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Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland Sec

Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

thought this was another petty neocon whine about the Obama administration
and that's what it has turned out to be

Yeah. Those pesky promises 0bama made during the campaign. Who cares about that?


seems the DHS insiders have targeted papoi
maybe she is a bush holdover trying to embarrass the Obama administration
possibly, it was papoi's allegations which prompted the unusual review of how FOIA requests are administered
the investigation states that no illegal actions were found: [OP cite]
but that does not mean that politics are not being played within DHS
that needs to be further outed
is it Obama's people who are abusing their positions or is it the shrub's supporters trying to inflict political damage
or maybe both

Of course it's a Bush hold over.

There is no way it's a broken campaign promise by 0bama.

Couldn't be.
 
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What is it that you wanted, then? Whenever somebody says "That's politicians," you start accusing people of dodging the question


This statement is a crock!

"Oh my God, my lord and savior has been tarnished! I pledge myself to the teachings of my new savior, Mitt Romney.


That and watching Conservatives sum up what everybody who voted for Obama thought


We don’t have to guess. We know. Hope and change and anything but a Republican.


Did you listen to McCain during the campaign? His platform could be summed up in the words "4 more years."


Of course I did. I also listened to years of McCain trashing Bush every chance he got. Lefities were all to happy to give him a forum.

It wasn’t until he won the nomination that McCain was morphed into Bush.

Yet another lefty hoax.


Punked? By who, you? That's the most laughable thing I've ever heard. By Obama? No, I voted for a politician and it turns out he is one. Hardly a surprise. You may want to watch the next election. Usually the candidates are all politicians and you choose one.


If you believed 0bama’s rhetoric during the campaign and voted on the basis of what he said you were punked.

Unless of course you voted for 0bama because your driven 100% by politics and didn’t care what he said or his complete lack of experience.
 
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Unless of course you voted for 0bama because your driven 100% by politics and didn’t care what he said or his complete lack of experience.

People often cite "lack of experience".

Honestly, no one on this planet is "qualified" to be president of the most powerful country to ever exist on this earth (so far).

No president I believe was ever "qualified" for that kind of a position.

Some just did better at it then others, no presidency has ever been perfect.
 
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And where exactly are you from?

Just thought we could give your system of government a look see.

Your dodge has been noted.

Just sitting on the sidelines slinging mud I see.

Reminds me of the guy giving you crap because your football team lost when he doesn't have a team.

Nice dodge Jet.

All noble and just nations.

I don't pay close attention to the inner workings of other free and peaceful nations.

I have enough trouble keeping track of my own nation and reading about US history.

Did you hear that resounding THWACK echo across the landscape? That was the sound of my palm smacking into my forehead. It was a reflex response to the echoing depths of the fatuousness that you apparently felt the uncontrollable urge to bleed all over this thread.

Jet is a smart cookie who learns things and reads stuff and is perfectly capable of making intelligent observations about American politics without actually being an American. There are, in fact, a lot of people who are neither residents of the US nor US citizens who are familiar with the structure of our government, its laws, and its foibles. This is partly because we Americans tend to walk around acting as if our government is the only one worthy of discussion, and partly because America has its finger in a lot of pies. The fact that they are not Americans does not disqualify them in any way from contributing intelligently to a discussion of American politics, nor does it make their opinion any less valuable than yours.

I see that Jet opted to answer your question about where he's from, but the question itself was totally irrelevant. Asking it to begin with was a clear demonstration of the intelligence deficit disorder that I mentioned earlier. If Jet had been saying something like "my government rawks and your government suks har har har," then it would've been relevant. If Jet had demonstrated a clear ignorance of American politics, then it might've been relevant. He didn't do either, and simply said what I would've said if I'd gotten there first.

If that wasn't bad enough, as it turns out you didn't even care where Jet hails from. You were asking so that if he pointed out the irrelevance of your question you could jab him for "dodging." That was it. That was the only reason you asked. You might've been considering using his country of origin or residence as an excuse to tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about, but since he obviously does you were at least intelligent enough to avoid jamming your foot so far down your throat that you could stand on your ass.

