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Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland Sec

Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

please explain for us how a matter investigated by the inspector general, where no illegal activities were found, is then temed "corrupt"

We're talking about your boy's open government policy, why don't you read the OP. How about subverting FOIA requests and running them through a political team? Nothing corrupt there, no sirree. :roll: Now how about your classless post about whiners? Who's whining now about getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar?
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

We're talking about your boy's open government policy, why don't you read the OP.
actually, i was referring to your post, where you term actions to have been "corrupt" despite the IG investigation finding that no illegality was evident:
Another classless post attempting to protect the corrupt.
i will now accept that you haven't any understanding of the word "corrupt", since you use it inappropriately

How about subverting FOIA requests ...
and now you prove to us that you similarly have no understanding of the word, "subvert"
and running them through a political team?
the head of homeland security wants to monitor the nature of inquiries seeking to find out her movements. no way could al qaeda seek to use such insider information to harm a senior administration official in another strike
Nothing corrupt there, no sirree. :roll:
finally, you got something right. the IG report concludes no illegal activities were found. if there is corruption then the IG would have also identified illegal activities
Now how about your classless post about whiners? Who's whining now about getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar?
you, mostly
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

Here's 50 bucks that says the Republican candidate in 2012 talks about change, and promises government transparency -- and breaks those promises.
 
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I find it very odd that you guys love to come down on Obama when he does the opposite of Bush, then criticize him for doing the same thing as Bush.

It's a fair criticism, but really, what do you want from the guy?

Allow some consistency from me... I was all over Bush for his gestapo like government. There are far too many things about Obama that make me want to call him Bush III.

Anyone that thinks Obama is a liberal, has no idea what an American liberal really is.... Yes, he is left of center, but he ain't no liberal. Than again, when you are on the extreme end of the wing you lose all depth perception when looking back across that wing. (Translation for our birther friends: every one to the left of you is a liberal)
 
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Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

Here's 50 bucks that says the Republican candidate in 2012 talks about change, and promises government transparency -- and breaks those promises.
now that would be a fool's wager
 
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Anyone that thinks Obama is a liberal, has no idea what an American liberal really is....

OK. What's a liberal/progressive these days? What do they stand for?
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

actually, i was referring to your post, where you term actions to have been "corrupt" despite the IG investigation finding that no illegality was evident:

i will now accept that you haven't any understanding of the word "corrupt", since you use it inappropriately


and now you prove to us that you similarly have no understanding of the word, "subvert"

the head of homeland security wants to monitor the nature of inquiries seeking to find out her movements. no way could al qaeda seek to use such insider information to harm a senior administration official in another strike finally, you got something right. the IG report concludes no illegal activities were found. if there is corruption then the IG would have also identified illegal activities

you, mostly

This of course needs POLITICAL oversight, doesn't it?
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

please explain for us how a matter investigated by the inspector general, where no illegal activities were found, is then temed "corrupt"

corrupt - Having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain,
Evil or morally depraved,
Debased or made unreliable by errors or alterations

None of the various definitions require something to be illegal in order for it to be corrupt.

Politicians get large contributions from individuals or companies that wish to influence them - this is corrupt even though it is not illegal.
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

This of course needs POLITICAL oversight, doesn't it?

don't find the head of the homeland security agency being aware of what is provided to someone inquiring about her movements is in any way inappropriate

if the heads of agencies during the dicknbush regime had been more attentive we may have been able to avert the 9/11 tragedy
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

please explain for us how a matter investigated by the inspector general, where no illegal activities were found, is then temed "corrupt"
AFAICT, "corrupt" isn't necessarily exclusively associated with illegal activity

Corrupt | Define Corrupt at Dictionary.com
–adjective
1.
guilty of dishonest practices, as bribery; lacking integrity; crooked: a corrupt judge.
2.
debased in character; depraved; perverted; wicked; evil: a corrupt society.
3.
made inferior by errors or alterations, as a text.
4.
infected; tainted.
5.
decayed; putrid.​
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

don't find the head of the homeland security agency being aware of what is provided to someone inquiring about her movements is in any way inappropriate

All of the FOIA requests reviewed by 0bama's political minions were about Janet Napolitano's movements? All of them?

if the heads of agencies during the dicknbush regime had been more attentive we may have been able to avert the 9/11 tragedy

Sure would have been nice to get OBL on one of the many chances we had to do so.
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

don't find the head of the homeland security agency being aware of what is provided to someone inquiring about her movements is in any way inappropriate
And it's not. But neither is it the objectionable part of the story.

