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Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

Two points:

1. Having family/friends in the military doesn't make your opinion suddenly more valid. One of the main reasons I didn't support Bush was because he risked the lives of my loved ones for seemingly no reason.

2. Libya and Iraq are vastly different in terms of scale and level of involvement.



Are you trying to make the argument that Bush was for smaller government? The guy who created a massive deficit, started 2 wars and implemented the Patriot Act, arguably one the greatest breaches of privacy in the history of the U.S.? Bush may have been socially conservative on some issues, but on most others (with the exception of his laissez-faire stance on business and tax cuts) he was everything bad about the Liberal position (essentially a Tax and Spend Liberal without the Tax part.)

First of all having family in Iraq indeed doesn't make me an expert but it does give me some insight into how members of the military felt about their mission and about what was going on in the country. One of them was stationed right in Saddam's main palace in military intelligence and had access to a lot of confidential information that he shared with me. Whether or not you supported the war or not at this point is irrelevant. My family members say we did the right thing but that was their opinion. We are in Iraq and to continue this argument is futile.

Second, Bush's economic policy was pro growth and pro business which is the exact opposite of Obama's and although Bush drove up the debt he didn't do it alone. He had a lot of help from Congress and that was under the control of Democrats since January 2007. Bush couldn't spend a dime without approval from Congress and since January 2007 to the present over 5 trillion has been added to the debt. Bush IMO beat the alternative of Gore and Kerry and anyon running against Obama will beat that alternative IMO. What most people ignore is that the GDP grew 4.5 trillion dollars in Bush's 8 years and some of that debt was attributed to 9/11 which according to the General Accounting Office cost over a trillion dollars.

Now we can continue to relive the Bush years but for what purpose. Obama is the issue and as has been stated it is amazing to me how little celebration there is here on his announcment yet more and more want to continue to demonize Bush. Let's focus on the Obama record and that is all that matters, not the rhetoric.
 
The numbers you showed are an increase from the previous measuring cycle are they not?


j-mac
They are not. The number of those no longer in the work force fell by 11,000 in March.
 
with you, it's never worth it, because you seem to live in an alternate universe. the one where you make sense.

You mean the actual universe that has economic results or the one you live in where rhetoric is all that matters?
 
Then don't vote for him...

I didn't and won't, you see I read his resume the first time and knew what he would do. I haven't been disappointed in my vote. The nanny state is alive and broke under Obama.
 
There is absolutely no way i would vote for Obama... the Liberal streak in this country has lasted long enough, we needed it to Un-conservatize the government socially by liberating gays and other discrimination. But now it's time to be economically conservative and go back to capitalism to save this countries future.

Not even going to mention the need for better Military and Foreign leadership.
 
It always comes down to being "dumb" for you and some others - that pretty much undermines any argument you make considering your inability to respect people who disagree with you.



:lamo "Inability to respect people who disagree with me"..... Beautiful, good one.

Take a stroll through the pages of these threads, and then come on back and tell me who disrespects whom in here of those disagreeing with a particular point of view....

Pure Allensky tactic.

j-mac
 
They are not. The number of those no longer in the work force fell by 11,000 in March.

My bad...Ok, so according to the administration lackeys, the number fell by some 11K in March....A couple of questions if I could...

1. Where'd they go?

2. with the new accounting tricks the administration put in place recently do you actually believe that number?

3. Of those 11K people, how many of them found work?

j-mac
 
I think it all depends on who the reps put up against him....And if the American people are actually dumb enough to buy his lies one more time.

j-mac

:lamo "Inability to respect people who disagree with me"..... Beautiful, good one.

Take a stroll through the pages of these threads, and then come on back and tell me who disrespects whom in here of those disagreeing with a particular point of view....

Pure Allensky tactic.

j-mac

Calling people "dumb" for disagreeing with your political ideology is an inability to respect people with different political ideologies - you shouldn't have said it if you can't own up to it.
 
How about Paul Krugman? Will he do?
Well I asked you to show which economist believes we need to gain 250,000 jobs a month to "break even" and your article didn't confirm that. I believe the "break even" number is far less than 250,000.
 
The economy is improving? not in the United States it aint
 
Well I asked you to show which economist believes we need to gain 250,000 jobs a month to "break even" and your article didn't confirm that. I believe the "break even" number is far less than 250,000.

Only in your world are 15 million Americans unemployed and 4 trillion added to the debt a rebounding economy. Congratulations on those outstanding results!
 
