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Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

It could be that there are a lot more people calling themselves Christians than there are actually trying to live the philosophy that Christ preached.

And many who are trying to live the philosophy Christ preached, or who are equally influenced by his teachings, without calling themselves Christian.
 
And many who are trying to live the philosophy Christ preached, or who are equally influenced by his teachings, without calling themselves Christian.

You finally posted something I can agree with.
 
Yes, "Go ye forth and slay all of the Muslims, or ye shall have endless war." I'm sure there must be something like that somewhere in the Bible. Either that, or ric is wrong. That couldn't be, could it?

Compare Muslim countries to non-Muslim countries. Where do you see the killing of those of different faiths? Muslim countries. Where are churches and synagogues burned down? Muslim countries. Where are mosques burned down? ?? ???? That's right, none. Where is it a death sentence to change your religion? Muslim countries.

Who have committed acts of terrorism on the basis of their religion in the last 40 years? Muslims. The majority of Muslims haven't attacked a non-Muslim country or people simply because they can't get to them. But that doesn't mean they don't support Jihad. The man who doesn't go has no problem putting some money in the plate to pay for those who do. Or he sends his son. The list goes on and on....
 
You don't know the difference between the action of an individual and the action of a government?
I see you are either unable or unwilling to define that difference.
Hmmm. Well if I tell my 12 year old son he is grounded for a week it is quite different from the government passing a law that says all 12 year old males are grounded for a week. Does that help?
Well, you beating your son for staying out all night and a policeman beating him for doing so shows a lot of similarity.
No, they were not. They were not trying to ban the Koran.
Did you ask them? I think that's precisely what they'd like to see happen.

Are you saying that this Florida preacher is the equivalent of the Spanish, or some other, inquisition? Advanced hyperbole doesn't advance your argument whatsoever, In fact it only lends to the ongoing hysteria swirling about an obscure American citizen who used his First Amendment rights.
Firstly, it was not just one individual, witness the tide of support he received, the tide of support for other similar activities and the tide of support for hounding law-abiding Moslem who wish to build their communities a mosque. Secondly, I have no doubt that, but for the efforts of generations of liberal Americans upholding and cherishing those very constitutional rights, the likes of the Rev. Jones would crush any dissenters to his extremist religious orthodoxy.
 
It just amazes me. Muhammad was a protestor, phrophet, judge, general, and a soveriegn. Today's Muslims everywhere on the spectrum has a lot of leeway when it comes to living in the example of the prophet. How quickly Christians forget to live in the example of their prophet as they applaud the burning of Qur'ans, seek revenge, and voice for wars.

How quickly Christians...lol

Discussion of Islam and the problem does not require discussion of, or even mention of any other religion. Whatever similarities appear to be there are immaterial when taken in context with the differences not only in religion, but in the culture. So bringing up any other belief system is counter productive and this thread, like every other one, will devolve into bashing.

The problem presented by Islam is very complex and consequently, any solution will be too
 
I see you are either unable or unwilling to define that difference.

Andy, let's not be silly. If you really don't know the difference between a government and an individual, try invading France on your own.
Well, you beating your son for staying out all night and a policeman beating him for doing so shows a lot of similarity.

Perhaps, but you are talking of an illegal act and I'm not. Nor does the subject of this thread concern an illegal act.

Did you ask them? I think that's precisely what they'd like to see happen.

Ask them? I don't ven know them, nor am I interested in talking with them.
Firstly, it was not just one individual, witness the tide of support he received, the tide of support for other similar activities and the tide of support for hounding law-abiding Moslem who wish to build their communities a mosque

Hounding? How so?

Secondly, I have no doubt that, but for the efforts of generations of liberal Americans upholding and cherishing those very constitutional rights, the likes of the Rev. Jones would crush any dissenters to his extremist religious orthodoxy.

Perhaps, but who's to say? You seem to spend too much time speculating.

In the meantime he's free to do what he wants with his private property and say what he thinks, as unpopular as that might be.. If you don't approve of freedom of speech then it would seem that fascism is still alive and well in Spain.
 
Andy, let's not be silly. If you really don't know the difference between a government and an individual, try invading France on your own.
Now, who's being silly? You know that we are discussing philosophical and ethical distinctions. If you can't answer the question, just say so.
Hounding? How so?

Stuff like this...


You seem to spend too much time speculating.
Mr Pot, may I introduce you to Mrs Kettle?

