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Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

The Giant Noodle

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These Muslims are insane! They act like drunk children that are hate-filled. People that worship Satan are better people than these Islamic animals!! They are barbarians! They killed 12 people because someone burned their book! 12 people DEAD... horribly murdered.... brutally murdered. Because of a book that was burned. Im all for nuking that whole area and wiping out these crazy people!

Mr. Jones said in an interview with Agence France-Presse on Friday that he was “devastated” by the killings of 12 people in a violent protest in Afghanistan when a mob, enraged by the burning of a Koran by Mr. Jones’s church, attacked the United Nations compound in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif. “We don’t feel responsible for that,” he told the news service.
Unlike the worldwide outcry that greeted the pastor’s plan to burn 200 copies of the Koran on Sept. 11 — which he ultimately abandoned — the event last week at the 50-member church was largely ignored by the news media. As of 2 p.m. on Friday, the video of the Koran’s burning on the church Web site had been viewed only 1,500 times.

'Horrible tragedy'
“The local strategy of everybody was to ignore this,” said the Rev. Lawrence D. Reimer, pastor of the United Church of Gainesville. “It’s just a horrible tragedy that this act triggered the deaths of more innocent people.”

Some church members were surprised by the violent reaction in Afghanistan on Friday, said Fran Ingram, an assistant at the church. She explained that it was decided in the weeks leading up to the burning that a jury of churchgoers and volunteers would hear both sides before deciding what to do.

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These Muslims are insane! They act like drunk children that are hate-filled. People that worship Satan are better people than these Islamic animals!! They are barbarians! They killed 12 people because someone burned their book! 12 people DEAD... horribly murdered.... brutally murdered. Because of a book that was burned. Im all for nuking that whole area and wiping out these crazy people!



CONTINUED w/ video: NYT: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution - US news - The New York Times - msnbc.com


12 people died that means nuclear genocide is necessary. Also it's god's book, AND theirs.

Also, American schoolchildren take guns to class and kill eachother and theyre 1/3 obese useless loafs. Evidence that the society as a whole needs vaporised off the face of the earth.
 
12 people died that means nuclear genocide is necessary. Also it's god's book, AND theirs.

Also, American schoolchildren take guns to class and kill eachother and theyre 1/3 obese useless loafs. Evidence that the society as a whole needs vaporised off the face of the earth.

They JUST didnt die. They were BRUTALLY MURDERED!!! Why? Because some guy on the other side of the Earth burned their book. Religion SUCKS! And especially the muslim religion. They are murders and barbarians.
 
He is no man of god. He is as cold blooded as the murders in Afghanistan. He knew exactly what he was doing and what reaction there would be against it. He provoked the murders of Afghanistan and should stand trial for at least man-slaughter if not out right murder. Alternatively he should be extradited to Afghanistan or any Muslim nation who wants him and let them deal with his hatemongering.
 
They JUST didnt die. They were BRUTALLY MURDERED!!! Why? Because some guy on the other side of the Earth burned their book. Religion SUCKS! And especially the muslim religion. They are murders and barbarians.

Of course, because no one EVER used justification other than religion to commit atrocities.

This was just another case of zealots provoking zealots. Without religion, both sides still would've found some reason to justify their moronic behavior.
 
He is no man of god. He is as cold blooded as the murders in Afghanistan. He knew exactly what he was doing and what reaction there would be against it. He provoked the murders of Afghanistan and should stand trial for at least man-slaughter if not out right murder. Alternatively he should be extradited to Afghanistan or any Muslim nation who wants him and let them deal with his hatemongering.

I doubt there is much to back this up. He was a moronic hatemonger, but that doesn't make him a murderer.
 
He is no man of god. He is as cold blooded as the murders in Afghanistan. He knew exactly what he was doing and what reaction there would be against it. He provoked the murders of Afghanistan and should stand trial for at least man-slaughter if not out right murder. Alternatively he should be extradited to Afghanistan or any Muslim nation who wants him and let them deal with his hatemongering.