Requests were being delayed to the point where the career employees of the DHS were worried about being sued. The cause of those delays was so that political operatives could scan and prepare for the implications of the release of documents before the general public. Further, even though these FOIA requests weren't technically awaiting these political operatives approval to be released, the documents could not be released until after these political operatives had done their business with the documents. So for practical purposes, the effect was nearly the same.

Second, items were redacted from these requested FOIA documents not because of national security concerns but because they were embarrassing to the Admin.

It was for these reasons and some closely related ones that there's been an objection. The objection is not to the "head of the homeland security agency being aware of what is provided."
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

don't find the head of the homeland security agency being aware of what is provided to someone inquiring about her movements is in any way inappropriate

few care what you do or don't find appropriate

the ig called out the politcal screening and insisted it must stop

if the heads of agencies during the dicknbush regime had been more attentive

grow up
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

don't find the head of the homeland security agency being aware of what is provided to someone inquiring about her movements is in any way inappropriate

if the heads of agencies during the dicknbush regime had been more attentive we may have been able to avert the 9/11 tragedy

How so?...............
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

if the heads of agencies during the dicknbush regime had been more attentive we may have been able to avert the 9/11 tragedy

It's amazing how quickly Republicans forget that 9/11 happened on Bush's watch. And when they are reminded of that inconvenient fact, they quickly shift the blame to Clinton. Then those same folks will blame Obama for the economy and completely ignore the role Bush played in the collapse.
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

OK. What's a liberal/progressive these days? What do they stand for?

Just examine all of the areas where the left is upset with Obama, beginning with healthcare reform.
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

It's amazing how quickly Republicans forget that 9/11 happened on Bush's watch. And when they are reminded of that inconvenient fact, they quickly shift the blame to Clinton.

Republicans have not forgotten. We have also not forgotten the many opportunities we lost to get OBL.

I do not blame Clinton for 9/11. I blame him for not recognizing the ongoing jihadi war for what it was and I also blame him for not fighting them.

If 9/11 had not happened and Bush failed to fight jihadis Republicans and Conservatives would have the same criticisms about him.

Then those same folks will blame Obama for the economy and completely ignore the role Bush played in the collapse.

This is 0bama's economy.

We blame Bush for being ineffective in stopping the meltdown in 2006-2007.

You lefties always ignore the good economy in Bush's early years and the disastrous economic policies of Pelosi & Co.
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

Just examine all of the areas where the left is upset with Obama, beginning with healthcare reform.

The left is upset with 0bama about 0bamacare? I remember a victory parade with lots of cheering lefties.

Why exactly are lefties upset with 0bamacare? Didn't hand out enough? Didn't raise enough taxes on the rich? It's not a complete takeover?

Just give me 5 positions lefties stand for. You didn't think I missed your dodge did you?
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

Republicans have not forgotten. We have also not forgotten the many opportunities we lost to get OBL.

I do not blame Clinton for 9/11. I blame him for not recognizing the ongoing jihadi war for what it was and I also blame him for not fighting them.

If 9/11 had not happened and Bush failed to fight jihadis Republicans and Conservatives would have the same criticisms about him.