In the meantime he's free to do what he wants with his private property and say what he thinks, as unpopular as that might be.. If you don't approve of freedom of speech then it would seem that fascism is still alive and well in Spain.
Right on cue! How typical of you to use the old, "if you disagree with what some loon says, you want to stop him saying it" trope.

FYI, in just this thread:
Me post 190 - I am not advocating that it should be made illegal, but that the reaction to it of the rest of society should be one of deep disapproval
 
Now, who's being silly? You know that we are discussing philosophical and ethical distinctions. If you can't answer the question, just say so.

We are discussing a Florida Pastor who burned a Koran and did nothing illegal or unethical in doing so.

Stuff like this...



This is not related to the subject of the thread but if you are trying to compare these people to what the Muslims did to the UN workers, or indeed any Muslims riots, then you are well off the mark.
Right on cue! How typical of you to use the old, "if you disagree with what some loon says, you want to stop him saying it" trope.

So you are defending his right to say whatever he thinks? Good for you!

Freedom of expression is one of the most basic building blocks of western civilization. If you want to deny people that right, as they have done in Europe, then it is a major setback for people everywhere, though I doubt your pleas will have much effect on Americans. Their right to freedom of expression is too ingrained in their culture to follow the steps taken in Europe.

Me post 190 - I am not advocating that it should be made illegal, but that the reaction to it of the rest of society should be one of deep disapproval
And you're upset that the 'rest of society' is not voicing their 'deep disapproval', but are instead defending his right to speak out on a controversial subject? That lock step thinking so commonplace in Europe has not yet arrived in the United States, and I'm hoping it never does.
 
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It could be that there are a lot more people calling themselves Christians than there are actually trying to live the philosophy that Christ preached.

I'm of the opinion that most Christians have Christianity wrong.
 
Let's not forget he was also a pedophile, a warmonger and wanted to kill those who wouldn't sign on to Islam..

But as to his being 'a prophet', here are some definitions.

1. A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.
2. A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression.
3. A predictor; a soothsayer.
4. The chief spokesperson of a movement or cause.

I'd give him number 4.

You are confusing history with faith. According to their religion and to history, He was a Prophet. You don't have to believe it. You can call Him a false Prophet. But if you want to place things into perspectives and to better understand the mind of people, you have to except that to billions of people He was a Prophet.

The "pedophile" label just encourages the validation of your anger. You don't need it. There's enough frustration and disaster in this civilization without using the "pedophile" label to explain the problems.
 
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You are confusing history with faith.

Perhaps that's because you never mentioned faith. I realize that Muslims have faith that he is a prophet but that doesn't make him one, not does your calling him a prophet make him one, with the exception of number 4. on that list of definitions.
According to their religion and to history, He was a Prophet.

Exactly. That's number 4.

You don't have to believe it. You can call Him a false Prophet. But if you want to place things into perspectives and to better understand the mind of people, you have to except that to billions of people He was a Prophet.

I understand that also. And to understand things from a non Muslim perspective you have to understand that Mohamed is nothing very special at all. In fact whatever good points he may have had are certainly outweighed by the negatives. These are well documented. And that millions call him a "prophet" says more about the general lack of education among Muslims than anything I need add.

The "pedophile" label just encourages the validation of your anger. You don't need it. There's enough frustration and disaster in this civilization without using the "pedophile" label to explain the problems.

My anger? Mark it down as annoyance, at worst.

When Americans are exercising their first amendment rights, and then Muslims murder over 20 innocent people, and the blame is on the American, than I think people are seriously losing their perspective, as well as risking further restraints on public dialog. Rather than male the false claim that I am angry, why not direct your attention the the perpetrators of the act? That should make you plenty angry.

And I will call this pedophile a pedophile. That's what he was, and more. If you want to silence people then you can march with the Muslims, insisting that there be restrictions on freedom of speech, just as they have done in Europe.

It is well past time free people began speaking out against these Muslim outrages and get people to realize that when they turn against free speech, they must certainly be aligning themselves with the wrong side. Otherwise they'd be all for free speech, and not trying to silence anyone.
 
Compare Muslim countries to non-Muslim countries. Where do you see the killing of those of different faiths? Muslim countries. Where are churches and synagogues burned down? Muslim countries. Where are mosques burned down? ?? ???? That's right, none. Where is it a death sentence to change your religion? Muslim countries.

