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Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

Whovian said:
really? Those two issues are indicative of the political leanings of the nation as a whole?

Why then was there a single conservative vote? Ever? I mean, if the whole nation favors liberals issue by issue.

:mad: your partisan hackery.
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pbrauer said:
Republicans uses wedge issues like Gays, Guns, God and abortion and tax cuts.
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How does that comment even remotely prove your asinine comment that issue by issue the nation favors the liberal position?

Oh... that's right... it doesn't.

FAIL. As usual.
 
pbrauer said:
It's not in the Constitution, there was legislation early in the twentieth century - I don't remember the name -sorry.
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jeeez this is silly-if congress doesn't have the power then the legislation it passes is UNCONSTITUTIONAL

DUH
 
I have to laugh at the Libs here who drone on about following this guy right off the damn cliff.

Debt as far as the eye can see and getting bigger

Economy still in the crapper

Unemployment still with recession type numbers

Gets us into 3 wars instead of getting us out of 2 (with victory)

Stalinist type green energy policies which will impoverish all of us because they will prevent us from drilling or looking for more resources in our own country while continuning to rely on overpriced middle east oil & wind mills.

Open border policy which in addition to a large number of Mexicos impovrished will allow drug gangs & terrorists types to sneak back & forth almost at will.

Tax policies and regulations that send more jobs to China & India.

Croney capitalism wherever you look with GE leading the way.

I could go on & on but I think its obvious, this guy is in way over his head, him & his parties insistance on spending the country into oblivion is going to mean the end of them because in the end, I think the average American is going to realize we are going to be broke if this continues. I mean what is our country gonna look like (see Portugal & Greece) if this debt thing continues?

Balanced budget amendment is one the way! And its about time....

I think the Republicans have a winner here in the next election if they find a leader to articulate it.

A Fiscal conservative will be our next president, not the biggest spender in world history.
 
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Iron Yank said:
I have to laugh at the Libs here who drone on about following this guy right off the damn cliff.

Debt as far as the eye can see and getting bigger

Economy still in the crapper

Unemployment still with recession type numbers

Gets us into 3 wars instead of getting us out of 2 (with victory)

Stalinist type green energy policies which will impoverish all of us because they will prevent us from drilling or looking for more resources in our own country while continuning to rely on overpriced middle east oil & wind mills.

Open border policy which in addition to a large number of Mexicos impovrished will allow drug gangs & terrorists types to sneak back & forth almost at will.

Tax policies and regulations that send more jobs to China & India.

Croney capitalism wherever you look with GE leading the way.

I could go on & on but I think its obvious, this guy is in way over his head, him & his parties insistance on spending the country into oblivion is going to mean the end of them because in the end, I think the average American is going to realize we are going to be broke if this continues. I mean what is our country gonna look like (see Portugal & Greece) if this debt thing continues?

Balanced buget amendment is one the way! And its about time....

I think the Republicans have a winner here in the next election if they find a leader to articulate it.

A Fiscal conservative will be our next president, not the biggest spender in world history.
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Is that so? The first GOP debate at the Reagan library is next month and so far it doesn't appear there any any takers. There is a gay guy who has thrown his hat in the ring, is that the guy you are backing?
 
Iron Yank said:
Balanced buget amendment is one the way! And its about time....

I think the Republicans have a winner here in the next election if they find a leader to articulate it.

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Ok, so now Republicans want to balance the budget. Excuse me for not jumping on the bandwagon. After Reagan and both Bushes failed to do it....

Question. How do you pay for wars with a balanced budget amendment? This isn't meant to be a "war mongering Republicans" accusation, just that when wars are necessary, you usually have to go into debt to do it.
 
TurtleDude said:
dems demonize the wealthy in order to get wealthy themselves through the political offices people like you elect them to

its dems that made guns a wedge issue
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dems don't demonize the wealthy, dems make reasonable suggestions and some reps spin it as demonization
 
theplaydrive said:
dems don't demonize the wealthy, dems make reasonable suggestions and some reps spin it as demonization
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claiming people who pay 40% of the income tax and all the death tax don't pay enough or don't pay their fair share is hardly reasonable

you sound like Sarah Brady who claims she wants "reasonable" increases in gun laws
 
pbrauer said:
Republicans uses wedge issues like Gays, Guns, God and abortion and tax cuts.
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wow

what are wedge issues to you are heartfelt concerns to millions of your neighbors

y'now, the kinds of americans obama talks about BEHIND THEIR BACKS

YouTube - Obama: "Small towns cling to guns or religion"

that's when he's not telling em TO THEIR FACES essentially to SHUT UP

YouTube - Obama: I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking

after all, they're probably just a buncha TYPICAL WHITE PERSONS

YouTube - Obama "Typical White Person" Racist Interview
 
TurtleDude said:
claiming people who pay 40% of the income tax and all the death tax don't pay enough or don't pay their fair share is hardly reasonable

you sound like Sarah Brady who claims she wants "reasonable" increases in gun laws
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tell that to all the rich Democrats who do think those demands are reasonable.
 
