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Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

theplaydrive said:
Read up on common sense. That's what you're lacking here.

If you can't understand what I just said, you have a problem. If Policy X works for Town A, but not Town B that doesn't discredit Policy X. It means that Town A and Town B are different.
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And if you can't understand that it's inconsistent just to apply such logic to certain circumstances, that you are unsympathetic to, then you have some serious intellectual deficiencies
 
Now I hear the nutjob preacher wants to stir up more stuff. Somebody needs to kick his ass.
 
Fiddytree said:
He should be more than able to be blamed had the issue merely been peaceful protests. We could still argue over proportional distress, but this is an entirely different matter. Once violence and murder became involved, let alone individuals with absolutely no connection to Mr. Jones, this notion is intellectually and morally bankrupt.
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If Muslims started burning Bibles, I'd be the first to say I don't blame them. After all, the jerk of a pastor burned the koran. If Americans killed Muslims because some had burned bibles, I only hold the Americans accountable.
 
Kind of misses the point yet again
Barbbtx said:
If Muslims started burning Bibles, I'd be the first to say I don't blame them. After all, the jerk of a pastor burned the koran. If Americans killed Muslims because some had burned bibles, I only hold the Americans accountable.
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Mikeyy said:
I don't know why or how MLK got drug into this. If I walk up to you and your kids at the store and start calling your daughter a little ***** or a ******. You will obviously just smile and say "well honey he has the right to call you whatever he wants" Ofcourse you will not react because you are satisfied that the right to do it trumps all else. I sort of doubt that.
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people are free to react to the message of the pastor (never suggested they weren't), MLK, or people openly practicing Islam after 9/11. It's just killing random people in response to such is irrational, illegal, and wrong
 
Who has justified their response?
ManofthPeephole said:
people are free to react to the message of the pastor (never suggested they weren't), MLK, or people openly practicing Islam after 9/11. It's just killing random people in response to such is irrational, illegal, and wrong
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Barbbtx said:
If Muslims started burning Bibles, I'd be the first to say I don't blame them. After all, the jerk of a pastor burned the koran. If Americans killed Muslims because some had burned bibles, I only hold the Americans accountable.
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I agree with you here except the difference with your last statement is Pastor Jones was forewarned of the potential that American lives would be lost if he carried out his act. To that, he acted irresponsibly. Still, I understand your point of view as well as those who share same. Like you, I, too blame radical Muslims for this murdurous act, but it would not have happened if Pastor Jones had left things well enough alone as he was cautioned to do.
 
Objective Voice said:
Again, I am NOT defending the radicals, but if people can't see how irresponsible Pastor Jones' actions were, well...I can't help you.
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They were not mere pawns or marionettes. They were not hapless defenders of their lives or their religion. Mr. Jones was a fool, but not the dangerous and bloody one, nor was he the one who told them to attack people and to murder them. Mr. Jones is the man that deserves a quick comment and then to be forgotten, while the men that so unjustifiably kill deserve the world's condemnation and be held as examples of men who violate God with unbelievable force.
 
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ManofthPeephole said:
And if you can't understand that it's inconsistent just to apply such logic to certain circumstances, that you are unsympathetic to, then you have some serious intellectual deficiencies
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Dude. You can't apply every argument to every situation - this is why we have states' rights, why education for regular kids differs from that for special needs kids, why we fight different in Iraq then we do in Germany. Every situation is different and should be handled accordingly. Calling me "intellectually deficient" doesn't change that fact and it certainly does not make your argument any stronger.

I'll repeat my argument one more time: It is irresponsible to burn a Koran when you have been warned that such actions might provoke murderers to kill innocent people. And before you bring in any more bogus examples, let me make it clear that "perceived provocation" and "actual provocation" are different things - I am talking about the latter.
 
Grant said:
There is always that "but" from the apologists.
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Laura Ingraham calls that a but monkey. :)

Like, saying "I'm all for free speech, but I want Limbaugh taken off the air"
 
They both deserve condemnation. Them for killing him for instigating and hiding behind our freedoms to purposefully enrage people. Not just those who killed but freedom loving Muslims who have fought and died for his freedoms. He is a bad American. That should be condemned.
Fiddytree said:
They were not mere pawns or marionettes. They were not hapless defenders of their lives or their religion. Mr. Jones was a fool, but not the dangerous and bloody one, nor was he the one who told them to attack people and to murder them. Mr. Jones is the man that deserves a quick comment and then to be forgotten, while the men that kill so undeservedly deserve the world's condemnation.
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ManofthPeephole said:
You just suggested the only reaction possible was murdering people
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Of course it is, MOTP. It's their way and who are we to criticize.