Why? He didnt do ANYTHING wrong. So what if he burned the book? Big deal! Get over it! You dont go out and BEHEAD... slowly slice off a fellow humans HEAD!!!!! On 12 people!!!! On 12 INNOCENT people!!! Maybe that book IS evil. It just made a mob murder 12 innocent people!!!!
 
These Muslims are insane! They act like drunk children that are hate-filled. People that worship Satan are better people than these Islamic animals!! They are barbarians! They killed 12 people because someone burned their book! 12 people DEAD... horribly murdered.... brutally murdered. Because of a book that was burned. Im all for nuking that whole area and wiping out these crazy people!
i'm all for taking out the murderers but i'm not so keen on nuking the whole area and wiping out innocent people that had nothing to do with this.
 
He is no man of god. He is as cold blooded as the murders in Afghanistan. He knew exactly what he was doing and what reaction there would be against it. He provoked the murders of Afghanistan and should stand trial for at least man-slaughter if not out right murder. Alternatively he should be extradited to Afghanistan or any Muslim nation who wants him and let them deal with his hatemongering.

You can't be serious. I can't agree with the actions of this so-called 'pastor' in Florida, but to extradite him? He didn't commit any crime on Afghan soil... there is no basis for extradition and you know it. The people who murdered the twelve innocent people in Afghanistan are FULLY CULPABLE for their murders. I actually appreciate the response to the local community in Florida to basically ignore the stunt. I wish they hadn't done it, but they had every right to do it under the Constitution of the United States.
 
i'm all for taking out the murderers but i'm not so keen on nuking the whole area and wiping out innocent people that had nothing to do with this.

Ok fair enough. It would be a LOT easier though! But youre right. murder those that killed innocent people! Can you even IMAGINE the mentality that you would cut off the heads of innocent people... 12 of them.... because some dude burned a book? You can replace a book. But you cant replace the people.
 
Ok fair enough. It would be a LOT easier though! But youre right. murder those that killed innocent people! Can you even IMAGINE the mentality that you would cut off the heads of innocent people... 12 of them.... because some dude burned a book? You can replace a book. But you cant replace the people.
noodle what are you thinking. it would not be a lot easier. that would make you no better than the crazies that do messed up stuff like this. i can't say it enough and i'll keep saying it no matter how many times i have to. do not associate all muslims with these ****ed up extremists. please.
 
I can say that the Pastor in Florida knew he was going to set off a firestorm among Radical Islamic Cultists, and he should also know that he has put himself and everyone in the You Tube video's life at risk for what was not a Christian act.



Fighting Radicals by antagonizing them only breads more of what you claim to oppose.

He would have made a much better point had he just made a quality video to post explaining what makes Islam a dangerous Cult and not a true religion.

I believe Terry Jones is a halfwit who is dangerous and hateful.

As to those who killed what is now said to be 12 people with 2 of them being beheaded? We need to make it clear to the world that what was done by Jones was not a representation of how World is or acts and that by going on a rampage they only encourage people like Jones to keep doing things like book burnings.

As to what we should do to Jones? Nothing. Make sure he gets no press unless of until he is Killed by Radicals.
 
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He is no man of god. He is as cold blooded as the murders in Afghanistan. He knew exactly what he was doing and what reaction there would be against it. He provoked the murders of Afghanistan and should stand trial for at least man-slaughter if not out right murder. Alternatively he should be extradited to Afghanistan or any Muslim nation who wants him and let them deal with his hatemongering.

There's simply no common sense or logic in your demands. He is not a murderer and he did not commit manslaughter, supplying the excuse for another person's decision to commit murder is not the same as committing manslaughter let alone as committing murder. Secondly there is no logical basis to your demand to extradite him to Afghanistan.
 
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12 people died that means nuclear genocide is necessary. Also it's god's book, AND theirs.

No.

It was the minister's book, or one of his parishioners. And in the United States that means the book can be destroyed by it's ower.

If a bunch of cave men in another country decide to riot over that, the other country needs to learn how to control their cave men. There's no need for anyone in the United States to do anything, and certainly nothing should be done in the way of banning future private-property disposal sessions.



