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Obama announces his Candidacy for 2012.

Uh, no, not quite, but nice try. Keep ignoring reality. That stimulus did quite a job in 2010, didn't it? Please tell me why such loyalty to Obama with results like these?


Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
1994 600 489 533 502 436 532 542 489 521 460 447 445
1995 440 439 454 385 398 364 456 410 341 412 401 425
1996 409 455 451 403 352 414 423 415 391 374 346 334
1997 397 364 356 379 338 353 311 311 328 302 331 345
1998 374 361 343 344 268 311 374 280 317 333 310 358
1999 339 271 295 245 256 220 290 265 289 271 272 267
2000 236 267 258 331 280 309 266 203 253 232 236 269
2001 301 287 349 349 328 294 310 337 285 331 328 348
2002 328 375 330 320 414 342 405 378 392 359 385 403
2003 449 450 474 437 482 478 470 503 388 462 457 433
2004 432 484 514 492 476 478 504 534 412 429 392 442
2005 515 485 480 393 392 476 499 384 362 392 404 451
2006 396 386 451 381 323 481 428 448 325 331 349 274
2007 442 375 381 399 368 401 367 392 276 320 349 363
2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642
2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929
2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209 1219 1282 1318
2011 993 1020 921
Cute ... those numbers show the number of discouraged workers under Bush from when he became president to when you voted for him rose from 301K to 429K, an increase of 43%. Under Obama that number rose from 734K to 921K, a 25% increase.

Yet you voted for Bush even though you drag this out as a reason not to vote for Obama. :roll:
 
You made the point that Bush had a 2 million job loss in the first 45 months of his Presidency, and I asked you to tell me what factors played into that, not when his recession ended....Could you answer the question asked please?

j-mac
The disaster which befell us was Bush.
 
I will applaud when the economic results reflect the results that will lower the debt and get the unemployment back to where it belongs and where it was under Clinton and Bush.
And you voted to reelect Bush because after nearly 4 years in office, he lowered the debt and brought unemployment back to where it was when Clinton was in office, right? :roll:
 
do not expect conservative to be rational on the subject of obama. you will be beating your head against a wall.

Too bad you ignore actual data and make statements like that. Doesn't look like much objectivity to me on your part.
 
The disaster which befell us was Bush.

Congratulations, "Your" President has taken the Bush disaster and made it worse. Claiming that there is job improvement this year over last ignores that last year was a disaster worse than his first year in office and that we are still below the employment levels when he took office. Your success is close to 15 million unemployed Americans and 4 trillion added to the debt just in 2 plus years. You must be so proud!
 
I had three family members there, did you serve? What threat is Libya?

Two points:

1. Having family/friends in the military doesn't make your opinion suddenly more valid. One of the main reasons I didn't support Bush was because he risked the lives of my loved ones for seemingly no reason.

2. Libya and Iraq are vastly different in terms of scale and level of involvement.

Right, and Bush won re-election with improving economic numbers and a pro growth economic plan. Obama's plan is the exact opposite, bigger govt. and the nanny state which seems to motivate people like you.

Are you trying to make the argument that Bush was for smaller government? The guy who created a massive deficit, started 2 wars and implemented the Patriot Act, arguably one the greatest breaches of privacy in the history of the U.S.? Bush may have been socially conservative on some issues, but on most others (with the exception of his laissez-faire stance on business and tax cuts) he was everything bad about the Liberal position (essentially a Tax and Spend Liberal without the Tax part.)
 
Too bad you ignore actual data and make statements like that. Doesn't look like much objectivity to me on your part.

with you, it's never worth it, because you seem to live in an alternate universe. the one where you make sense.
 
Congratulations, "Your" President has taken the Bush disaster and made it worse. Claiming that there is job improvement this year over last ignores that last year was a disaster worse than his first year in office and that we are still below the employment levels when he took office. Your success is close to 15 million unemployed Americans and 4 trillion added to the debt just in 2 plus years. You must be so proud!

Then don't vote for him...
 
But, the experts say that we need a sustained 250K jobs per month just to break even in those that are lost in this country.
Can you post a link to an expert saying that?

As to those dropping out of the job market, you see that as a good thing? Really?
No, I see the number of those dropping out of the job market decreasing a good thing.
 
Then don't vote for him...

I won't, didn't the first time, and many Americans that did vote for him won't be there this time around....

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 26% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -14 (see trends).
Just 37% now give the president good or excellent marks for his handling of national security issues. That’s down six points from the week before and the lowest rating yet received on the topic by this president. While liberal voters are overwhelmingly more supportive of the president than moderates or conservatives, liberals give the president slightly higher marks on the economy than on national security. However, among conservative and moderate voters, the opposite is true. They give the president slightly higher marks for national security issues rather than the economy.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

It is simply wrong for commentators to continue to focus on President Barack Obama's high levels of popularity, and to conclude that these are indicative of high levels of public confidence in the work of his administration. Indeed, a detailed look at recent survey data shows that the opposite is most likely true. The American people are coming to express increasingly significant doubts about his initiatives, and most likely support a different agenda and different policies from those that the Obama administration has advanced.

Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth - WSJ.com


j-mac
 
I won't, didn't the first time, and many Americans that did vote for him won't be there this time around....

j-mac

Doubtful, considering that I and many other liberals disapprove of many things he has done and yet we will still vote for him. Disapproval is not the same thing as "not voting" - many liberals who disapprove of Obama will make that clear.

Nearly half (47%) of registered voters say they would like to see Barack Obama reelected, while 37% say they would prefer to see a Republican candidate win the 2012 election, according to the survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press conducted March 8-14 among 1,525 adults. In April 2003, 48% of registered voters said they would like to see Bush reelected in 2004; 34% said they would prefer to see a Democrat win.

He's right where Bush was when he was getting ready to be re-elected.

Obama Tests Well at Start of Reelection Run | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press
 
libya, inflation, gas prices, housing, obamacare, debt, unemployment, iran, gitmo, immigration, cap and trade, transparency, afghanistan, his 2012 budget which INCREASES the deficit by 30%...

quite a record, don'tcha think

quite a campaign

we'll talk
 
elections in the united states are won and lost on ENTHUSIASM

obama's base is "exhausted from defending him"

it can't be much fun
 
Will Obama blame Bush when he loses?:lol:
 
Will Obama blame Bush when he loses?:lol:

Obama will blame Bush who blamed Clinton who blamed Bush who Blamed Reagan and in the end, its all George Washington's fault. :2razz:
 
a real winning slogan---vote for obama, bush was worse

LOL!

meanwhile, on substance:

Obama signs Patriot Act extensions - Washington Times

If you'd read my post, you'd see I was only making the point that Bush was actually quite Liberal in many areas, not conservative. I never even mentioned Obama.

I'm tired of the mindset of "if you dislike one candidate, you must love the other" and vice-versa.
 
Can you post a link to an expert saying that?[/COLOR]


How about Paul Krugman? Will he do?

While the recession has at least bottomed out and appears technically to have ended, the recovery, by historic standards, has been anemic. Within two years of the start of every one of the three previous recessions, GDP had rebounded significantly—to 4 percentage points above where it was when the downturn began. But 31 months after the start of the current recession, GDP was still below its starting point. The employment situation is even worse. In the nasty recession of 1981-82, the economy had regained the jobs it lost within just 26 months. This time around, we still have 5 percent fewer jobs than at the recession's start in December 2007.

What bothers the public, plain and simple, is that the steps that were taken to mitigate the recession—which involved greater government involvement, including ownership of the largest auto and insurance companies, and vastly more federal spending—have not worked.

Worse, the public believes federal action was especially unhelpful to the mass of Americans. Only 27 percent of respondents to a Pew Research Center/National Journal survey in July agreed that "government economic policies have helped [the] middle class." A poll in June by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research for Democracy Corps, a Democratic organization, asked American adults to choose between two statements:

1: President Obama's economic policies helped avert an even worse crisis and are laying the foundation for our eventual recovery.

or

2 : President Obama's economic policies have run up a record federal deficit while failing to end the recession or slow job losses.

By 49 percent to 44 percent, respondents chose Statement No. 2, and for those who identified themselves as independents, the margin was 52-38. Among independents, the results for backing a statement "strongly" were 42 percent for No. 2 and just 22 percent for No. 1.

Some politicians and economists, notably Paul Krugman of Princeton and the New York Timesop-ed page, have argued that the persistent sluggishness of the economy is the result of not doing enough. Again, the public disagrees. As Jodie Allen of Pew wrote about her organization's study: "Far from demanding that the government reinforce its efforts so as to help neglected middle and lower-income groups, a majority of the public views cutting the federal budget deficit as more important than stimulating the economy." In June 2009, Pew found that, by 48 percent to 46 percent, Americans favored "spending more to help [the] recovery" over "reducing the budget deficit." But in July 2010, deficit-cutting was favored over spending by an 11-point margin, 51-40.

The Failure of the Liberal Economic Experiment? - WSJ.com

Now admittedly Krugman thinks that Obama should have spent more, however, if you read the entire piece, you get the distinct conclusion that Obama has failed at turning this economy around by just about everyone who isn't a complete Obama drone.

j-mac
 
I won't, didn't the first time, and many Americans that did vote for him won't be there this time around....

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows ...

j-mac
It's interesting that you rely on a JAR (Rasmussen, no less) to gauge the presidents chances of receiving votes in 19 months.

Are you are aware that according to Gallup, Obama's JAR is 46% and at this same point in Reagan's first term, his JAR was even lower at 41%? What did Reagan's 41% job approval rating, in April of 1983, indicate would happen 19 months later?
 
Doubtful, considering that I and many other liberals disapprove of many things he has done and yet we will still vote for him. Disapproval is not the same thing as "not voting" - many liberals who disapprove of Obama will make that clear.



He's right where Bush was when he was getting ready to be re-elected.

Obama Tests Well at Start of Reelection Run | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

I think it all depends on who the reps put up against him....And if the American people are actually dumb enough to buy his lies one more time.

j-mac
 
I think it all depends on who the reps put up against him....And if the American people are actually dumb enough to buy his lies one more time.

j-mac

It always comes down to being "dumb" for you and some others - that pretty much undermines any argument you make considering your inability to respect people who disagree with you.
 
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