of the republicans by putting in riders they knew wouldnt fly with the democrats. I do think democrats are playing politics during this, but this particular one is more the republicans. Twice as much money and riders about abortion....they passed it knowing full well dems would veto and passed it banking on that.
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Why didn't they pass a budget in September 2010 like they were supposed to and before the GOP took the house?

This budget fiasco is without a doubt the fault of democrats.
 
washunut said:
You are correct that all politicians preen for their base. What boxes Obama in a bit is his " Change you can Believe in". Not blaming him for being human afterall, but wonder how that will impact him in 2012 with all those folks that thought he walked on water.
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I think there were fewer of those than advertised by his opponents. I think a good number just saw him as a better choice.
 
Deuce said:
There wasn't a threat of shutdown until the GOP got involved...
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There isnt a "threat to shut down the government." There is a lack of a passed budget because the democrat leadership in the house and senate have failed to pass an operating budget since 2009. The democrats failed to even put together a budget proposal, even with massive majorities in both houses. They failed Deuce. The democrats didnt do their job and now people like you are whining about what the Republicans arent doing? Come on, baby...show me your war face. Where is your outrage that the 2010 congress failed to pass a budget and fund those spending programs you are so fond of?
 
Deuce said:
There wasn't a threat of shutdown until the GOP got involved...
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False. The budget should have been passed before they were even able to "be involved".
 
mac said:
False. The budget should have been passed before they were even able to "be involved".
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While I agree there should have been a budget passed before, and that democrats failed to do their job, that is not equal to their being no current threat. Republicans are not working to compromise and much of their objections seem to be idealogical and not concerning finanaces.
 
Boo Radley said:
I think there were fewer of those than advertised by his opponents. I think a good number just saw him as a better choice.
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I am pretty sure you are wrong on this point. There was a surge in young voters in 2008 due to the Obama swoon. I wonder how many of those college kids or slightly older still think that he is above politics, not just another hack politician.

Of course a lot will depend who the repblicans put up. If it is one of their fringe candidates, then all bets are off.
 
ptif219 said:
The White House has vowed to veto the short-term spending bill House Republicans will vote on this afternoon, taking away the safety net that could have given both sides another week to avert a government shutdown.
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How about instead of wasting time asking for more time to waste, they use the time given (which has been weeks to months) to actually do their ****ing jobs. I know it is a novel approach to actually expect our Washington children to earn their salaries by not betraying the very people that wasted their votes on them, but I'm thinking positive.
 
haymarket said:
Anybody who tries to sell that absurdity to the American public will be left high and dry appealing only to the True Believers who even themselves know the fraud of it.
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yes. because the optics of the President vetoing a bill that would have paid troops sacrificing in the field and then going on vacation aren't atrocious. because it's not the President's MO to go on vacation when something serious is going down (invading lybia? yeah yeah, whatver, i'm headed to South America).

the logic is reversed. only those who have an ideological commitment to defending whatever the President does will publicly defend this move, and probably many of them will feel privately queasy about it, which is why we are now seeing Democrat complaints about a lack of leadership.

Explain why the House GOP rejected a clean bill yesterday which would pay the troops without all the other crap attached to it if they are so patriotic and bleed red white and blue?
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they'd already passed a bill to fund the troops. "all that other crap" you mention is simply part of the CR to keep the government running while budget negotiations continue.
 
washunut said:
I am pretty sure you are wrong on this point. There was a surge in young voters in 2008 due to the Obama swoon. I wonder how many of those college kids or slightly older still think that he is above politics, not just another hack politician.
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given their higher rates; i wonder how many of them are now unemployed.
 
washunut said:
I am pretty sure you are wrong on this point. There was a surge in young voters in 2008 due to the Obama swoon. I wonder how many of those college kids or slightly older still think that he is above politics, not just another hack politician.

Of course a lot will depend who the repblicans put up. If it is one of their fringe candidates, then all bets are off.
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I'm sure there is a tendency for young people to be overly idealistic, regardless of party. But I don't think they consititute a majority of voters.

And I do agree that Obama's chances will largely depend on who he faces.
 
cpwill said:
given their higher rates; i wonder how many of them are now unemployed.
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Many were already unemployed. The econmy was going south before Obama.
 