History is always "convenient" for you Ron. Really convenient.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile_strikes_on_Afghanistan_and_Sudan_(August_1998)

The August 1998 bombings of Afghanistan and Sudan (codenamed Operation Infinite Reach by the United States) were American cruise missile strikes on terrorist bases in Afghanistan and a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan on August 20, 1998. The attack was in retaliation for the bombings of American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania which killed 224 people (including 12 Americans) and injured 5,000 others
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

History is always "convenient" for you Ron. Really convenient.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile_strikes_on_Afghanistan_and_Sudan_(August_1998)

The August 1998 bombings of Afghanistan and Sudan (codenamed Operation Infinite Reach by the United States) were American cruise missile strikes on terrorist bases in Afghanistan and a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan on August 20, 1998. The attack was in retaliation for the bombings of American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania which killed 224 people (including 12 Americans) and injured 5,000 others

You are kidding right ? Your not trying to use those failed bombings as a reason to say Clinton even tried to fight terrorism.

Under clintons watch the World Trade Center was attacked the first time by OBL and company, the cole where americans were murdered happened. The bombing of the barracks in Riad Saudi Arabia where two hundred marines were murdered. The list of attacks by terrorists during clintons watch is endless and his impotence is legendary.
I disagree with MARS, events leading up to 911 and the lack of any coherent plan to fight terrorism by clinton and the many unanswered attacks on us and our interests during his watch certainly set us up for 911.
Clinton was more worried about sneakin monica into his office and Kosovo than he was about american lives and terrorism
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

History is always "convenient" for you Ron. Really convenient.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile_strikes_on_Afghanistan_and_Sudan_(August_1998)

The August 1998 bombings of Afghanistan and Sudan (codenamed Operation Infinite Reach by the United States) were American cruise missile strikes on terrorist bases in Afghanistan and a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan on August 20, 1998. The attack was in retaliation for the bombings of American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania which killed 224 people (including 12 Americans) and injured 5,000 others
IIRC, the Sudan one was a real bust based on a test finding of trace amounts chemicals on the exterior grounds of the place. But the test couldn't distinguish between pesticide/herbicide and chemical weapons. Also the guy who we thought owned the place had actually sold it to someone else months before. Iirc, we quietly paid a settlement over that affair.
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

You are kidding right ? Your not trying to use those failed bombings as a reason to say Clinton even tried to fight terrorism.

Under clintons watch the World Trade Center was attacked the first time by OBL and company, the cole where americans were murdered happened. The bombing of the barracks in Riad Saudi Arabia where two hundred marines were murdered. The list of attacks by terrorists during clintons watch is endless and his impotence is legendary.
I disagree with MARS, events leading up to 911 and the lack of any coherent plan to fight terrorism by clinton and the many unanswered attacks on us and our interests during his watch certainly set us up for 911.
Clinton was more worried about sneakin monica into his office and Kosovo than he was about american lives and terrorism

So I'd assume if you're gonna say Clinton was weak and didn't do anything about terrorism...

The charge was that he did not fight them at all... that is incorrect.

That you'll also hold Reagan accountable for running from Lebanon after the 1983 Barracks Bombings?

Anything else you'd like to add?
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

History is always "convenient" for you Ron. Really convenient.

This is proof of Clinton's tough fighting?

We obviously have a different meaning of effective.

OBL understood what Clinton's retreat in Somalia and his ineffective missile strikes meant.
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

This is proof of Clinton's tough fighting?

We obviously have a different meaning of effective.

OBL understood what Clinton's retreat in Somalia and his ineffective missile strikes meant.

Retreat from Somalia.

lol gotta look at things so one dimensionally don't you?

Tell me.

Why were you in Somalia? And what would YOU have done to "win" and what does "winning" in Somalia mean to you?
 
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Retreat from Somalia.

lol gotta look at things so one dimensionally don't you?

Show your signature
Tell me.

Why were you in Somalia? And what would YOU have done to "win" and what does "winning" in Somalia mean to you?

I opposed the operations in Somalia because the political situation there is hopeless. It was a humanitarian mission to stop the killing and starvation of the Somali people by the likes of Mohamed Farrah Aidid. Nevertheless, Clinton decided to fight and turned tail and ran away after the Battle of the Black Sea.

OBL understood exactly what that meant. Clinton was a "paper tiger".
 
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