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Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland Sec

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Ron Mars said:
I thought you meant in the country today. My mistake if you didn't.
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Actually, I did. We've never hired a woman for the job, religion is apparently a valid consideration (just ask Obama or Mitt Romney or ask yourself how many Catholic Presidents we've had), and it's been a very very very long time since anything other than a machine candidate sat in the office.
 
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Ron Mars said:
That's all well and good.

Now about 0bama's open and transparent government? Any comment on that?
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This is open & transparent government. "Freedom of Information Act requests sent to the DHS were reviewed by Obama administration political appointees.."
 
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Ron Mars said:
So much for the hope and change.
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Indeed, Bush II ran this country into the ground. Obama promised change and didn't deliver. But what, exactly, was the alternative?
 
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the alternative?

he should have honored foia requests instead of stonewalling

he also shoulda put health care on cspan

he shouldn't have grandfathered the aig bonuses, he shouldn't have instructed aig to keep secrets from the sec, he should have given back the aig contributions

he shouldn't have done the secret deal with phrma, he shouldn't have taken all that bp money and then exempted the rig from impact studies

he should have been the president he promised he'd be

it all comes down to character

know the MAN
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
Actually, I did. We've never hired a woman for the job, religion is apparently a valid consideration (just ask Obama or Mitt Romney or ask yourself how many Catholic Presidents we've had), and it's been a very very very long time since anything other than a machine candidate sat in the office.
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Well then, if you meant in the country today I completely disagree.
 
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Guy Incognito said:
Indeed, Bush II ran this country into the ground.
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No he didn't. The economy was doing well under Bush for many years.

He was ineffective in stopping the meltdown and for that he deserves his share of criticism.

The house dems deserve quite a bit of blame themselves. Interesting that you left them out.

Guy Incognito said:
Obama promised change and didn't deliver. But what, exactly, was the alternative?
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0bama told people what he thought they wanted to hear. For many that was enough.

The alternative to a community organizer from Chicago was McCain.
 
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shintao said:
This is open & transparent government. "Freedom of Information Act requests sent to the DHS were reviewed by Obama administration political appointees.."
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why would you find it inappropriate for the head of a federal agency to want to be knowlesgable about sensitive FOIA requests and responses?
 
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If health care had been on CSPAN, would you have watched? Does CSPAN programming even fall under the auspices of the White House? For one thing, I have doubts about the President's ability to dictate CSPAN's programming. Secondly, that probably would have been the most boring programming in the history of CSPAN (which doesn't exactly have a reputation for being riveting or exciting).

It comes down to character -- he is a politician. Same as every other politician who's ever broken a promise (it's not like he invented that).
 
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"The House and Senate plan to put together the final health care reform bill behind closed doors according to an agreement by top Democrats," House Speaker Nanci Pelosi said today at the White House. The White House is on board with that, too, reports CBS News political correspondent Chip Reid.
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Obama Reneges on Health Care Transparency - CBS Evening News - CBS News
 
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Councilman said:
If this were President Bush the Lame Stream Obamedia would be on this like there was no tomorrow for the next 2 years, calling him names.
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Councilman said:
Why is it that President Bush's name comes up so damn much, and on subjects he has not one stinking thing to do with.
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Bringing the former president into the discussion on your first post was good.

Then bashing the folks that use the former President in their replies is priceless.

Keep up the fine work.


Edit to add a little video about stonewalling.
 
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Ron Mars said:
Well then, if you meant in the country today I completely disagree.
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By all means, feel free to disagree in the face of indisputable evidence. Knock yourself out. :lol:
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
By all means, feel free to disagree in the face of indisputable evidence. Knock yourself out. :lol:
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Indisputable evidence of what?

There were all kinds of people running for President in 2008.

Women, minorities, Mormons, Catholics etc.

Is that a race card in your sleeve?
 
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Ron Mars said:
Indisputable evidence of what?

There were all kinds of people running for President in 2008.

Women, minorities, Mormons, Catholics etc.

Is that a race card in your sleeve?
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Nope. Enjoy your cognitive dissonance.
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
Nope. Enjoy your cognitive dissonance.
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OK. No women or minorities were in the 2008 Presidential race.

It must have been the picture on my TV. I'll get it fixed.

