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Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

ric27 said:
How many wannabees like Pastor Jones are going to pop up after this? The ones looking for notoriety?
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If they do, shouldn't we blame the murderers? I mean after all, if not for their actions no one would think to seek out notoriety that way.
 
Mikeyy said:
I think it was Karzai making it an issue. And our media giving air time to a guy with 12 followers
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Maybe a lot more than this - I wonder why didn't Karzai or anyone else make a similar issue about any of the other burnings?

As for the media - for whatever reason Pastor Jones may have been courted by the press whereas burnings elsewhere were ignored. I'm just curious why such prominence and reaction to this - just the latest in a series - event caused the strongest reaction.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
These Muslims are insane! They act like drunk children that are hate-filled. People that worship Satan are better people than these Islamic animals!! They are barbarians! They killed 12 people because someone burned their book! 12 people DEAD... horribly murdered.... brutally murdered. Because of a book that was burned. Im all for nuking that whole area and wiping out these crazy people!
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What kind of libertarian demands genocide when free speech is exercised?
 
Point is you would find what I was doing towards your daughter wrong. Regardless of your response. You would know that regardless of the right to do so it was wrong. That is exactly why I don't understand your refusal to simply condemn Jones as wrong without qualifying it every time.
ManofthPeephole said:
Right, you brought up a situation you said would illicit a response from me, and that the people verbally attacking my daughter would be responsible for such. In asking such a question, in the present circumstances, you assume that the response of violence is the only one possible, and that the person responding held no choice in how they responded.

I have a choice to attack a little girl, or not, and can just as easily verbally correct them or call their mothers. Making me solely responsible for how I go about doing so
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Mikeyy said:
They both deserve condemnation. Them for killing him for instigating and hiding behind our freedoms to purposefully enrage people. Not just those who killed but freedom loving Muslims who have fought and died for his freedoms. He is a bad American. That should be condemned.
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Their actions were not in any way equal, and as such deserve completely different responses.
 
The press is about ratings. They report whatever they think will stir interest. Don't look for moral judgments there.
Infinite Chaos said:
Maybe a lot more than this - I wonder why didn't Karzai or anyone else make a similar issue about any of the other burnings?

As for the media - for whatever reason Pastor Jones may have been courted by the press whereas burnings elsewhere were ignored. I'm just curious why such prominence and reaction to this - just the latest in a series - event caused the strongest reaction.
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Fiddytree said:
Their actions were not in any way equal, and as such deserve completely different responses.
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It's just amazing to me how so many reactionary people could look at mass murder and the burning of a book and think it was the burning of the book that was so egregious that it demanded all their attention rather than the mass murder.
 
When did I say I disliked free speech? Again for the umteenth time have never said he didn't have the right.
ManofthPeephole said:
why do you continue to think anyone that disagrees with you is antiislamic? Maybe they just disagree with your dislike of free speech, which you already openly supported curtailing
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Gardener said:
It's just amazing to me how so many reactionary people could look at mass murder and the burning of a book and think it was the burning of the book that was so egregious that it demanded all their attention rather than the mass murder.
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Amazing, isn't it?
 
Grant said:
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Exactly.

Anyone who doesn't respect Islam or anything Muslims consider Holy can expect Muslims to murder innocent people. We should all remain silent all things Islam.

Well put, Theplaydrive.
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Serously I wonder what the reaction would be if everytime an abortion was commited, pro-lifers would go out and kill 12 women. Would liberals say, well, people shouldn't get abortions because they know it will piss people off.
 
Mikeyy said:
They both deserve condemnation. Them for killing him for instigating and hiding behind our freedoms to purposefully enrage people. Not just those who killed but freedom loving Muslims who have fought and died for his freedoms. He is a bad American. That should be condemned.
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The problem is, the islam people do NOT believe in free speech! This is immoral, because it is a fundamental human right, and they quite literally are killing to silence it.

If the islamic people had any respect for free speech this would NOT of happened.
 
Mikeyy said:
The press is about ratings. They report whatever they think will stir interest. Don't look for moral judgments there.
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Sorry, you must be mistaking my curiosity for looking for something I am actually not.

Karzai is also not part of the US press, he wouldn't be worried about making sales of US papers or media time.
 
Why do you guys go to the extreme when discussing this in order to avoid condemning Jones? Nobody says what the Afghans did was right. That has nothing to do with being also able to say Jones was wrong. Jones was wrong for many reasons.
Barbbtx said:
Serously I wonder what the reaction would be if everytime an abortion was commited, pro-lifers would go out and kill 12 women. Would liberals say, well, people shouldn't get abortions because they know it will piss people off.
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He is simply a nutjob from all I can tell
Infinite Chaos said:
Sorry, you must be mistaking my curiosity for looking for something I am actually not.

Karzai is also not part of the US press, he wouldn't be worried about making sales of US papers or media time.
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Mikeyy said:
Who said the were equal. They were both bad.
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Attacking both in relatively equal ways diminishes the public severity of the most heinous crime and elevates the severity of the comparably minor act which did not predetermine the former.
 
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I don't know why this is confusing except that some want to make it that way. Very simply. The killings were wrong and the burning of the book is no excuse. OK? That said. Jones is also wrong. And those who instead of being willing to say so and point to his rights over and over are obviscating for some other reason in my view. It's not that hard to simply say Jones was wrong. It doesn't to be balanced against the over the top reaction. It can just be called wrong on it's own. It's that simple.
X Factor said:
What are we talking about more? The murders or the Quran burning?
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Mikeyy said:
Point is you would find what I was doing towards your daughter wrong.
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yes, wrong. Not a rational reason to kill you.

Mikeyy said:
That is exactly why I don't understand your refusal to simply condemn Jones as wrong without qualifying it every time.
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1)I keep disagreeing with your need to limit free speech and hold him accountable for the acts of others, not refusing to condemn him. These things are not the same

2) I have already said that i disagree with his entire premise and that he's a nut
 
Mikeyy said:
I don't know why or how MLK got drug into this. If I walk up to you and your kids at the store and start calling your daughter a little ***** or a ******. You will obviously just smile and say "well honey he has the right to call you whatever he wants" Ofcourse you will not react because you are satisfied that the right to do it trumps all else. I sort of doubt that.
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I'd tell you "we will pray for you". I'd then tell my daughter that you are a real jackass and therefore we will indeed pray for you.
 
Did you read what I said. They were not equal. So what? They were both wrong. They were both bad. They don't have to be equal. Jones shouldn't get off because the reaction was worse. He was told his antics could put our people in danger. Like shouting fire in a theater. But it's like some here are going out of their way to give that fruitloop a pass.
Fiddytree said:
Attacking both in relatively equal ways diminishes the public severity of the most heinous crime and elevates the severity of the comparably minor act.
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Mikeyy said:
I don't know why this is confusing except that some want to make it that way. Very simply. The killings were wrong and the burning of the book is no excuse. OK? That said. Jones is also wrong. And those who instead of being willing to say so and point to his rights over and over are obviscating for some other reason in my view. It's not that hard to simply say Jones was wrong. It doesn't to be balanced against the over the top reaction. It can just be called wrong on it's own. It's that simple.
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many are not simply saying he is wrong, many, even yourself, have claimed he had no such right, and that he was partially responsible for the murder
 
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