Who have committed acts of terrorism on the basis of their religion in the last 40 years? Muslims. The majority of Muslims haven't attacked a non-Muslim country or people simply because they can't get to them. But that doesn't mean they don't support Jihad. The man who doesn't go has no problem putting some money in the plate to pay for those who do. Or he sends his son. The list goes on and on....

This is where so many hang up their brains. One side will argue that it's obviously a Muslim thing. The other side will counter and state that Muslims are successful in Indonesia and such. The proper question is "Why is the Middle East such a basket case?" But people don't want to actually think about the problem. You just hear slogans like "you can't bomb them into democracy, you can't throw the military at it, it's none of our business," and "they're not all terrorists." You just hear words like "terrorists, pedophile," and "evil." None of this addresses the effort and it doesn'thelp when our own politicians shy away from admitting that this is and has always been about the entire region. They keep it simple so that people can compartmentalize the effort amongst nice neat borders on a map. They pretend (some are just too stupid to know any better) that we have "three" separate wars going on. What they don't tell the American people from behind their microphones is that our diplomats in and out of military uniform are working throughout the MENA region, ever since 9/11, and have been addressing the very same social issues that all these "states" have.

It's only in the West that such simpleton idiocracies are occurring. Our enemies talk about the Muslim people without addressing the nation states. The Nation of Islam has no borders. The organized religious movements and groups hold members that comes from all over the region. "Iraqi," "Kuwaiti," "Saudi," "Egyptian," "Libyan," etc. are labels that came after European colonialism, which are new labels in history. Even today they are secondary to the "Muslim peoples."

The fact that Muslims far removed from the MENA region have played part in the "Global War on Terror" is evidence that the propaganda of the region has far reaching implications. The lost souls of the Bali bombing, London bombing, Major dickhead shooting, and Madrid bombing simply stem from personalized guilt and a natural drive to ensure a place in heaven by heeding the call of the jihad. Propaganda and the media's exposure has a way of igniting people's perspectives into unnecessary places. And don't get me started on the converted who feel that they have something to prove in order to belong to their new community.
 
This is where so many hang up their brains.

Try not to condescend with those whose opinions differ from your own, MSgt.
One side will argue that it's obviously a Muslim thing. The other side will counter and state that Muslims are successful in Indonesia and such.

It is a Muslim thing and there are serious problems in Indonesia, and Africa also if we want to go international. In fact, as we can clearly see, Muslims are going international. You can add Western Europe to that list and now the mightiest of them all, the United States, is faltering.
The proper question is "Why is the Middle East such a basket case?" But people don't want to actually think about the problem.

Sure they do. That's why people are participating on these debates, here and elsewhere.
You just hear slogans like "you can't bomb them into democracy, you can't throw the military at it, it's none of our business," and "they're not all terrorists." You just hear words like "terrorists, pedophile," and "evil." None of this addresses the effort and it doesn'thelp when our own politicians shy away from admitting that this is and has always been about the entire region.

No, no and no, It may have begun in one region but it is no longer restricted to that region. You're talking 15 years ago.

They keep it simple so that people can compartmentalize the effort amongst nice neat borders on a map. They pretend (some are just too stupid to know any better) that we have "three" separate wars going on. What they don't tell the American people from behind their microphones is that our diplomats in and out of military uniform are working throughout the MENA region, ever since 9/11, and have been addressing the very same social issues that all these "states" have.

And they obviously have had very limited success. Why anyone would still believe in politically correct international diplomacy will forever be a mystery.
It's only in the West that such simpleton idiocracies are occurring. Our enemies talk about the Muslim people without addressing the nation states. The Nation of Islam has no borders. The organized religious movements and groups hold members that comes from all over the region. "Iraqi," "Kuwaiti," "Saudi," "Egyptian," "Libyan," etc. are labels that came after European colonialism, which are new labels in history. Even today they are secondary to the "Muslim peoples."

That is what is being said while you're claim "The proper question is "Why is the Middle East such a basket case?", The source of the problem was and largely is the Middle East, but it is Islam that is a basket case, and we can all see that if we first remove our rose-colored glasses.The problem is Islam and there is little we can do about it but defend ourselves and our liberties. Compromise is not a serious option, and we only need look to Europe for verification of that.
 
We are discussing a Florida Pastor who burned a Koran and did nothing illegal or unethical in doing so.
We are well aware of your opinion on the matter, but that's all it is. An opinion.