"cognitive dissonance" .... otherwise know as common sense.
 
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Councilman said:
Obama declared a more open, & transparent Administration, but like so many of Obama's claims the facts don't match reality.

If this were President Bush the Lame Stream Obamedia would be on this like there was no tomorrow for the next 2 years, calling him names.
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Could you find a more biased source? Until then I think all liberals should treat this thread the same way conservatives treat media matters threads.
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roughdraft274 said:
Could you find a more biased source? Until then I think all liberals should treat this thread the same way conservatives treat media matters threads.
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House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform:"Why Isn't the Department of Homeland Security Meeting the President's Standard on FOIA?"

Chairman Issa Hearing Preview Statement

Thursday’s hearing of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, entitled “Why Isn’t the Department of Homeland Security Meeting the President’s Standard on FOIA,” will assess the disparity between DHS non-compliance with FOIA provisions and the Administration’s stated goals of openness and transparency.

On his first full day in office, President Obama outlined the critical role that FOIA plays in ensuring an open government. Moreover, Attorney General Eric Holder produced FOIA implementation guidelines based on a presumption of disclosure and designed to protect the American public from the politicization of transparency.

Now two full years into the Obama administration, Congressional investigators have uncovered evidence that career FOIA professionals at DHS have been compromised in their statutory compliance by the intrusion of DHS political staff into the department’s FOIA procedures.

Through the course of an eight-month investigation, the Committee has learned that political staff under DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano have corrupted the agency’s FOIA compliance procedures, exerted unlawful political pressure on FOIA compliance officers, and undermined the federal government’s accountability to the American people. These events have nurtured a fragile – and at times hostile – work environment that does not serve to fulfill the department’s primary mission to secure the nation from

A vast chasm has opened between assurances of transparency and accountability made by President Obama before and since his inauguration two years ago. It is the mission of the Oversight Committee to secure the American people’s right to know about how their government operates. This hearing is at the heart of the Oversight Committee’s solemn responsibility to hold government accountable to taxpayers and bring genuine reform to the federal bureaucracy.
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roughdraft274 said:
Could you find a more biased source? Until then I think all liberals should treat this thread the same way conservatives treat media matters threads.
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I have already provided a link or two from about a year ago when the AP broke the story. The link in the OP is just a congresscritter grandstanding and saying provocative things, but that doesn't mean that there's not an underlying cause for concern.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
Could you find a more biased source? Until then I think all liberals should treat this thread the same way conservatives treat media matters threads.
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So what exactly did the OP article get wrong?

0bama made the open and transparent promise.

To point out that he isn't living up to that promise seems reasonable to me.

Do you really expect the lefty media to objectively report this?
 
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Ron Mars said:
Do you really expect the lefty media to objectively report this?
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I am not sure who you put in your category "the lefty media", but the AP broke this story in 2010. This congressional investigation even used the AP's notes and FOIA documents.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
I am not sure who you put in your category "the lefty media", but the AP broke this story in 2010. This congressional investigation even used the AP's notes and FOIA documents.
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If AP did a good job reporting this hats of to them.

Where is the 24/7 coverage about this?
 
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Ron Mars said:
Where is the 24/7 coverage about this?
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24/7 coverage of a congressional report? Right. That's something we see everyday. I am sure it's being suppressed by the socialist, lame-stream media working for Our Dear Kenyan.
Or, perhaps the usual fanfare, parades and marching bands scheduled for releases of congressional reports were downsized for budget considerations.

The AP covered in July 2010, so any 24/7 coverage of the Obama Admin clumsily trying to be made aware of particular FOIA requests before the general public is in the past somewhere.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
I think all liberals should treat this thread the same way conservatives treat media matters threads.
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tell it to politico
 
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Ron Mars said:
If AP did a good job reporting this hats of to them
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They kinda broke the story and let everyone else, including Rep Issa, know about it. Is that a good job?
 
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Ron Mars said:
OK. No women or minorities were in the 2008 Presidential race.
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We didn't hire the woman, and prior to 2008 we didn't hire minorities for the job either.

If anybody can apply for the job but you only hire certain kinds of people and your parameters aren't matters of record, that's the definition of an unwritten policy.
 
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we hired him in 08

it's time to FIRE him
 
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