It should humiliate you that you even vaguely considered playing the "foreigner" card in the same thread where you admit to not only total ignorance but also a total lack of interest in the political workings of other countries. I suppose it would, if you possessed the capacity for embarrassment. This most arrogant brand of cognitive dissonance is one of a list of things that makes me ashamed of my homeland.



Finally, for the record: I have no illusions that Jet needed or even wanted me to defend him. Like I said, he's a smart cookie. I just couldn't control myself. It seems to me that if I don't address this sort of stupidity where I find it, I'm tacitly supporting it -- which is why I haven't been around here as much, why a lot of other posters around here haven't been around as much, and why your brand of mental diarrhea is becoming the rule rather than the exception around here.
 
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The neocons are coming!!!

The neocons are coming!!!

Run for the hills!!!!

Thanks for the third party technique assistance!

Reimprintng my new word, Fox stylie!
 
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Of course I did. I also listened to years of McCain trashing Bush every chance he got. Lefities were all to happy to give him a forum.

It wasn’t until he won the nomination that McCain was morphed into Bush.

Yet another lefty hoax.

So it's a lefty hoax that McCain went from trashing Bush, to getting the nomination and becoming Bush? That's exactly what happened, and I didn't vote for him because I had no idea who he was anymore. From his campaign, I couldn't tell if that was John McCain or not. I gladly would have voted for McCain over Gore in 2000. By 2008, we had no idea who McCain was anymore, because suddenly he became a right wing radical. Why would I want to vote for someone who flip flopped so dramatically before he even took office?

That, in a nutshell, is why I voted for Obama. I quite simply had no idea who John McCain was anymore.

Lack of experience? Well, he'd been President of the United States for exactly as many years as anyone else on the ballot in 2008. How about that?
 
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Gotta love it when lifties try to sum up Conservatives beliefs. It's rather fun to watch.

Why is it that conservatives seem to immediately assume anyone who doesn't agree with them is a liberal? There's this little thing called a lean next to everyone's post.
 
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Because some people (not just conservatives) have a very black-and-white, short-sighted view of the world. To disagree with them is to be the polar opposite of them. If you list yourself as anything than "very liberal" and you disagree with such a conservative, or anything other than "very conservative" and disagree with such a liberal, it's because you're implicitly lying to the rest of the board. Some of them will make it their mission to expose your deception to the light of day, and some of them satisfy themselves with random snark discharges.

Think of it as the mental clap.
 
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Why is it that conservatives seem to immediately assume anyone who doesn't agree with them is a liberal? There's this little thing called a lean next to everyone's post.
--
It's the black vs. white worldview. "You're either with us, or you're against us." - GWB.

I'm used to it by now. I've actually been accused of being a member of Hamas because I don't see the issue in the Middle East as being "Israel = Saintly."
To be fair, Liberals do the same thing sometimes.

It's the pitfall of being a centrist, the extremists on both sides hate you. If you ask me, it's actually the biggest reason Jesse Ventura couldn't succeed as governor here in Minnesota. If the Democrats weren't trying to trap him, the Republicans were.
 
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People often cite "lack of experience".

Honestly, no one on this planet is "qualified" to be president of the most powerful country to ever exist on this earth (so far).

No president I believe was ever "qualified" for that kind of a position.

Some just did better at it then others, no presidency has ever been perfect.

I would agree to some extent jet. There are few positions that prepare a person to handle the job of POTUS.

However, here in the US the unwritten qualifications are generally some type of executive experience (mayor or governor), having been involved in running or owning a business, military service, and extensive involvement in politics to name a few.

0bama had none of those.
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

Speaking of unwritten qualifications, you forgot gender, skin color, religious affiliation, and loyalty to a party machine.
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

Speaking of unwritten qualifications, you forgot gender, skin color, religious affiliation, and loyalty to a party machine.

None of those apply but thanks for playing.
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

From the little I know, this sounds abhorrent.
I am glad that they stopped after the AP discovered it.