This is not related to the subject of the thread but if you are trying to compare these people to what the Muslims did to the UN workers, or indeed any Muslims riots, then you are well off the mark.
You asked for proof that law-abiding Moslems were being hounded in western countries. There it is. Of course they are not being murdered. That happened in Afghanistan, one of the basket cases of the modern world. Why would you even think of comparing the situations of the US and Afghanistan?
So you are defending his right to say whatever he thinks? Good for you!
It's a shame you're not quite so strong in defending the right of free expression.
Freedom of expression is one of the most basic building blocks of western civilization. If you want to deny people that right, as they have done in Europe, then it is a major setback for people everywhere, though I doubt your pleas will have much effect on Americans. Their right to freedom of expression is too ingrained in their culture to follow the steps taken in Europe.
Please tell me what aspect of this debate would be banned in any country of the EU?

And you're upset that the 'rest of society' is not voicing their 'deep disapproval', but are instead defending his right to speak out on a controversial subject?
Have you not been reading this and other threads on the subject? There's a lot of disapproval for the unethical, irresponsible and hateful actions of the Rev out there. You're the person on DP most fullsome in your praise of his actions.
That lock step thinking so commonplace in Europe has not yet arrived in the United States, and I'm hoping it never does.
What's it to you or me? You're not American and neither am I. You don't live in the US and neither do I. Why don't you express any hopes or wishes on behalf of your own country?
 
This is where so many hang up their brains. One side will argue that it's obviously a Muslim thing. The other side will counter and state that Muslims are successful in Indonesia and such. The proper question is "Why is the Middle East such a basket case?" But people don't want to actually think about the problem. You just hear slogans like "you can't bomb them into democracy, you can't throw the military at it, it's none of our business," and "they're not all terrorists." You just hear words like "terrorists, pedophile," and "evil." None of this addresses the effort and it doesn'thelp when our own politicians shy away from admitting that this is and has always been about the entire region. They keep it simple so that people can compartmentalize the effort amongst nice neat borders on a map. They pretend (some are just too stupid to know any better) that we have "three" separate wars going on. What they don't tell the American people from behind their microphones is that our diplomats in and out of military uniform are working throughout the MENA region, ever since 9/11, and have been addressing the very same social issues that all these "states" have.

It's only in the West that such simpleton idiocracies are occurring. Our enemies talk about the Muslim people without addressing the nation states. The Nation of Islam has no borders. The organized religious movements and groups hold members that comes from all over the region. "Iraqi," "Kuwaiti," "Saudi," "Egyptian," "Libyan," etc. are labels that came after European colonialism, which are new labels in history. Even today they are secondary to the "Muslim peoples."

The fact that Muslims far removed from the MENA region have played part in the "Global War on Terror" is evidence that the propaganda of the region has far reaching implications. The lost souls of the Bali bombing, London bombing, Major dickhead shooting, and Madrid bombing simply stem from personalized guilt and a natural drive to ensure a place in heaven by heeding the call of the jihad. Propaganda and the media's exposure has a way of igniting people's perspectives into unnecessary places. And don't get me started on the converted who feel that they have something to prove in order to belong to their new community.

I tend to agree with the premise that much of the West does not fully understand Muslim culture and equates their acceptance and desire for some Western technology and material goods with "moderate" religious beliefs. The fact is, Western culture, civilization, society and political structure is incompatible with Islam. They don't come here to flee Islamic restraints and to become Westernized. They come here for economic opportunity and to take over via population increase. Too many people deny our war is a crusade instead of really making it one. Not Christianity v. Islam, but Western Civilization against Islam.

And yes!....The GWOT is not about nation states. You must forget names like Iraq, Afghanistan, borders etc. Islamo-fascism is a security community.

Terrorists are no more Iraqi, Afgan, Yemeni, Saudi, Libyan, etc, etc than I am. They are Islamo-fascists, period. Hadji for short.
 
We are well aware of your opinion on the matter, but that's all it is. An opinion.

Then perhaps you can offer an alternative opinion. Did he, for example, break the law?
You asked for proof that law-abiding Moslems were being hounded in western countries. There it is. Of course they are not being murdered. That happened in Afghanistan, one of the basket cases of the modern world. Why would you even think of comparing the situations of the US and Afghanistan?