I believe the "break even" number is far less than 250,000.

you can quibble about the exact figure but the fact is we are NOT growing anywhere near enough to get us out of this mess

and now we're looking at gruesome gas prices, housing still no basement in sight, ANOTHER unfunded war, states (led by new york and california) about to lay off hundreds of thousands starting NOW...

and all this despite what we've been thru

in times like these

run on his RECORD

defend THAT
 
You mean the actual universe that has economic results or the one you live in where rhetoric is all that matters?
But results meant nothing to you when you voted for Bush in 2004. Twin Towers gone, 2 million additional unemployed, invading Iraq over WMD they didn't have... How come you now hold Democrats to a higher standard than you held yourself to?
 
The rate at which the economy is improving make me think Obama is slowing the recovery more then actually improving it. The economy WAS going to recover on it's OWN anyway and it still will, unless you decide to put to much regulation and spending in the pot.

Watching percentages on how the economy is improving and show that Obama is responsible is retarded, because it's supposed to go up anyway.
What you SHOULD be doing is looking back at past recessions and during whos presidency did the most of combination of two things, and #2 is more importance then the other...
#1 How fast the economy bounce back
#2 How strong the economy became after the initial growth

If you would consider during Reagan, the Reagan economic boom (the Reagan boom) made the U.S. dominate the computer softeware manufacturing buisness and 18.7 million jobs were created...which was a world record. Now FDR's plans actually had a very slow recovery in comparison, and it is argueable that he even slowed the eonomic rebound. Obama's recovery show's extremely limited growth and is laughable in comparison.
 
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My bad...Ok, so according to the administration lackeys, the number fell by some 11K in March....A couple of questions if I could...

1. Where'd they go?

2. with the new accounting tricks the administration put in place recently do you actually believe that number?

3. Of those 11K people, how many of them found work?

j-mac
I have no idea where they went ... perhaps they found jobs? There were 291,000 jobs added last month.
 
let me guess you hate women who put their families before themselves,who believe a womans role is to be a mother and wife,you would rather have a Kenyan born,communist-muslim for a president than a American born,Christian who believes in protecting the American people and their constitutional rights while providing them a society where they can half way make a living instead of living in poverty their whole lives which is what the Commiecrats want for the American people!!!!
 
Only in your world are 15 million Americans unemployed and 4 trillion added to the debt a rebounding economy. Congratulations on those outstanding results!
Riiight, the nearly 2 million jobs added since December, 2009, can't possibly be a sign that the economy is rebounding. :roll:
 
But results meant nothing to you when you voted for Bush in 2004. Twin Towers gone, 2 million additional unemployed, invading Iraq over WMD they didn't have... How come you now hold Democrats to a higher standard than you held yourself to?

Results meant everything to me, a pro growth, pro capitalistic economic policy vs. the nanny state offered by Gore and Kerry. How about that Obama economy and nanny state? By the way are Obama's buddies getting rich off the $4 a gallon gasoline?
 
Riiight, the nearly 2 million jobs added since December, 2009, can't possibly be a sign that the economy is rebounding. :roll:

Let me know when it gets back to the employment level it was in January 2009 when he took office. Looks to me like he remains in quite a hole. Let's see, December 2009? Wasn't unemployment supposed to be capped at 8% with the 800 billion dollar stimulus plan Obama signed? That is true leadership spend all that money and continue to grow unemployment.
 
Oh get over the end of the world stuff. The economy is improving and I doubt it will be the end of the world. It may be the end of your world. ha ha

This devil's advocate stuff only works for a little while. After that it's just arguing from no position. It's getting old. Really.

Now, to the point....Obamacare. Thats right! Obamacare

Both Senate and House voted to pass the single largest spending bill in the history of the United States and they did so while openly admitting that they hadn't read the bill and that it had to be passed to find out what it would do.

It was arguably unconstitutional, as several states have already ruled and last...

It was known before the vote what the problems and cost problems were going to be and that info was ignored.
 
let me guess you hate women who put their families before themselves,who believe a womans role is to be a mother and wife,you would rather have a Kenyan born,communist-muslim for a president than a American born,Christian who believes in protecting the American people and their constitutional rights while providing them a society where they can half way make a living instead of living in poverty their whole lives which is what the Commiecrats want for the American people!!!!

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... jeezzzzzz your hurting the conservative stance more then helping it by making those Kenyan-Commie-Muslim clams.... makes you sound racist and irrational from the start.

I do agree Liberal people/women do have a problem with conservative women and it's shameful. And I agree the democrats policies fail in the same way communism fails... so that is why they are very similar.
 
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