pbrauer said:
Is that so? The first GOP debate at the Reagan library is next month and so far it doesn't appear there any any takers. There is a gay guy who has thrown his hat in the ring, is that the guy you are backing?
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What has all the spending gained us, Anything?.......you cant tell me can you? Of course you are goose stepping right in line, headed for that cliff.
 
theplaydrive said:
tell that to all the rich Democrats who do think those demands are reasonable.
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you are confused

rich democrats want dems to win-so they go along with that pandering in order to win elections

how many of those rich dems send the government MORE money?

exactly
 
The Prof said:
wow

what are wedge issues to you are heartfelt concerns to millions of your neighbors

y'now, the kinds of americans obama talks about BEHIND THEIR BACKS

YouTube - Obama: "Small towns cling to guns or religion"

that's when he's not telling em TO THEIR FACES essentially to SHUT UP

YouTube - Obama: I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking

after all, they're probably just a buncha TYPICAL WHITE PERSONS

YouTube - Obama "Typical White Person" Racist Interview
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Is there some point you are trying to make here?
 
TurtleDude said:
you are confused

rich democrats want dems to win-so they go along with that pandering in order to win elections

how many of those rich dems send the government MORE money?

exactly
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the idea of me being confused is the only thing that helps you explain away the reality that there are rich people who don't mind being taxed higher.

it's less about giving the government MORE money and more about taken the burden of taxes we already have off of the less wealthy classes.
 
Iron Yank said:
What has all the spending gained us, Anything?.......you cant tell me can you? Of course you are goose stepping right in line, headed for that cliff.
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What spending are you speaking of. Do you mean the spending Bush did on wars of choice that were never paid for. Or the Medicare Part D legislation that wasn't paid for. The tax cuts that favored the richest Americans.
 
Conservative said:
pb doesn't get out much and obviously we can see where he gets his information. No wonder he is so misinformed.
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Seriously?
"Employment 6.5 million jobs created/8 years=over 812 thousand per year." ~ Conservative
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Where'd you get your information that Bush created 6.5 million jobs?
 
theplaydrive said:
the idea of me being confused is the only thing that helps you explain away the reality that there are rich people who don't mind being taxed higher.

it's less about giving the government MORE money and more about taken the burden of taxes we already have off of the less wealthy classes.
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that is like saying most marathoners don't mind the mileage

its a PRICE they pay to win races

how many of those rich dems send extra money to the IRS

you also neglect to note that some find other issues (like sodomy rights for gay men and abortion for women) MORE important.

if they really WANTED to pay more taxes they would be sending extra money in

they don't
 
The Prof said:
Obama Slams 'Fat Cat' Bankers - WSJ.com

of course that was AFTER he grandfathered those egregious aig bonuses

Treasury officials explicitly allowed AIG bonuses - Los Angeles Times

which was pretty much SIMULTANEOUS with the fed's instructions to aig to keep it's GREED secret from the sec

Geithner's New York Fed Pushed AIG To Keep Sweetheart Deals Secret (READ THE AIG EMAILS)

party on, peeps
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Demonizing the greedy and demonizing the wealthy are two different things, so yeah. Party on, peep.
 
theplaydrive said:
the idea of me being confused is the only thing that helps you explain away the reality that there are rich people who don't mind being taxed higher.

it's less about giving the government MORE money and more about taken the burden of taxes we already have off of the less wealthy classes.
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Tell me what you think the tax rate should be for the rich? As has been pointed out here 47% of the income earners in this country don't pay any Federal Income tax so you think that is fair? Before answering none of those are classified as rich avoiding taxes.

As for the rich wanting to pay higher taxes, there is absolutely nothing to prevent these people from sending in more money so why does it require a higher rate?
 
Conservative said:
Doesn't matter at all on this thread, what matters is what Obama did with his overwhelming control of the entire govt. and the very poor results he has generated. Those are the results which he has to defend and which will this country cannot afford thus will make him a one term President.
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Obama had control of the entire government? You're doing it again, Conservative. Talk about not understanding civics. Remind us again... who controls the government, Congress or the President?
 
TurtleDude said:
that is like saying most marathoners don't mind the mileage

its a PRICE they pay to win races

how many of those rich dems send extra money to the IRS

you also neglect to note that some find other issues (like sodomy rights for gay men and abortion for women) MORE important.

if they really WANTED to pay more taxes they would be sending extra money in

they don't
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There is an error in your argument, here. You seem to believe that being OK with paying more taxes is equivelent to WANTING to pay more taxes. These two things are not the same.
 
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