These were protesters and they have every right to protest. There are protests in the democracies every day, all over the free world, and I've never heard it referred to as "hounding". If protesters were to go to their homes then I could see your point, but as it is you don't have one. If you want to see some real "hounding" perhaps I should post some Muslim protests. Are you familiar at all with their protests? The one against burning the Koran, for example? Or the protest over some cartoons?
It's a shame you're not quite so strong in defending the right of free expression.

What? Is that a typo? I'm all for free expression, which is what this debate is all about, and if it does not include bodily harm or the destruction of property.
Please tell me what aspect of this debate would be banned in any country of the EU?

That's not a problem!

Austrian Woman Charged for Criticizing the Koran - World - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

BBC NEWS | Europe | Islam film Dutch MP to be charged

Islam in Europe: Denmark: Boy charged for anti-Islamic posters

It seems you side with these people here. Did you speak out as vehemently against them (just a small example btw) as strongly as you do against the Florida Pastor? I think not.

Hate demo over cartoon | The Sun |News



Have you not been reading this and other threads on the subject? There's a lot of disapproval for the unethical, irresponsible and hateful actions of the Rev out there. You're the person on DP most fullsome in your praise of his actions.

Where did read you about my fulsome praise of his actions? You know that's untrue, but I've noticed that people who are most against free speech are open towards the telling of lies..
What's it to you or me? You're not American and neither am I. You don't live in the US and neither do I. Why don't you express any hopes or wishes on behalf of your own country?

I do actually, and have publicly complained about the cowardly way the Canadian government has behaved about the selective freedom of speech and I've written MP's saying so.. I'm hoping the law will change after the upcoming election.

I care because what happens in the US effects everyone and perhaps moreso in Canada because they are our neighbors.. I now avoid Europe but its more difficult to avoid the States.
 
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Ever hear of the Spanish Inquisition?

Of Salam Mass.?

Ummm...yeah

hazlnut - You might want to consider dates.

Salem witch trials - 1692
Spanish inquistion - pretty much gone after about 1690.
Crusades - 1095-1291. Muslim armies conquered Christian Palestine and steadily encroached on the Eastern Roman Empire. After the battle of Manzikert in 1071, the Eastern Roman Emperor appealed for aid to the west, but the First Crusade wasn't preached until pilgrims were attacked.

While the merits of the crusades can be debated back and forth, the point is, you don't find a history of Christian persecution in the last 300 years or more. With the exception of a few nutcases like Phelps, you won't find a Christian priest or preacher who will advocate conversion by the sword or execution for religious reasons.

Nothing for 300+ years... I think you'll lose that comparison.
 
It seems you side with these people here. Did you speak out as vehemently against them (just a small example btw) as strongly as you do against the Florida Pastor? I think not.

This is what I was thinking as I read the 80 pages of posts.

The responsibility should be laid upon the people who committed the acts. Most here were assuming that the Muslims who were rioting and killing over the burning of a book half a world away had no control over their reactions, and thus could not be held accountable for them: they were demonstrating their belief that it was the West’s responsibility to make sure the Islamic world behaves in a civilized manner.

I live in Washington DC and have many friends and neighbors that are Muslim; I asked them what they thought about the burning, they said that if they met Pastor Jones "they would cut his head off". I asked them about the actions taken by the people in Afghanistan and they applauded them... Now keep in mind that these are people that Work, Live and Pray in the USA. I told them that I would have an issue calling them Moderate Muslims because of their answers. They Said that the Education and culture of Islam is that you protect Islam with your life. I was a bit shocked, so I retreated to my den to study a little about the subject. I had to ponder my own belief system growing up as a catholic but find myself today a non religious person having studied Physics and math the past 30 years. I wondered who is God what does he mean to people? So I started to search the Bible, Quran and Torah to get my answers.

Well after many nights of pouring through the religious text I find myself no closer to God than I was a week ago. So I called a college who is what I would consider a Well Educated non practicing Muslim Professor and asked him for some insight on this event and how moderate and extremist Muslims find themselves in agreement on this subject. His first comment was “do you have 20 years?” I don’t but he proceeded to tell me that Muslims are very devoted to the Political structure of Islam not to the religious aspect. Without the political structure the religion would not last because of the vast cultures that Islam is practiced from China, Indonesia, Middle East, Africa and Persia. It is the fastest growing religion in the world that spans every group, nationality and language.

