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Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

PeteEU said:
He is no man of god. He is as cold blooded as the murders in Afghanistan. He knew exactly what he was doing and what reaction there would be against it. He provoked the murders of Afghanistan and should stand trial for at least man-slaughter if not out right murder. Alternatively he should be extradited to Afghanistan or any Muslim nation who wants him and let them deal with his hatemongering.
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Did you notice how the protestors immediated shouted "Death to America"? Yeah, either morons or totally staged.
 
I have to wonder if all the people in this thread that are so enraged at the pastor and calling him a murder get as indignant over the burning of the flag and the killing of americans or protests chanting death to america and the murdering of americans....lets get real here....the pastor has done ALOT less than the muslims have over the years to US...and its NOT terrorists its just regular ole everyday murderous type muslims...
 
The Giant Noodle said:
These Muslims are insane! They act like drunk children that are hate-filled. People that worship Satan are better people than these Islamic animals!! They are barbarians! They killed 12 people because someone burned their book! 12 people DEAD... horribly murdered.... brutally murdered. Because of a book that was burned. Im all for nuking that whole area and wiping out these crazy people!



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Nukes? Really Noodle? how would that make you any better than them? It would then be just a chain of overreactions.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
These Muslims are insane! They act like drunk children that are hate-filled. People that worship Satan are better people than these Islamic animals!! They are barbarians! They killed 12 people because someone burned their book! 12 people DEAD... horribly murdered.... brutally murdered. Because of a book that was burned. Im all for nuking that whole area and wiping out these crazy people!



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Ah yes noodle.

Genocide is clearly the answer.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Ah yes noodle.

Genocide is clearly the answer.
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I'm surprised how often I have to mention that such an act is in fact genocide. I had someone in a class years ago in high school say the wars in the MidEast would be easier if we just "nuked the whole place"---and that IS a direct quote, it left that much of an impression in my mind to this day. When I hear repeats/echoes of that sentiment I get a bit depressed that people actually think that's a solution of some kind.

I also agree with the sentiment expressed prior that retaliation against the entire area for the acts of a few monstrous zealots would be poor precedent---I certainly don't want to be judged based on the pastor's remarks and actions (although that's exactly why the reaction was so virulent in places like Afghanistan; they have no idea that huge numbers of us disown the Koran-burning), nor should I be.
 
Mr. Jones said in an interview with Agence France-Presse on Friday that he was “devastated” by the killings of 12 people in a violent protest in Afghanistan when a mob, enraged by the burning of a Koran by Mr. Jones’s church, attacked the United Nations compound in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif. “We don’t feel responsible for that,” he told the news service.
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I'm sure he felt devastated, before or after burning the book?
If he doesn't feel responsible, he should feel guilt. He willingly provoked it knowing the response may be violent.

But still, the blame ultimately lies with those who caused the murder.

Oh and lol at genocide. lol
 
lpast said:
I have to wonder if all the people in this thread that are so enraged at the pastor and calling him a murder get as indignant over the burning of the flag and the killing of americans or protests chanting death to america and the murdering of americans....lets get real here....the pastor has done ALOT less than the muslims have over the years to US...and its NOT terrorists its just regular ole everyday murderous type muslims...
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Fair question. Though I wouldn't call the man a murderer, I call his rhetoric and bookburning irresponsible, he's not responsible for the retaliation killing 12 people but he is certainly responsible for being a bigot.
 
Laila said:
I'm sure he felt devastated, before or after burning the book?
If he doesn't feel responsible, he should feel guilt. He willingly provoked it knowing the response may be violent.

But still, the blame ultimately lies with those who caused the murder.

Oh and lol at genocide. lol
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Yeah, the genocide comment is uncalled for. However, we live in a free country and the threats of violence by barbarians who get provoked by silly things should not be something to make us feel guilty.
 
megaprogman said:
Yeah, the genocide comment is uncalled for. However, we live in a free country and the threats of violence by barbarians who get provoked by silly things should not be something to make us feel guilty.
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It is when your actions directly has a link to the deaths of innocent individuals.
If your any kind of human being, you would feel guilt.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
They JUST didnt die. They were BRUTALLY MURDERED!!! Why? Because some guy on the other side of the Earth burned their book. Religion SUCKS! And especially the muslim religion. They are murders and barbarians.
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Whoa! You're on a roll :)

Preach it, bro
 
People shouldn't burn the sacred texts of proven murderers/terrorists. People shouldn't murder people over burning a book. Both are true, it's funny to me how many refuse to accept the former and only accept the latter. It's stupid to kill someone for burning a book, but it's also stupid to taunt/mock people who you already know are crazy enough to kill for such an action. If I were that pastor, I'd feel pretty bad.
 