Also, American schoolchildren take guns to class and kill eachother and theyre 1/3 obese useless loafs. Evidence that the society as a whole needs vaporised off the face of the earth.[/QUOTE]
 
He is no man of god. He is as cold blooded as the murders in Afghanistan. He knew exactly what he was doing and what reaction there would be against it. He provoked the murders of Afghanistan and should stand trial for at least man-slaughter if not out right murder. Alternatively he should be extradited to Afghanistan or any Muslim nation who wants him and let them deal with his hatemongering.

No.

He burned a book.

That's it.

He is not responsible for the insane reactions of devotees of an unsane religion 12,000 miles away.
 
Fighting Radicals by antagonizing them only breads more of what you claim to oppose.

Makes perfect sense. After all, the corollary to the above statement is that Fighting radicals by doing everything they want and treating them with the utmost respect and never ever saying a harsh word against them will certainly turn them to the side of Jesus and love.

Right?

He would have made a much better point had he just made a quality video to post explaining what makes Islam a dangerous Cult and not a true religion.

Then what would they have done with the marshmallows?

He's in the United States, there's nothing wrong with burning a koran, anywhere, and there's nothing illegal with burning one here, unless it's tied to a muslim. That's probably not kosher, but that's not what happened anyway.

The First Amendment gives Americans the right to commit controlled arson in protest.

I believe Terry Jones is a halfwit who is dangerous and hateful.

Doesn't matter. He's a citizen with full rights and freedoms in the United States, and that means he's free to cook the books in that special way of his.

As to those who killed what is now said to be 12 people with 2 of them being beheaded? We need to make it clear to the world that what was done by Jones was not a representation of how World is or acts and that by going on a rampage they only encourage people like Jones to keep doing things like book burnings.

No. Burnin the books is how the freedoms in the United States most certainly works, and crazy beheadings and murders by ISLAMIC TERRORISTS (to use words the guy in White House banned) are how other parts of the world works. Terry Jones and his posse possibly did some in the world a favor by putting the lie to the silly notion promoted by Bush and defended by Obama that Islam is a religion of peace.

Islam is a religion that leads to the most heinous acts of violence seen in the modern world.

As to what we should do to Jones? Nothing. Make sure he gets no press unless of until he is Killed by Radicals.

So censorship is your solution. Don't do anything to deal with the crazy people who cut heads off, just keep walking on eggshells and hoping the yolk's not getting on you.
 
Ok fair enough. It would be a LOT easier though! But youre right. murder those that killed innocent people! Can you even IMAGINE the mentality that you would cut off the heads of innocent people... 12 of them.... because some dude burned a book? You can replace a book. But you cant replace the people.

Because everyone knows the easier option is always the best one.

Killing hundreds of thousands of innocents CERTAINLY won't be like directing an oil pipeline to put out a fire.
 
Makes perfect sense. After all, the corollary to the above statement is that Fighting radicals by doing everything they want and treating them with the utmost respect and never ever saying a harsh word against them will certainly turn them to the side of Jesus and love.

Right?

I forgot those were the only two options. Silly me and my "shades of grey."

Then what would they have done with the marshmallows?

He's in the United States, there's nothing wrong with burning a koran, anywhere, and there's nothing illegal with burning one here, unless it's tied to a muslim. That's probably not kosher, but that's not what happened anyway.

The First Amendment gives Americans the right to commit controlled arson in protest.

Having the right to do something doesn't always mean someone should do something. Just because the WBC has the right to picket funerals doesn't mean they should picket funerals.

Doesn't matter. He's a citizen with full rights and freedoms in the United States, and that means he's free to cook the books in that special way of his.

True enough. We're all free to call him a moron.

No. Burnin the books is how the freedoms in the United States most certainly works, and crazy beheadings and murders by ISLAMIC TERRORISTS (to use words the guy in White House banned) are how other parts of the world works. Terry Jones and his posse possibly did some in the world a favor by putting the lie to the silly notion promoted by Bush and defended by Obama that Islam is a religion of peace.

Islam is a religion that leads to the most heinous acts of violence seen in the modern world.

I forgot that isolated incidents apply universally. Also, does this mean you're arguing that Stalin and Hitler were Muslims now? As I'd say they still hold the title for most heinous acts in the modern world so far.

