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kill team used body parts in poker games

apdst said:
Oh? Care to cite the regulation that forbids such actions?

How much you wanna bet that you can't?

AND. regulation forbidding such actions, or not, I'll bet that it's not a courts martial offense.
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I said where I read it... it's in the Rolling Stone article...
 
You really think it's completely legal for soldiers to take photos of dead bodies in the military and trade them??
 
apdst said:
Let's discuss it in the thread concerning the actual killings. How's that sound? Rather than further demonizing American service members.
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Where did I demonsize service members? Some of my family members are service members, so you're being a total hack and making assumptions.
 
SheWolf said:
You really think it's completely legal for soldiers to take photos of dead bodies in the military and trade them??
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I'm not saying that is it. I'm challenging you to show me where it isn't. Can you?

If you can, I'll recant. If you can't, then well...you know...
 
SheWolf said:
Where did I demonsize service members? Some of my family members are service members, so you're being a total hack and making assumptions.
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You started this thread; didn't you?
 
haymarket said:
and some still wonder why we have the reputation overseas as the Ugly American?

thank you for illustrating the concept perfectly.
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Some people think that having these conversations is taboo... What should we do instead, cover up these crimes for people like apdst?

**** that! The rest of us want to clean house and make sure the armed forces act with honor, not like mini Qaddafi loyalists...
 
apdst said:
You started this thread; didn't you?
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You're being completely unreasonable.. I didn't dishonor the troops, these men in uniform did.
 
SheWolf said:
You're being completely unreasonable.. I didn't dishonor the troops, these men in uniform did.
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And, you're taking advantage of it, to do the same.
 
apdst said:
If that were the case, you would restrict your posts to the thread actually about the killings, vice the thread about the taking of body parts as trophies.



Granted, I've been out of the service for 10 years, but I don't recall that regulation. Even if such a regulation exists, it probably isn't a court martial offense.
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This is what I could find: Army General Order 1B (I'm not sure of the Corps has similar regs, but it's likely)

http://www.tac.usace.army.mil/deploymentcenter/tac_docs/GO-1B%20Policy.pdf

Edit: It is a CentCom DOD directive, not just Army.
 
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apdst said:
And, you're taking advantage of it, to do the same.
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I am trying to understand and discuss what happened to these kids and how it happened... read my OP. I was asking for opinions, not making accusations.
 
apdst said:
I'm not saying that is it. I'm challenging you to show me where it isn't. Can you?

If you can, I'll recant. If you can't, then well...you know...
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It's in the rolling stone article and it's nearly 8 pages long...
 
SheWolf said:
:roll:

I am trying to understand and discuss what happened to these kids and how it happened... read my OP. I was asking for opinions, not making accusations.
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Whatever happened to them, happened before they got there.
 
SheWolf said:
It's in the rolling stone article and it's nearly 8 pages long...
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But, can you show me? Sorry, but an article from ****ing Rolling Stone isn't going to convince me.
 
apdst said:
I don't know if it's your cocked up link, or the **** that my ol' lady down loaded on my wagon, but I can't open that. Care to c/p a little something for us?
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I'll have to type it out:

Individual War Souvenirs may only be acquired if specifically authorized by USCENTCOM. Absent such express authorization, no weapon, munitions, or military article of equipment obtained or acquired by any means other than official issue may be retained for personal use or shipped out of the USCENTCOM AOR for personal retention.
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Human remains fall under war trophy/souvenirs.
 
GUIDE NOTE: The below story is from the Marine Corps News Service, but War Trophy Guidance is derived from DOD Directives and apply to all of the services.

Some war trophies are downright sadistic - for example, enemy teeth or body parts. Needless to say, they're banned by military law.
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War Trophies

You really think taking photos of dead bodies and human remains is acceptable by law??? The military confiscated the photos before it was a murder investigation, and before they knew the people were murdered.

They had a video clip called "motorcycle kill" and they claimed they were killing members of the Taliban. It didn't matter if the were Taliban or not, the military took the videos and photos and told them to stop trading them...
 
StillBallin75 said:
I'll have to type it out:

Individual War Souvenirs may only be acquired if specifically authorized by USCENTCOM.
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Human remains fall under war trophy/souvenirs.
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Ohhhhh, I see! That regulation. Ok, well, that regulation pertains to, "souvenirs", that are being sent home and not specifically to souvenirs that are taken, then left in country. Wanna try again, to show us where the taking of souvenirs is illegal?
 
Wheres all the protesters ? wheres codepink? wheres all the protesters that camped outside of Camp David...WHERE IS CINDY SHEEHAN....where are all the protesters that had their panties all bunched over Abu Grahib and the GIs making them pose naked...where are they all now ? Ill tell ya where they are nowhere to be found...they have no principles, they have no integrity they got nothing....they have exposed what they really are to the entire world...PHONIES...utter total phonies...
 
SheWolf said:
War Trophies

You really think taking photos of dead bodies and human remains is acceptable by law??? The military confiscated the photos before it was a murder investigation, and before they knew the people were murdered.

They had a video clip called "motorcycle kill" and they claimed they were killing members of the Taliban. It didn't matter if the were Taliban or not, the military took the videos and photos and told them to stop trading them...
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Care to show me the text from an actual regulation that proves that the taking of body parts as trophies and are left in country upon DEROS is illegal? Or, are you just going to keep spouting crap?

BTW, do you even know what DEROS stands for? Without googling it, I mean. Prolly not, huh?
 
apdst said:
So, to prove me wrong, you're going to post a link to a Rolling Stone article? :lamo
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It details the laws they broke and quotes members of the military...
 
apdst said:
Ohhhhh, I see! That regulation. Ok, well, that regulation pertains to, "souvenirs", that are being sent home and not specifically to souvenirs that are taken, then left in country. Wanna try again, to show us where the taking of souvenirs is illegal?
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The order makes no mention of transporting souvenirs across international boundaries. It clearly uses the word "acquire," which means they shouldn't be having them, period.

Also, SSgt. Gibbs is being charged with possession of mutilated body parts taken from his kills, which clearly wouldn't be possible unless it was a criminal offense.

In addition, Federal Law governs military law (in other words, the UCMJ is part of the US Code). It is a federal offense to be in possession of human remains, and this also applies to military personnel.
 
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SheWolf said:
It details the laws they broke and quotes members of the military...
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And it's still just an article from ****ing Rolling Stone. Do they cite any sources? 'Cuz, if not, it nothing more than an op-ed.
 
apdst said:
Care to show me the text from an actual regulation that proves that the taking of body parts as trophies and are left in country upon DEROS is illegal? Or, are you just going to keep spouting crap?

BTW, do you even know what DEROS stands for? Without googling it, I mean. Prolly not, huh?
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No I don't, but you asked me to show you why I said what I did... I gave you two sources and you're not happy... I am not spouting off a bunch of crap. So far, you're the only spouting off a bunch of bull****, saying I hate the troops, and now you're sending me a chase. If you have a point to make then make it... prove me wrong. You think you know so much more than I. You're claiming you can take photos of war casualties and trade them inside the military, then back your bull**** up because I am done sending you links. You were in the military, and you claim superior knowledge, then go ahead and prove yourself.
 
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