The same impeccable logic that some of these posters are espousing dictates that any women who is not in a full mummy suit is asking to be gang raped, and after being gang raped, she should be stoned to death for being a slut. Only the women who are properly entombed have any reason whatsoever to think they shouldn't be raped.
 
I am all for free speech but I condemn those without question when they use it simply to disrespect people. And so should you. Doesn't mean we prosicute him.
Barbbtx said:
Laura Ingraham calls that a but monkey. :)

Like, saying "I'm all for free speech, but I want Limbaugh taken off the air"
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theplaydrive said:
Dude. You can't apply every argument to every situation - this is why we have states' rights, why education for regular kids differs from that for special needs kids, why we fight different in Iraq then we do in Germany.
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Special needs kids represent solid examples of circumstances that are clearly different, hence it isn't logically inconsistent to approach both in separate ways. In your justification for applying your logic to certain certain circumstances, and not others, you cited your belief that the message was provocative. Simply amounting to you not liking it . Such isn't a solid circumstance for applying two separate sets of logic. Hence, to attempt to, is logical inconsistent and a clear example of special pleading

Sorry if that goes over your head. i suggest additional schooling
 
Mikeyy said:
Now I hear the nutjob preacher wants to stir up more stuff. Somebody needs to kick his ass.
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I'd be more than happy to pony up for your bus ticket.
 
That is a bit of a reach. I don't know anyone here who would use that logic but you apperantly
Gardener said:
Of course it is, MOTP. It's their way and who are we to criticize.

The same impeccable logic that some of these posters are espousing dictates that any women who is not in a full mummy suit is asking to be gang raped, and after being gang raped, she should be stoned to death for being a slut. Only the women who are properly entombed have any reason whatsoever to think they shouldn't be raped.
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The Giant Noodle said:
These Muslims are insane! They act like drunk children that are hate-filled. People that worship Satan are better people than these Islamic animals!! They are barbarians! They killed 12 people because someone burned their book! 12 people DEAD... horribly murdered.... brutally murdered. Because of a book that was burned. Im all for nuking that whole area and wiping out these crazy people! --
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What I find strange is that there have been at least four public Quran burnings in the UK (1 about 45 miles from my town) since Pastor Jones first threatened to burn his copy and no reaction from muslims anywhere in the world.

Was it because he made a show trial and recorded it for TV or simply because he's American?
 
I don't ride buses. You seem to support his actions. Are you anti Muslim or one of those who feel we are trying to curtail jones's rights
Gardener said:
I'd be more than happy to pony up for your bus ticket.
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I think it was Karzai making it an issue. And our media giving air time to a guy with 12 followers
Infinite Chaos said:
What I find strange is that there have been at least four public Quran burnings in the UK (1 about 45 miles from my town) since Pastor Jones first threatened to burn his copy and no reaction from muslims anywhere in the world.

Was it because he made a show trial and recorded it for TV or simply because he's American?
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Mikeyy said:
How did I do that? You have suggested Jones holds no responsability and you refuse to condemn him without a "but".
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Right, you brought up a situation you said would illicit a response from me, and that the people verbally attacking my daughter would be responsible for such. In asking such a question, in the present circumstances, you assume that the response of violence is the only one possible, and that the person responding held no choice in how they responded.

I have a choice to attack a little girl, or not, and can just as easily verbally correct them or call their mothers. Making me solely responsible for how I go about doing so
 
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Mikeyy said:
I don't ride buses. You seem to support his actions.
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Yeah -- that's why I have called him a moron more than once. :roll:

Mikeyy said:
Are you anti Muslim or one of those who feel we are trying to curtail jones's rights
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Just somebody with a triple digit I.Q.
 
Mikeyy said:
I don't ride buses. You seem to support his actions. Are you anti Muslim or one of those who feel we are trying to curtail jones's rights
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why do you continue to think anyone that disagrees with you is antiislamic? Maybe they just disagree with your dislike of free speech, which you already openly supported curtailing
 
Mikeyy said:
That is a bit of a reach. I don't know anyone here who would use that logic but you apperantly
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you are using that logic, though. Just applying it to different circumstances
 
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