So censorship is your solution. Don't do anything to deal with the crazy people who cut heads off, just keep walking on eggshells and hoping the yolk's not getting on you.

Ah, a nice strawman to top it off. I don't recall councilman mentioning anything about censoring him, just ignoring him, which works for me. Attention Whores live on attention, after all. Actually, that whole quote has basically nothing to do with what it's responding to.
 
Makes perfect sense. After all, the corollary to the above statement is that Fighting radicals by doing everything they want and treating them with the utmost respect and never ever saying a harsh word against them will certainly turn them to the side of Jesus and love.

Right?



Then what would they have done with the marshmallows?

He's in the United States, there's nothing wrong with burning a koran, anywhere, and there's nothing illegal with burning one here, unless it's tied to a muslim. That's probably not kosher, but that's not what happened anyway.

The First Amendment gives Americans the right to commit controlled arson in protest.



Doesn't matter. He's a citizen with full rights and freedoms in the United States, and that means he's free to cook the books in that special way of his.



No. Burnin the books is how the freedoms in the United States most certainly works, and crazy beheadings and murders by ISLAMIC TERRORISTS (to use words the guy in White House banned) are how other parts of the world works. Terry Jones and his posse possibly did some in the world a favor by putting the lie to the silly notion promoted by Bush and defended by Obama that Islam is a religion of peace.

Islam is a religion that leads to the most heinous acts of violence seen in the modern world.



So censorship is your solution. Don't do anything to deal with the crazy people who cut heads off, just keep walking on eggshells and hoping the yolk's not getting on you.

You are correct. In the US, his First Amendment rights allow him to, legally, burn the Koran. The question isn't whether he had the right... of course he did. The question is, does it make sense, it is the prudent thing to do? For example, you are a pedestrian walking across the street. The light is red, so you have the right of way. A car, not caring about the right of way, comes speeding your way. Do you keep walking, because you have the right of way... getting hit in the process?

Sometimes exercising your rights solely because you can is pretty stupid. Words and actions have consequences, even if the are a right or are legal.
 
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I forgot those were the only two options. Silly me and my "shades of grey."

Yeah, the alternative is to ignore the looney preacher and do as much damage as possible to the looney terrorists.


Having the right to do something doesn't always mean someone should do something. Just because the WBC has the right to picket funerals doesn't mean they should picket funerals.

Not the point being made by the loonies posting here. Some want a man exercising his freedoms in America to be held criminally liable for the antics of animals overseas. Others want him banned from the media.

Clearly there's an easy solution to the picketing of funerals by lawyers pretending to be religious nuts. Make it a misdemeanor for anyone attending a funeral to break the legs of anyone protesting that funeral. The fine shall be $10 per tibia, with a maximum of 1 night in jail.

That'll put a stop to that nonsense real fast. Mayor Snorkum has no idea what pestering lawyers has to do with terrorists and animals in Afghanland, but you saw something.
 
He is no man of god. He is as cold blooded as the murders in Afghanistan. He knew exactly what he was doing and what reaction there would be against it. He provoked the murders of Afghanistan and should stand trial for at least man-slaughter if not out right murder. Alternatively he should be extradited to Afghanistan or any Muslim nation who wants him and let them deal with his hatemongering.

This argument is as idiotic as the Muslims who think that it is OK to kill people for what the preacher did. People are responsible for their own behaviors, Pete. The people who were killed by the Muslim extremists... the fault of their deaths are 100% because of the Muslim extremists. The preacher has ZERO responsibility in that. His responsibility is exercising his rights in an irresponsible and idiotic way.
 
Not the point being made by the loonies posting here. Some want a man exercising his freedoms in America to be held criminally liable for the antics of animals overseas. Others want him banned from the media.

Clearly there's an easy solution to the picketing of funerals by lawyers pretending to be religious nuts. Make it a misdemeanor for anyone attending a funeral to break the legs of anyone protesting that funeral. The fine shall be $10 per tibia, with a maximum of 1 night in jail.