Boo Radley said:
And he's alone in that? No republcian has a special interest group it protects? How are those tax increases coming?
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I think that's the point of the average citizen anymore. Instead of defending your guy while criticizing the other's guy for the same thing, **** both of them? Transcend the flock Padawan.
 
Boo Radley said:
Many were already unemployed. The econmy was going south before Obama.
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college kids? rather by definition they're not unemployed. how many voted for Obama in 2008 that have since gone into the workforce and been unable to find a job... or unable to find a decent job.... or forced to move back in with their parents...

the Obama economy has not been good to these kids. I'm thinking they don't come out in 2012 in the same numbers they did in 2008.
 
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cpwill said:
college kids? rather by definition they're not unemployed. how many voted for Obama in 2008 that have since gone into the workforce and been unable to find a job... or unable to find a decent job.... or forced to move back in with their parents...

the Obama economy has not been good to these kids. I'm thinking they don't come out in 2012 in the same numbers they did in 2008.
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They may not come in the same numbers. However, the economy wasn't good to them before they came out the first time. It is really likely that Obama did keep the economy from being worse. Much of what went wrong went wrong long before Obama was elected.

In fact, as I keep saying, no presindet controls the economy. It's a fools game to ever blame or credit the president. But if you are going to do so, it ahs to be done so across the baord, with some link to actual action taken or not taken.
 
MSgt said:
I think that's the point of the average citizen anymore. Instead of defending your guy while criticizing the other's guy for the same thing, **** both of them? Transcend the flock Padawan.
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Yes, both sides are too idealogical and beholden to special interest groups. Until that changes, and it is a change that only be forced, it is fool hardy to only blame one party while ignoring the other.
 
Boo Radley said:
And he's alone in that? No republcian has a special interest group it protects? How are those tax increases coming?
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What tax increases? Obama is more concerned about special interests than he is a balanced budget or the deficit
 
MSgt said:
How about instead of wasting time asking for more time to waste, they use the time given (which has been weeks to months) to actually do their ****ing jobs. I know it is a novel approach to actually expect our Washington children to earn their salaries by not betraying the very people that wasted their votes on them, but I'm thinking positive.
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The problem is Obama and the democrats care more about their special interests than they do government workers and the military
 
ptif219 said:
The problem is Obama and the democrats care more about their special interests than they do government workers and the military
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If by "special interests" you mean his entire constituency who support the healthcare funding that Republicans are trying to axe...
 
cpwill said:
it's actually entitled the Troop Support Bill.


I'm thinking that's going to play well in 2012. Obama threatens to veto the Troop Support Bill, stopping our soldiers in the field from getting paid, and then went on vacation to Williamsburg.
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Which is exactly the problem here. The GOP isn't all teary-eyed wishing those meany dems wouldn't hurt our troops, they're doing this because it will look bad in 2012 when Obama vetos the "Troops Support Bill*"

*Also repeal of Obamacare, elimination of funding for planned parenthood, bill of atainder dealing with KSM, eliminates some environmental protections...
 
big picture:

1. if you wanna VETO boehner's cr over PLANNED PARENTHOOD, by all means, go for it---hey, we're not funding abortion, we're just giving money to PP

2. most mature americans recognize that major reform of medicare is urgently necessary---obama already did, it's called OBAMACARE

3. why did the party, with the white house, 59 senators and a plurality of 78 downstairs, fail to pass a budget for this year

4. why has the senate done SQUAT since the gop house passed hr1 in FEBRUARY

5. obama's vaunted DEBT COMMISSION recommends major restructuring of entitlements TODAY before it's too late---why is the president's 2012 budget too scared to TOUCH em

6. leadership, anyone?
 
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Boo Radley said:
While I agree there should have been a budget passed before, and that democrats failed to do their job, that is not equal to their being no current threat. Republicans are not working to compromise and much of their objections seem to be idealogical and not concerning finanaces.
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That doesn't really matter. You can't expect them to want to fund things they are ideologically opposed too. Either way, what the GOP is doing now or not is irrelevant to the fact that the Democrats have quite simply screwed the pooch so badly that we are in this mess now. You can hardly blame the GOP for getting here.
 
theplaydrive said:
If by "special interests" you mean his entire constituency who support the healthcare funding that Republicans are trying to axe...
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Who is President Obama's "entire constituency"?

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