Mass murder. Burning of a book. Mass murder. Burning of a book. Yeah, those two actions are sure the same and carry the same moral implications!

A stupid pastor does something potentially provocative. People are mass murdered. If folks cannot figure out that the link between these two events is not only tenuous, but so wildly dissimilar in terms of morality, then they are beyond hope.

Heck, just the other day a couple of people were attacked at a Dodger Game for wearing Giants caps. One is now fighting for his life. How absolutely stupid it would be to focus on equating the wearing of the giants cap with the beating the guy senseless in terms of assigning responsibility.

"wull, gee -- if he didn't wear the Giant's cap to a Dodger game......"
 
PeteEU said:
He is no man of god. He is as cold blooded as the murders in Afghanistan. He knew exactly what he was doing and what reaction there would be against it. He provoked the murders of Afghanistan and should stand trial for at least man-slaughter if not out right murder. Alternatively he should be extradited to Afghanistan or any Muslim nation who wants him and let them deal with his hatemongering.
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You have gone off the deep end with this one.
 
Gardener said:
Mass murder. Burning of a book. Mass murder. Burning of a book. Yeah, those two actions are sure the same and carry the same moral implications!

A stupid pastor does something potentially provocative. People are mass murdered. If folks cannot figure out that the link between these two events is not only tenuous, but so wildly dissimilar in terms of morality, then they are beyond hope.

Heck, just the other day a couple of people were attacked at a Dodger Game for wearing Giants caps. One is now fighting for his life. How absolutely stupid it would be to focus on equating the wearing of the giants cap with the beating the guy senseless in terms of assigning responsibility.

"wull, gee -- if he didn't wear the Giant's cap to a Dodger game......"
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Who is to say the 12 people were killed because the book was burned.

Maybe the attack was planned long before that.

Did the murderers run in screaming "burned book"?
 
TheBook said:
I doubt there is much to back this up. He was a moronic hatemonger, but that doesn't make him a murderer.
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If he knew in advance that burning a Koran would lead to murder, then yes, he is a murderer too. It's not much different than a Mafia Don saying that someone needs to be rubbed out, and then others go and do the killing for him. Technically, the Mafia Don is just as innocent as this hate mongering pastor.
 
PeteEU said:
He is no man of god. He is as cold blooded as the murders in Afghanistan. He knew exactly what he was doing and what reaction there would be against it. He provoked the murders of Afghanistan and should stand trial for at least man-slaughter if not out right murder. Alternatively he should be extradited to Afghanistan or any Muslim nation who wants him and let them deal with his hatemongering.
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Wow! How illegal would that be? :lamo

You have zero concept of how our laws work. Right?
 
The Giant Noodle said:
These Muslims are insane! They act like drunk children that are hate-filled. People that worship Satan are better people than these Islamic animals!! They are barbarians! They killed 12 people because someone burned their book! 12 people DEAD... horribly murdered.... brutally murdered. Because of a book that was burned. Im all for nuking that whole area and wiping out these crazy people!



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You say These Muslims are insane. If you know that why tweek them? Do you tweek insane people here in this country just to see if they go off? Like I said before, Terry Jones can get his ass on a plane and go to a Muslim country and do this sort of stuff. See how long his little games last there. If an American soldier dies because an "insane" Muslim was upset about this you know he will take no responsability. Just like he doesn't now. Ya know Charles Manson is in prison for the rest of his life. Why? because he talked other people in to killing people. He didn't kill anyone but he drugged people up and helped it happen. If you don't think Jones is responable for anything we might as well let Charlie out too.
 