"The report also said that the secretary’s office stopped using e-mail in the second quarter of 2010, and instead contacted their career staff by phone."​

Playing politics with records requests - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com
7/21/2010
E-mails obtained by AP do not show political appointees at Homeland Security stopping records from coming out. Instead they point to acute political sensitivities that slowed the process, a probing curiosity about the people and organizations making the request for records, and considerable confusion.
Political staffers reviewed information requests submitted by reporters and other citizens as a way to anticipate troublesome scrutiny. Days after the nearly catastrophic Christmas Day bombing attempt aboard a Detroit-bound airliner, they asked whether news media or other organizations had filed records requests about the attack.
On another matter, one request sought data on expensive international travel by Homeland Security employees during the Bush administration. "Let's make sure we don't have a similar problem," Napolitano's chief of staff, Noah Kroloff, wrote in an e-mail in October to colleagues.
When the department released immigration records in September about Obama's father, Kroloff wrote: "We haven't released this yet have we? ... I'm hoping this was done in coordination with Sean (Smith), the WH and other relevant and interested parties."
The answer came from the general counsel's chief of staff, John Sandweg: "WH was made aware early and said treat it as normal."
The new review rule was so unclear to career Homeland Security employees that they sometimes weren't sure exactly which information requests the political staff was demanding to see: "I don't think they know what they want until they see it," Papoi confided to a colleague in an e-mail.​
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

Damn I thought this Thread was about failing to comply with FOIA requests...
Fwiw, afaict, they didn't fail to comply with requests so much as they merely delayed things a great deal sometimes in order that the WH et al could be aware of the contents before they were released.

Playing politics with records requests - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com
The special reviews at times delayed the release of information to Congress, watchdog groups and the news media for weeks beyond the usual wait, even though the directive specified the reviews should take no more than three days.
The foot-dragging reached a point that officials worried the department would get sued, one e-mail shows.
"We need to make sure that we flip these ASAP so we can eliminate any lag in getting the responses to the requesters," the agency's director of disclosure, Catherine Papoi, wrote to two of Napolitano's staffers. "Under the statute, the requester now has the right to allege constructive denial and take us to court. Please advise soonest."​
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

maybe she is a bush holdover trying to embarrass the Obama administration
I think she is a career employee
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

the ig found the political screening of foia requests at the cabinet level UNPRECEDENTED

and the screens, it appears, were not mere window dressing

The House investigation further found “original versions of documents that were heavily redacted before being released to the Associated Press show the Office of General Counsel relied on exception – normally meant to protect pre-decisional records – to prevent the release of embarrassing records.”

The report also said that the secretary’s office stopped using e-mail in the second quarter of 2010, and instead contacted their career staff by phone.

The report from DHS Acting Inspector General Charles Edwards did not allege corruption, but did say the department must make changes.

“We also determined that the Office of the Secretary has had unprecedented involvement in the Freedom of Information Act process beginning in 2009,” the IG report said. “For several hundred requests deemed significant, components were required to provide for headquarters review all materials they intended to release.”

The IG report also says, “Potentially embarrassing wording was redacted in other cases as well. In November 2009, a senior DHS official suggested limitations on the release of particular requests that a component was processing.”

Investigations Find 'Unprecedented' Political Review

just this week bernanke was forced by foia to make public, after two years of stonewalling, the list of foreign banks in receipt of TRILLIONS of tarp

the white house, after postponing the ceremony, finally accepted its TRANSPARENCY award in PRIVATE

and this, dhs' POLITICAL attempts to frustrate FREEDOM OF INFO

it all comes down to character

know the MAN
 
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Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

fannie and freddie were placed under federal receivership. they were no longer privately owned and operated enterprises. the government assumed responsibility for operating them. what specific reforms would have been necessary once the federal government took over?
tell us what they might be
 
Re: Investigations Find ‘Unprecedented’ Political Review of FOIA Requests by Homeland

Sure they do, just check this nation's record when it comes to Presidents.

I thought you meant in the country today. My mistake if you didn't.
 
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Homeland Security is fairly new so there isn't much of a precedent. And call me a cynic if you want but I didn't think all but one of the women accusing President Clinton of sexual assault or harrassment being audited by the IRS was a coincidence. And, I remember the little nitwit who was the head of White House security under the Clintons who illegally accessed thousands of FBI files to enter into a Democrat database. I remember President Johnson listened to tapes made illegally by the FBI of Rev. Martin Luther King. And don't forget our esteemed president who said that they reward their friends and punish their enemies. Of course, he wasn't talking about foreigners. He feels his enemies are closer to home.

So, is this unprecedented?
 
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