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President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

Jetboogieman said:
I'm not interested in your partisan Hackery today American.
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Oh, so you admit that the Dems call for a DoW during the Bush years was pure partisan hackery, and hypocracy now. I agree.
 
Ron Mars said:
0bama was trying to protect the lives of the CIA guys on the ground IMO. I don't fault him for not telling us.
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Excuse me?

This is kind of getting into to my definition of an CIA Operator. You need to be able to do it all because you just never know. Its a tool box thing The true Operator is like a Master Carpenter. If its got to do with killing BGs, he's got knowledge of it in his box - H2H, urban, rural, CQB, SUT. There's no such thing, IMO, as an "Urban Operator" or a "Rural Operator" - there is only Operator.

Don't kid yourself, Ron. There are US troops on the ground in Libya. Obama is bull****ting the American public
 
ric27 said:
Excuse me?

This is kind of getting into to my definition of an CIA Operator. You need to be able to do it all because you just never know. Its a tool box thing The true Operator is like a Master Carpenter. If its got to do with killing BGs, he's got knowledge of it in his box - H2H, urban, rural, CQB, SUT. There's no such thing, IMO, as an "Urban Operator" or a "Rural Operator" - there is only Operator.

Don't kid yourself, Ron. There are US troops on the ground in Libya. Obama is bull****ting the American public
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When the American people thinking of boots on the ground, I doubt they count CIA and spec ops folks.
 
ric27 said:
Don't kid yourself, Ron. There are US troops on the ground in Libya. Obama is bull****ting the American public
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And if SF units are on the ground in Libya today that information should not be made public for their safety.

After the operation is over, one way or the other, is the time to disclose exactly what happened and who was involved.

Obama witheld this info to protect their lives and their mission. It's the right thing to do.

It may also be possible that public disclosure was not made as a concession to the Arab states.
 
Ron Mars said:
And if SF units are on the ground in Libya today that information should not be made public for their safety.

After the operation is over, one way or the other, is the time to disclose exactly what happened and who was involved.

Obama witheld this info to protect their lives and their mission. It's the right thing to do.

It may also be possible that public disclosure was not made as a concession to the Arab states.
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Do you think a modern democracy is compatible with Islam and their way of thinking?? Or even a Western neutral democracy....
 
ric27 said:
Excuse me?

This is kind of getting into to my definition of an CIA Operator. You need to be able to do it all because you just never know. Its a tool box thing The true Operator is like a Master Carpenter. If its got to do with killing BGs, he's got knowledge of it in his box - H2H, urban, rural, CQB, SUT. There's no such thing, IMO, as an "Urban Operator" or a "Rural Operator" - there is only Operator.

Don't kid yourself, Ron. There are US troops on the ground in Libya. Obama is bull****ting the American public
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Oh, my. Look at all those mallets chipping away. Mallets operated by a sea of the blind.
 
ric27 said:
Do you think a modern democracy is compatible with Islam and their way of thinking?? Or even a Western neutral democracy....
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Yes, I believe that a form of democratic government will work in ME countries.

IMO that's what they are protesting and fighting for today. Self-determination.
 
American said:
Oh, so you admit that the Dems call for a DoW during the Bush years was pure partisan hackery, and hypocracy now. I agree.
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I certainly wouldn't. I realize many have trouble recognizing differences, but Bush invaded another country overthrowing the government and occupying the country and doing so not only without a declaration of war, but without even a UN mandate to do so. The differences are important. It is dishonest to act like different things are the same thing.
 
just some of the incoherencies inherent in this madcap "mission:"

1. days, not weeks---that's what obama promised on march 18, he LIED

2. the goal as stated---to protect civilian lives in libya---is fundamentally IMPOSSIBLE without regime change

3. the equation of united states national security interests with kumbaya concerns such as protecting the un's credibility, maintaining some hastily improvised coalition or hopes for some humanitarian outcome

4. nato is gonna do all the work, NOT us

5. the investment of our aspirations in a rabble of rebels who resemble, more than anything else, the paris mobs of 1789, 1848, 1870...

6. meanwhile, our REAL national interests---the GULF and ISRAEL---go completely neglected

obama and his coalition partners have NO CLUE what they've bought themselves, either an abject surrender or the longterm commitment of this country to NATION BUILDING in libya

war is serious business, THIS white house is exactly the wrong collection of keystone klutzes to be waging it

pray
 
Boo Radley said:
I certainly wouldn't. I realize many have trouble recognizing differences, but Bush invaded another country overthrowing the government and occupying the country and doing so not only without a declaration of war, but without even a UN mandate to do so. The differences are important. It is dishonest to act like different things are the same thing.
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He had Congressional approval and two UN resolutions, prior to doing anything. What does Obama have? ZERO
 
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For those who still disagree with Pres. Obama's decision to get involved in Libya, I urge you to watch this interview on Meet the Press from yesterday (4/3/11) between David Gregory and Mike Rogers (R-MI), Chairman, House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. It may change your opinion on the matter especially coming from a Republican Intelligence Chairman w/military experience.

There are also other Republican commentators from yesterday's MTP segment who also agree with the President's actions.
 
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American said:
He had Congressional approval and two UN resolutions, prior to doing anything. What does Obama have? ZERO
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You're wrong here.

Pres. Obama had 3 U.N. resolutions...

Objective Voice said:
For those interested, I found all three UN resolutions concerning recent events in Libya.

U.N. Resolution 1970 (2011) - imposes sanctions against Libya.

U.N. Resolution 1971 (2011) - imposes no-fly zone

U.N. Resolution 1973 (2011) - strengthens arms embargo already in force under UNR 1970
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...AND informed the Speaker of the House and the President Pro Temp via letter of his intentions within the prerequisite timeframe according to Section 5(a) of the War Powers Act.
 
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There are also other Republican commentators from yesterday's MTP segment who also agree with the President's actions.
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rogers and mccain, et al, are wrong

libya, lamentably, is a loser

nation building, anyone?
 
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