That'll put a stop to that nonsense real fast. Mayor Snorkum has no idea what pestering lawyers has to do with terrorists and animals in Afghanland, but you saw something.

I'll just ignore the assault bit all the inconsistencies that come with it.

Some made that point, true. Councilman was simply stating what he believed to be the best way of dealing with him. He wasn't saying the guy should be censored, simply that the media shouldn't cover his antics. No part of the 1st amendment requires media outlets to put guys like this on the air.
 
You are correct. In the US, his First Amendment rights allow him to, legally, burn the Koran. The question isn't whether he had the right... of course he did. The question is, does it make sense, it is the prudent thing to do? For example, you are a pedestrian walking across the street. The light is red, so you have the right of way. A car, not caring about the right of way, comes speeding your way. Do you keep walking, because you have the right of way... getting hit in the process?

Sometimes exercising your rights solely because you can is pretty stupid. Words and actions have consequences, even if the are a right or are legal.

The question is, where are you people getting off judging him? Okay, you have that right as well, so fine, but the whole exercise turns into a circle jerk once all the adults figure out that Jones had the freedom to act as he did and that questions about the wisdom of the act are irrelevant since there's no law preventing Jones from doing exactly the same thing five times a day when the muslims are called to prayer.

The fault for the incident does not lie with Jones. The damage was done by malignant children embraced by a religion of hatred and insanity.

That should be the focus of the discussion, what to do about the crazy animals with the headsman's paring knife.

Mayor Snorkum's position is that the United States should unilaterally withdraw from Islamic lands with the caveat that if ANY islamic terrorist act ever again occurs on US soil or at US embassies or against US military or commercially flagged ships that the United States is going to make the originating nation a bubbling mass of glass, without wasting time on useless recourse to the UN or NATO or anyone.
 
The question is, where are you people getting off judging him? Okay, you have that right as well, so fine, but the whole exercise turns into a circle jerk once all the adults figure out that Jones had the freedom to act as he did and that questions about the wisdom of the act are irrelevant since there's no law preventing Jones from doing exactly the same thing five times a day when the muslims are called to prayer.

Of course he had the right. That's irrelevant, though, as to whether he showed good judgment in exercising that right. He didn't.

The fault for the incident does not lie with Jones. The damage was done by malignant children embraced by a religion of hatred and insanity.

Read my other post. I agree that the responsibility for the murders lie with those who committed the murders.

That should be the focus of the discussion, what to do about the crazy animals with the headsman's paring knife.

The discussion is twofold. The insanity and barbarism of the Muslim extremists who committed the murders and the irresponsibility of Jones for exercising his rights in an irresponsible way. Both statements are accurate.

Mayor Snorkum's position is that the United States should unilaterally withdraw from Islamic lands with the caveat that if ANY islamic terrorist act ever again occurs on US soil or at US embassies or against US military or commercially flagged ships that the United States is going to make the originating nation a bubbling mass of glass, without wasting time on useless recourse to the UN or NATO or anyone.

And Mayor Snorkum's position is quite short-sighted and narrow. If a citizen of another country enacts a terrorist act on a US citizen, the country of origin of that first citizen is not necessarily responsible for that individual's behavior.

Mayor Snorkum needs to take his blinders off and realize that there are shades of gray to situations such as these.
 
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The question is, where are you people getting off judging him? Okay, you have that right as well, so fine, but the whole exercise turns into a circle jerk once all the adults figure out that Jones had the freedom to act as he did and that questions about the wisdom of the act are irrelevant since there's no law preventing Jones from doing exactly the same thing five times a day when the muslims are called to prayer.

Just because an action is legal doesn't mean it cannot (or should not) be questioned.



Mayor Snorkum's position is that the United States should unilaterally withdraw from Islamic lands with the caveat that if ANY islamic terrorist act ever again occurs on US soil or at US embassies or against US military or commercially flagged ships that the United States is going to make the originating nation a bubbling mass of glass, without wasting time on useless recourse to the UN or NATO or anyone.

Would you agree with this measure if it was held by all countries? i.e. If a single person affiliated with the united states performs a terrorist act in our country then the United States must be nuked?
 
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