We make a natural mistake in our understanding of Islamic tradition, assuming that religion means the same for Muslims as it has meant for most other religious adherents ever since the industrial revolution, and for some societies, even before that; that is: a section of life reserved for certain matters, and separate from other sections of life. This is not the Islamic world view.

Islam is a “total way of life.” It has provided guidance in every sphere of life, from individual cleanliness, rules of trade, to the structure and politics of the society. Islam can never be separated from social, political, or economic life, since religion provides moral guidance for every action that a person takes. The primary act of faith is to strive to implement God's will in both private and public life. Muslims see that they, themselves, as well as the world around them, must be in total submission to God and his Will. Moreover, they know that this concept of His rule must be established on earth in order to create a just society. Like Jews and Christians before them, Muslims have been called into a covenant relationship with God, making them a community of believers who must serve as an example to other nations by creating a Islamic moral social order. Throughout history, being a Muslim has meant not only belonging to a religious community of fellow believers but also living under the Islamic Law. For Islamic Law is believed to be an extension of God’s absolute sovereignty and God’s word written or sung is as sacred Gods own being.
 
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Ever hear of the Spanish Inquisition?

Of Salam Mass.?

Not sure what your version of the cusades is but History and facts show that the Crusades in the East were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression--an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian and Jewish lands. These wars lasted 200 years. But it was not a "witch hunt" to kill Muslims is was a war fought over land, like every war before and after.

I am not a big fan of wikipedia but there is some good info there "Crusades"

Some more intersting books
 
This is what I was thinking as I read the 80 pages of posts.

The responsibility should be laid upon the people who committed the acts. Most here were assuming that the Muslims who were rioting and killing over the burning of a book half a world away had no control over their reactions, and thus could not be held accountable for them: they were demonstrating their belief that it was the West’s responsibility to make sure the Islamic world behaves in a civilized manner.

I live in Washington DC and have many friends and neighbors that are Muslim; I asked them what they thought about the burning, they said that if they met Pastor Jones "they would cut his head off". I asked them about the actions taken by the people in Afghanistan and they applauded them... Now keep in mind that these are people that Work, Live and Pray in the USA. I told them that I would have an issue calling them Moderate Muslims because of their answers. They Said that the Education and culture of Islam is that you protect Islam with your life. I was a bit shocked, so I retreated to my den to study a little about the subject. I had to ponder my own belief system growing up as a catholic but find myself today a non religious person having studied Physics and math the past 30 years. I wondered who is God what does he mean to people? So I started to search the Bible, Quran and Torah to get my answers.

Well after many nights of pouring through the religious text I find myself no closer to God than I was a week ago. So I called a college who is what I would consider a Well Educated non practicing Muslim Professor and asked him for some insight on this event and how moderate and extremist Muslims find themselves in agreement on this subject. His first comment was “do you have 20 years?” I don’t but he proceeded to tell me that Muslims are very devoted to the Political structure of Islam not to the religious aspect. Without the political structure the religion would not last because of the vast cultures that Islam is practiced from China, Indonesia, Middle East, Africa and Persia. It is the fastest growing religion in the world that spans every group, nationality and language.

We make a natural mistake in our understanding of Islamic tradition, assuming that religion means the same for Muslims as it has meant for most other religious adherents ever since the industrial revolution, and for some societies, even before that; that is: a section of life reserved for certain matters, and separate from other sections of life. This is not the Islamic world view.

Islam is a “total way of life.” It has provided guidance in every sphere of life, from individual cleanliness, rules of trade, to the structure and politics of the society. Islam can never be separated from social, political, or economic life, since religion provides moral guidance for every action that a person takes. The primary act of faith is to strive to implement God's will in both private and public life. Muslims see that they, themselves, as well as the world around them, must be in total submission to God and his Will. Moreover, they know that this concept of His rule must be established on earth in order to create a just society. Like Jews and Christians before them, Muslims have been called into a covenant relationship with God, making them a community of believers who must serve as an example to other nations by creating a Islamic moral social order. Throughout history, being a Muslim has meant not only belonging to a religious community of fellow believers but also living under the Islamic Law. For Islamic Law is believed to be an extension of God’s absolute sovereignty and God’s word written or sung is as sacred Gods own being.

Does anyone else around here smell sock?
 
Random capitalisation Often appears with The scent, but whether It is cause or Effect is uncertain. If a being is going to cut and paste a tract of dreck, it's polite to at least ensure the spelling is correct. "Pouring" through texts?
 
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