PeteEU said:
He is no man of god. He is as cold blooded as the murders in Afghanistan. He knew exactly what he was doing and what reaction there would be against it. He provoked the murders of Afghanistan and should stand trial for at least man-slaughter if not out right murder.
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The man in Florida didn't do **** to provoke the murders. It is some silly **** to even suggestion that he should stand trial for what grown adult men on the other side of the globe did.


Alternatively he should be extradited to Afghanistan or any Muslim nation who wants him and let them deal with his hatemongering.
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I realize that in your country the authorities have listened to the Eurotrash retards and decided to enact so called hate speech laws. So he would be fined and possibly jailed. But in the US we have this thing called free speech and courts have ruled that burning stuff is a form of speech. So nothing is going to happen to him.

I do find it troubling you would want someone extradited to a Muslim country for not only burning a book but offending Muslims. You do realize that about almost everything a non-Muslim does offends die hard Muslims? Should a Christian who was a muslim be extradited, what about a prostitute, a woman who is not covering her head, Homosexuals or anyone else who has done something that Muslims consider offensive?
 
Mikeyy said:
You say These Muslims are insane. If you know that why tweek them? Do you tweek insane people here in this country just to see if they go off? Like I said before, Terry Jones can get his ass on a plane and go to a Muslim country and do this sort of stuff. See how long his little games last there. If an American soldier dies because an "insane" Muslim was upset about this you know he will take no responsability. Just like he doesn't now.
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You must be one of those people that is intimidated by the Islamofacists and is willing to sacrifice your rights to appease them.

Ya know Charles Manson is in prison for the rest of his life. Why? because he talked other people in to killing people. He didn't kill anyone but he drugged people up and helped it happen. If you don't think Jones is responable for anything we might as well let Charlie out too.
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Ready to throw our rights and laws out the window to appease the Muslims, much?
 
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Mikeyy said:
You say These Muslims are insane. If you know that why tweek them? Do you tweek insane people here in this country just to see if they go off? Like I said before, Terry Jones can get his ass on a plane and go to a Muslim country and do this sort of stuff. See how long his little games last there. If an American soldier dies because an "insane" Muslim was upset about this you know he will take no responsability. Just like he doesn't now. Ya know Charles Manson is in prison for the rest of his life. Why? because he talked other people in to killing people. He didn't kill anyone but he drugged people up and helped it happen. If you don't think Jones is responable for anything we might as well let Charlie out too.
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The problem is these extremist Muslims are not by any means "insane." They are radical and probably have some insane members, but radical Muslims as a whole are lead by cold calculating and smart leaders who know exactly what they are doing. Jones was not insane either. He was a man at the end of his rope and he knew it. He decided death was better than prison and decided to take his followers with him.

Someone who is a sociopath (for example) is not necessarily insane by any stretch of the imagination.
 
So your choices are 1. I am intimidated and afraid or 2. Tweek them and enjoy it? How about doing the American thing and show respect for other people religious beliefs. That seems like a good third option. Doesn't mean you have to bend over to islamists. There are choices in life. Big bigger then them. How's that for a choice?
 
The interesting thing is what no one has touched upon.

The people who did the murdering were not members of Taliban or some sort of Extremist organisation.

Do you know Afghan's didn't blink an eye at the pictures of their civilians being tortured and killed by US Soldiers. So used to seeing death no doubt
And yet those same ordinary citizens are the ones who surrounded the UN building and killed the people because this was something even more personal they felt was insulted.

It was irresponsible of him to increase the danger of the Soldiers stationed there just to make a political statement.
If he had the guts to go to a Muslim country and do it, I may have more respect for him
 
Then why do it if you were not trying to get a reaction? Nah, that ain't gonna fly my friend. He was hoping for exactly what happened and now plays innocent.
 
Mikeyy said:
Then why do it if you were not trying to get a reaction? Nah, that ain't gonna fly my friend. He was hoping for exactly what happened and now plays innocent.
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He knew of the reaction he would get and still did it to get the reaction.

That makes him as responsible morally imo
 
Laila said:
It is when your actions directly has a link to the deaths of innocent individuals.
If your any kind of human being, you would feel guilt.
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Except for the fact his actions were not direct. He burned a book, then people chose to take enough offense to go totally overboard. Its all on the murderers.
 
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